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Re: AR23 Transportation
« Reply #75 on: June 19, 2013, 09:04:28 AM »
And consolidating the options we found from Santiago to Lisbon on 14 Jun, adding in a few of my own, and ordering it according to best routings. Note that the Buenos Aires-London route was only the sixth best option of the day, and not even the one that left latest too!

ITINERARY #1
JJ 8049 from Santiago to Rio de Janeiro, 0715-1237
TP 78 from Rio de Janeiro to Lisbon, 1705-0640

ITINERARY #2
JJ 8029 from Santiago to Sao Paulo, 0650-1140
TP 86 from Sao Paulo to Lisbon, 1710-0700

ITINERARY #3
H2 501 from Santiago to Buenos Aires, 0730-1035
UX 42 from Buenos Aires to Madrid, 1210-0530
P6 1151 from Madrid to Lisbon, 0640-0700

ITINERARY #4
IB 6830 from Santiago to Madrid, 1120-0623
TP 1023 from Madrid to Lisbon, 0735-0750

ITINERARY #5
LA 455 from Santiago to Buenos Aires, 0830-1135
IB 6842 from Buenos Aires to Madrid, 1325-0620
TP 1023 from Madrid to Lisbon, 0735-0750

ITINERARY #6
LA 455 from Santiago to Buenos Aires, 0830-1135
BA 244 from Buenos Aires to London, 1300-0620
BA 500 from London to Lisbon, 0735-1015

There is an obscure itinerary that me on the show would have found, but requires a domestic transit in Brazil (visas might be a problem):
JJ 8029 from Santiago to Sao Paulo, 0650-1140 (actual arrival 1249)
JJ 3360 from Sao Paulo to Belo Horizonte, 1255-1419
TP 56 from Belo Horizonte to Lisbon, 1640-0555
Would have missed the connection in Sao Paulo though due to flight delays, so I would have had to fly to Rio to continue with Itinerary #1.
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Re: AR23 Transportation
« Reply #76 on: June 19, 2013, 02:41:51 PM »
Neobie,

Did you check through Recife? Lots of flights there to/from Europe. They might be all charters though.
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Re: AR23 Transportation
« Reply #77 on: June 19, 2013, 02:44:44 PM »
Neobie,

Did you check through Recife? Lots of flights there to/from Europe. They might be all charters though.

There were sightings of teams in Buenos Aires.
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Re: AR23 Transportation
« Reply #78 on: June 19, 2013, 02:53:42 PM »
What we have is TARChile pictures of some of the teams waiting for boarding the LAN flight to Buenos Aires:

At around 4:00 AM on Friday, June 14, I ran into the what I think was the Amazing Race at the Santiago airport. A friend and I went over to talk to them and asked what they were doing. They said they were filming a travel documentary about going places, but that just seemed like a cover story - some of the contestants were clearly uncomfortable talking about it. They said they didn't know where they were going next, but I later found a few contestants sitting at a gate for a flight to Buenos Aires, Argentina.
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Re: AR23 Transportation
« Reply #79 on: June 19, 2013, 07:17:09 PM »
There are also flights from Santiago to Buenos Aires 6:55am to 10am on 6-14
From Buenos Aires to London 1pm to 6 am now 6/15
From London to Lisbon 8am to 11am.
Must be what cheerleaders and Afghanimals were on.
There were also good connections through Sao Paulo for the rest, through Madrid,


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Re: AR23 Transportation
« Reply #80 on: June 19, 2013, 10:33:59 PM »
I have CouchRacer's flight listed as Option 6. It's just not as early a flight I assumed teams would get on if they arrived at the airport at 4am. Sold out flights, I guess.

Recife flights to Europe aren't showing up on our usual database, I only see a flight to Frankfurt and to Lisbon, but both arrive later than our six options here. Plus it's going to be hard getting to Recife without first going through Sao Paulo or Rio de Janeiro, and as I understand Americans might have problems getting visas (even for transit) for the domestic leg of the journey.
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Re: AR23 Transportation
« Reply #81 on: June 20, 2013, 01:56:12 AM »
Thanks Neobie!

I am traveling and on my semi-literate phone. I can't research the flights on it.

I saw where you found the BH connection and Recife came to mind. As I said, lots of European flight into Recife and Forteleza, I suspect they are mostly charters and during European winter.
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Re: AR23 Transportation
« Reply #82 on: June 21, 2013, 05:41:25 AM »
Teams were seen before 10.30am (Vienna time) at Schonbrunn Palace today (21 Jun 2013).

Assuming they left Gdansk this morning, there is only one possibility:
K2 3828 from Gdansk to Warsaw, 0525-0625
LO 223 from Warsaw to Vienna, 0750-0915

I thought flying to Munich and taking a train would be possible, but they can't get there by 10.30am.

Later flights for later teams:
CL 1649 from Gdansk to Munich, 0640-0815
VO 118 from Munich to Vienna, 0920-1025
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SK 1758 from Gdansk to Copenhagen, 0610-0710
HG 8017 from Copenhagen to Vienna, 0855-1030
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K2 3828 from Gdansk to Warsaw, 0525-0625 (same as earliest itinerary)
VO 626 from Warsaw to Vienna, 1035-1155 (if earlier flight is full)
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LO 359 from Gdansk to Frankfurt, 0815-1000
VO 122 from Frankfurt to Vienna, 1040-1205
LH 1238 from Frankfurt to Vienna, 1240-1400
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AB 8481 from Gdansk to Berlin, 1055-1155
AB 8268 from Berlin to Vienna, 1250-1405
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Re: AR23 Transportation
« Reply #83 on: June 21, 2013, 06:03:02 AM »
There's a possibility of teams taking a train overnight (more than overnight, actually) from Gdansk via Warsaw to Vienna:
Train from Gdansk to Warsaw: 1448-2000
Train from Warsaw to Vienna: 2059-0632
Just that one train though.

No matter if they flew or took a train, Brunettes and Tim/Marie-Pink-Hair are in the lead (or everyone is bunched up).
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Re: AR23 Transportation
« Reply #84 on: June 21, 2013, 01:07:09 PM »
Neobie, don't forget that the pit stop could be of any length or no rest at all, or the train could be a "rolling pit stop" to get teams to Vienna in time this morning. Do the flights and alternatives you list include those possibilities as to when teams might have left Gdansk?
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Re: AR23 Transportation
« Reply #85 on: June 21, 2013, 01:14:06 PM »
I can see them getting there by train because from reports at the Pit Stop in Sopot, Phil was seen at the mat at around 3:30pm Polish time on Wednesday. That would give a lot of time for teams to take the train the next day (Thursday) and get to Vienna today. But I don't know. Just speculating.
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Re: AR23 Transportation
« Reply #86 on: June 21, 2013, 01:58:31 PM »
Gdansk -Vienna 12:48. possible, flying faster.

http://www.rome2rio.com/s/Gda%C5%84sk/Vienna
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Re: AR23 Transportation
« Reply #87 on: June 21, 2013, 08:51:41 PM »
Hmmm. Just playing around here with flights.

But I could take any number of flight combos departing Vienna Sat anytime from 9:55 AM to 2:225 Pm and arrive Katmandu the following AM between 825 and 905 AM. :neener:

Flight Play  >>change to show by arrival.
 
Then again, I could depart Vienna at 1025AM and be in Tel Aviv nonstop by 250PM too. :lol:
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Re: AR23 Transportation
« Reply #88 on: June 21, 2013, 10:31:57 PM »
WARNING - SPEC

Other interesting options:

Ethiopia
- LH 1247 VIE FRA 620 745
  LH 598  FRA ADD 1115 2045
- TK 1884 VIE IST 1035 1350 or TK 1886 VIE IST 1425 1735
  TK 676  IST ADD 1850 0015 (+1)
- OS 125  VIE FRA 1740 1915
  ET 707  FRA ADD 2005 0615 (+1)
- AZ 191  VIE FCO 1835 2010
  ET 703  FCO ADD 2340 0640 (+1)

Note that sunset is around 1830 in ADD so teams would be arriving in darkness regardless. Maybe a spot for a charter flight (to Gondar  :colors) or an HoO bunch?

Incidentally, if the teams were early enough checking in and Phil and production hauled ass, they could leave tonight (6/21) on
LH 1243 VIE FRA 1920 2050
ET 707  FRA ADD 2205 0615 (+1)
and have most of the day to do standups.


Jordan
- OS 853 VIE AMM 1010 1445 (which would probably be a good flight for Phil and production)

Beyond that there are several batches of flights; these are just guidelines and for each flight there's several others that depart and arrive within an hour of it.

- HG 8466 VIE FCO 1045 1215
  RJ 102   FCO AMM 1500 1930
- OS 821 VIE IST 1325 1645
  RJ 168  IST AMM 2035 2250
- RO 344 VIE OTP 1800 2030
  RO 187 OTP AMM 2305 0145 (+1)

Note that sunset is around 745 in AMM, so teams would be racing around in darkness. They could squeeze out a nighttime leg here, have some sort of HoO bunch or have chartered transportation (to Petra maybe  :colors)

Mauritius (aka we may as well use these HD cameras to get people in swimsuits)

Phil + production can leave tonight on

EK 126    VIE DXB  2240 0620 (+1)
EK 3703  DXB MRU 1015 1650 (both +1)

while teams can be forced tomorrow onto

EK 128 VIE DXB 1530 2055
EK 701 DXB MUR 0305 0935 (both +1)

With sunset at 1740, teams should have enough time for a drive around the island
 
Cyprus (either your swimsuit leg or your 'watch people enjoy alcohol' leg)

Again, if Phil can leave early enough, he can leave tonight on

OS 835 VIE LCA 2035 0040 (+1)

while teams can enjoy the morning tomorrow in Vienna before departing on one of
- OS 831 VIE LCA 1030 1435
- OS 809 VIE SKG 0945 1230
  CY 427 SKG LCA 1440 1635
- A3 881 VIE ATH 1055 1410
  A3 906 ATH LCA 1545 1725
- CY 373 VIE LCA 1450 1855

Note that sunset in Cyprus is around 2000 so depending on which flight they're forced onto, they can either enjoy a sunny beach leg or a nighttime leg with the possibility of drunken hooligans laughing at them attempting a task.

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I think the best combination of interesting (ie different) location and maximization of time for both production and racers is Jordan, ideally Petra, but then again I wouldn't have chosen to go to Chile of all places in South America so what do I know?

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Re: AR23 Transportation
« Reply #89 on: June 22, 2013, 01:19:11 AM »
Petra LOVE!!
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Re: AR23 Transportation
« Reply #90 on: June 22, 2013, 07:52:29 AM »
Local time at Vienna when the Baseball wives team sighted approx.12.00PM

Qatar Airways schedule of Departure from VIE today ranged from 10.00AM - 4.00PM :





Gosh..there are so many connecting points at Doha and Dubai...
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Re: AR23 Transportation
« Reply #91 on: June 22, 2013, 08:01:26 AM »
Qantas is not Qatar. :)

So we're looking at QR 96 from Vienna to Doha, 1555-2215.

Which actually narrows things down a bit, if we assume that teams can get to their destination through Doha faster rather than through Dubai. There are a few flights today from Vienna to Dubai, so the chances of selling out are lower. Presumably they're not connecting to fly back to Europe, and presumably they're not going to Saudi Arabia or Iran (problematic for female racers)...

Looking pretty
Mahe, Seychelles
Colombo
Kathmandu
Kozhikode, Kerala

Less likely
Doha (night arrival)
Bahrain (night arrival)
Melbourne (too far a jump)
Jakarta (too much Indonesia recently)
Ho Chi Minh City (visited last season)
Baghdad
Benghazi
Erbil


Cities faster through Vienna-Dubai flight
Dubai, Abu Dhabi, Ras al-Khaymah, Sharjah, Kuwait
Nairobi, Khartoum, Lagos, Entebbe
Male, Delhi, Karachi, Peshawar, Dhaka, Lahore
Osaka, Tokyo, Kuala Lumpur, Singapore, Guangzhou, Beijing, Perth

Cities faster through other flights
Casablanca, Cairo, Istanbul, Algiers, Ankara, Tunis, Tripoli, Johannesburg, Dar es Salaam
Moscow, Amman, Baku, Muscat, Beirut
Hong Kong, Manila, Seoul, Bangkok, Shanghai
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Re: AR23 Transportation
« Reply #92 on: June 22, 2013, 08:33:18 AM »
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Re: AR23 Transportation
« Reply #93 on: June 22, 2013, 09:50:52 PM »
Just an idea from my tired brain.....does anyone have access to the information about where teams have used Doha in the past as a connection to elsewhere?

That might be a better way of narrowing down the possible location of the next leg.
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Re: AR23 Transportation
« Reply #94 on: June 22, 2013, 10:42:05 PM »
I think Charla & Mirna went through Doha to Dubai in S5. Not sure though.
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Re: AR23 Transportation
« Reply #95 on: June 22, 2013, 10:47:05 PM »
Or just check the flight connections Neobie outlined, lol.
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Re: AR23 Transportation
« Reply #96 on: June 23, 2013, 12:55:54 AM »
I think Charla & Mirna went through Doha to Dubai in S5. Not sure though.

Nah  :( They and Linda & Karen went through Bahrain and Dubai. The other teams went through Bahrain and Abu Dhabi.

I don't know about S1, S2, and S4, but:
In S9, BJ & Tyler went through Doha going to Muscat, Oman from Athens while the rest were on a direct flight.
In S17, Qatar Airlines were used by Jill & Thomas going from Oman to Dhaka, Bangladesh. The flight connections going to and leaving Muscat were scarcely shown on TV.  :(

It seems that Qatar Airlines and Doha are connected with Muscat .... thoughts?
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Re: AR23 Transportation
« Reply #97 on: June 23, 2013, 04:12:20 AM »
It's possible, but there's a faster flight from Vienna to Muscat via Istanbul-Bahrain, arriving about two hours earlier. Of course, it's possible the Brunettes didn't know about the flight or that it's sold out, so here's my second consideration:

Releasing the teams so they arrive at Vienna Airport at this time means they'd arrive in Muscat between 2-4am. This means bunching when they get to Oman. Why not release them later, so they can take a Dubai flight (amongst other options), leaving Vienna at 10.40pm and arriving the next morning at 9.30am, eliminating the need for an Hours of Operation bunching? TPTB hasn't liked doing that in recent seasons.

By contrast, flying to South-Asia/the-Indian-Ocean-islands gives us nice morning arrival times for a leg:
Seychelles at 6.30am, Colombo at 8.20am, Kathmandu at 8.35am...
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Re: AR23 Transportation
« Reply #98 on: June 24, 2013, 09:58:05 AM »
Total Spec, but possibe.

QR 096  Vienna (VIE) 15:55   Doha (DOH) 22:15

QR 352  Doha (DOH) 01:10 +1 day(s)   Kathmandu (KTM) 08:35 +1 day(s)

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Re: AR23 Transportation
« Reply #99 on: June 24, 2013, 10:05:02 AM »
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I'm bored. Anyone wants to play Find Snowden?

SU 213 from Hong Kong to Moscow SVO, 23/1055-23/1705
Was not on flight: SU 150 from Moscow SVO to Havana, 24/1405-24/1845

Assume he's going to avoid the EU/US/Israel, and is trying to get to Ecuador?
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