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Re: AR23 Transportation
« Reply #50 on: June 16, 2013, 12:55:05 AM »
My guess based upon prior seasons is that if teams flew out of Santiago, they used one of those cities as a connection and not as the destination. It's hard to be sure because the show has used long-distance self-driving into Argentina a couple of times after visiting Chile, and that also is a possibility.

I do know Bert loves filming in the Andes, and took teams to southern Argentina in several Races because of the absolutely scenic nature of the Andes as a backdrop.

IIRC, Sao Paulo seems to be the big connection point for the airlines for international travel whether to the Americas, Europe, Africa, Oceania, or Asia. I haven't done any searching, just pointing out what options have been used in the past. In fact, when teams last flew out of South America (Peru) they connected in Santiago to fly across the south Pacific. So I have no idea what's more probable at this point, unlike last season where Bora Bora was a big clue that gave us leads to several later legs. (We were doing fine until they went to Europe rather than South America last time.)
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Re: AR23 Transportation
« Reply #51 on: June 16, 2013, 03:05:12 AM »
As dpe stated, Iberia airlines have flights between Santiago and Madrid, with a plausible 13 hours of flight time. LAN Airlines has also flights between these said flight cities as well.

Here's the best flight from Santiago to Lisbon (Leg 3 might started on June 14th and ended on 15th):

IB6830 (SCL-MAD), 1118-0623+1 (scheduled 1120-0620+1)
TP1023 (MAD-LIS), 0740+1-0748+1 (scheduled 0735+1-0750+1)
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Re: AR23 Transportation
« Reply #52 on: June 16, 2013, 03:34:59 AM »
Well there could also be TAP and TAM connections via SP and Rio. Also the possibility, similar to last race on Botswana to Suisse.

Phil could take a very direct route and teams could be directed to a more obtuse route.
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Re: AR23 Transportation
« Reply #53 on: June 16, 2013, 09:08:42 AM »
I don't really think they departed from Santiago , since Leg3 must have been outside Chile.
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Re: AR23 Transportation
« Reply #54 on: June 16, 2013, 09:16:19 AM »
A viable connection in London to match the poster being in London a few days back would be

Buenos Aires to London

BA244 1300-0620+1 (actual 1309-0613+1)

and London to Lisbon

BA500 0735-1015 (actual 0735-1018)


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Re: AR23 Transportation
« Reply #55 on: June 16, 2013, 12:51:18 PM »
Again, the poster saw them in Lisbon not London right? So where she was days ago DOES NOT MATTER. All that reflects is HER travel opps not the racers, see?
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Re: AR23 Transportation
« Reply #56 on: June 16, 2013, 07:36:59 PM »
What people were trying to establish was what flight she was on with the teams to Lisbon? Where was she coming from? Thus checking where she was a few days prior. If it was London it could VERY WELL be a connecting flight, certainly, but they are just trying to make transportation connections r.e. flights?!
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Re: AR23 Transportation
« Reply #57 on: June 16, 2013, 07:55:23 PM »
This is the flight I found departing from Lisbon to Oslo today:

TP768 (LIS-OSL) 08.55-1.55 (actual 9.37-1.57)
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Re: AR23 Transportation
« Reply #58 on: June 17, 2013, 09:17:36 AM »
Svolvaer, Norway, has flights to only 2 other airports.

Bodø and Stokmarknes. From those 2 airports, they can reach only one large airport with connections outside Norway. That's Oslo
Oslo has 2 airports, from which they could connect almost anywhere.

 there is also a ferry to Bergen that has many flights out of Norway to lots of possible TAR destinations.

so if they are in Svolvaer, as remote as it is, the options are many.

 http://www.avinor.no/en/airport/svolvar
 http://www.avinor.no/en/airport/stokmarknes
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Re: AR23 Transportation
« Reply #59 on: June 17, 2013, 10:07:25 AM »

1.
There was only one possible flight out of Lisbon to OSL that morning :






2.
several flights from OSL to BOO (which is the one and only connecting airport to Svolvaer that day) :

Here's arrival schedule at BOO from OSL :







3.
Then, move on to SVJ (Svolvaer), there are only 4 flights that could make it on June 16

Here's arrival schedule at SVJ from BOO :






***Please note that the second row (from left) is the Airline's name, not the end destination :tup:

I leave the rest to the transport experts to be analyzed further :)





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Re: AR23 Transportation
« Reply #60 on: June 17, 2013, 01:47:12 PM »
Following Zouly research, here's a more detailed list of flights from Oslo to Bodø and from there to Svolvaer:



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Re: AR23 Transportation
« Reply #61 on: June 17, 2013, 03:28:35 PM »
Thanks guys, you have it! I'll just add this for ease...ALL of these leges are conceivably possible, they are the only ones that are. The ones in green are the only really realistic ones, the other connections seem way to close.

The upshot is that yes, it IS possible for teams to have left Lisbon and arrived at the sighting time.

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Re: AR23 Transportation
« Reply #62 on: June 17, 2013, 04:18:44 PM »
Another thing that makes the leg in Svolvaer unlikely is the aircraft used to fly into  Svolvaer a DH-1 also called a Dash-8-100. carries 37 people. with racers and sound/camera would that be big enough?


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Re: AR23 Transportation
« Reply #63 on: June 17, 2013, 04:27:03 PM »
That could be tight unless they wer split into 2 flights...or charter. I just wish we had a better picture!
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Re: AR23 Transportation
« Reply #64 on: June 17, 2013, 09:11:51 PM »
What is the time spread between the possible flights? It's also possible teams might have to take different flights to arrive at different times, and then proceed as a lead pack and a trailing pack, or encounter a HOO delay after the teams arrive.
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Re: AR23 Transportation
« Reply #65 on: June 17, 2013, 09:15:20 PM »
All possible flights are listed^^. Keep in mind that Norway remains still UNCONFIRMED, and in my mind anyway, highly doubtful.
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Re: AR23 Transportation
« Reply #66 on: June 18, 2013, 01:15:34 PM »
Flights from Santiago to Buenos Aries on June 14th



The boxes in red make the most sense since in TARChile's post and pictures, they were there at 4 A.M. and look to be heading to an LAN flight.

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Re: AR23 Transportation
« Reply #67 on: June 18, 2013, 01:21:06 PM »
If we also base off of the Lisbon airport sighting and the poster was on the same flight as some teams from London to Lisbon, these flights still remain a possibility.

A viable connection in London to match the poster being in London a few days back would be

Buenos Aires to London

BA244 1300-0620+1 (actual 1309-0613+1)

and London to Lisbon

BA500 0735-1015 (actual 0735-1018)

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Re: AR23 Transportation
« Reply #68 on: June 19, 2013, 02:37:22 AM »
If they are using KLM as pic suggests:
(Current Trondheim time is 0939AM)
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Re: AR23 Transportation
« Reply #69 on: June 19, 2013, 03:13:03 AM »
We've been assuming teams -flew- into Svolvaer, but here's an option that gives us a perfect sighting time for midnight the night of 16 Jun 2013:

TP 768 from Lisbon to Oslo. 0855-1355
(Flights via Copenhagen also possible)
SK 4116 from Oslo to Bodo, 1535-1705
SK 4122 from Oslo to Bodo, 1715-1840
DY 350 from Oslo to Bodo, 1750-1920
Ferry from Bodo to Svolvaer, 2030-2329
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Re: AR23 Transportation
« Reply #70 on: June 19, 2013, 03:28:54 AM »
Ferries would be fun!

The above flights also work. Esp if the sightings are mid leg not right at the start, they could have been in action from Airport arrival/customs onward.

Anyway, bet they use ferries onward to Trondheim...

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Re: AR23 Transportation
« Reply #71 on: June 19, 2013, 03:46:54 AM »
If they are using KLM as pic suggests:
(Current Trondheim time is 0939AM)

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Re: AR23 Transportation
« Reply #72 on: June 19, 2013, 03:59:54 AM »
On the Svolvaer sighting: I've a good feeling they just arrived, are looking for or have just received their first clue, and are about to hit an hours of operation. We need to give Phil some time to do his stand-ups!

Ferry action to Trondheim is... unlikely, I think? Svolvaer is really far away - 34 hours away by ferry, to be exact! A Trondheim airport departure today morning (19 Jun) would match an overnight train from Bodo (2110-0707), but working backwards there's no connection between Svolvaer and Bodo either. They'd have to do this weird combination, which I find extremely unlikely:
Bus from Svolvaer to Lodingen, 18 1510-1655
Bus from Lodingen to Fauske, 1715-2110
Train from Fauske to Trondheim Airport, 2158-19 0707

I'm thinking sometime during the leg, or maybe during the Pit Stop, teams took the ferry back to the mainland (Bodo, for example). A Pit Start at Bodo yesterday afternoon (18 Jun), followed by an overnight ride to Trondheim Airport, would then make sense. Or maybe they just had teams drive to the mainland.

Edited to add: the daily ferry from Svolvaer to Bodo leaves at 6.30am.
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Re: AR23 Transportation
« Reply #73 on: June 19, 2013, 07:41:21 AM »
Flights to Gdansk (June 19th), one of the LA Kings blondes and another one of Afghanimals sighted in Trondheim Airport in the said date and here are the possibilities:

Nah, nevermind. See Neobie's recent post below.
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Re: AR23 Transportation
« Reply #74 on: June 19, 2013, 08:07:55 AM »
Well teams have already been seen in Gdansk by 2.08pm, so I'm pretty sure some teams at least took earlier itineraries:

Edit: Wow, there are so many ways to get between these airports I thought were small!

Note: Our sightings of the teams at Trondheim Airport was at 8.06am.

ITINERARY #1 (short layover)
SK 4481 from Trondheim to Stavanger, 0625-0735
W6 1748 from Stavanger to Gdansk, 0825-1005

ITINERARY #2
QA 2885 from Trondheim to Copenhagen, 0600-0735
QA 755 from Copenhagen to Gdansk, 0915-1010

ITINERARY #3
WA 1172 from Trondheim to Amsterdam, 0605-0825
K2 312 from Amsterdam to Gdansk, 0940-1140

ITINERARY #4A
DY 749 from Trondheim to Oslo, 0830-0925
DY 1052 from Oslo to Gdansk, 1100-1225

ITINERARY #4B (short layover)
DY 751 from Trondheim to Oslo, 0920-1015
DY 1052 from Oslo to Gdansk, 1100-1225

ITINERARY #4C
DY 751 from Trondheim to Oslo, 0920-1015
SK 4789 from Oslo to Gdansk, 1120-1250

ITINERARY #5
SK 4143 from Trondheim to Bergen, 0915-1015
W6 1746 from Bergen to Gdansk, 1320-1505

ITINERARY #6
SK 2881 from Trondheim to Copenhagen, 1040-1215
QA 759 from Copenhagen to Gdansk, 1425-1520
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