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Should there be a race rule that a team cannot give/help a team with a task that will literally help them to complete it?

Yes.. but how are teams going to measure what can be helped and what can't be?
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No, it's a race and teams helping each other is just all part of strategy.
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THE AMAZING RACE ETHICS THREAD
« on: March 14, 2013, 02:20:25 PM »
Every season or once in a while, we have an ethical issue that arises that has everyone discussing or debating about.

So, why not just do a vote and see what the majority of the people feel or think?

Just a simple YES or NO answer will simply tell what most people feel. And if you have voted, why not post your comments on the latest poll?

So of course, the very first poll will be on the most current TAR episode ->
Do you approve of what Connor had done?
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Re: THE AMAZING RACE ETHICS THREAD
« Reply #1 on: March 14, 2013, 02:28:42 PM »
Here's my piece of thought. I voted Yes because you should do anything to try to get ahead, and Connor noticed that Pam/Winnie had not covered up her surfboard and took advantage of a quick opportunity to finish the challenge faster than he could have. Almost everyone else hid the logo on their board, but she did not do so immediately.
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Re: THE AMAZING RACE ETHICS THREAD
« Reply #2 on: March 14, 2013, 03:01:49 PM »
I think it's a dick move, but it's also a case of "do what you have to". The race is very stressful, and a competetive person will use any advantage he can. Winne could have done a better job to hide it.

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Re: THE AMAZING RACE ETHICS THREAD
« Reply #3 on: March 14, 2013, 03:12:40 PM »
I just say: if dave and Connor are up to these things to get in first, do not sell me the image of an ill team, the cancer story or the broken achilles.
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Re: THE AMAZING RACE ETHICS THREAD
« Reply #4 on: March 14, 2013, 03:54:23 PM »
Duh. It was a good move.
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Re: THE AMAZING RACE ETHICS THREAD
« Reply #5 on: March 14, 2013, 05:54:48 PM »
I dont see it as any different as stealing a taxi or looking at what flight a team has chosen. I probably wouldn't have done it, but its not unethical.

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Re: THE AMAZING RACE ETHICS THREAD
« Reply #6 on: March 14, 2013, 07:39:21 PM »
I think I'd be more inclined to think it was "unethical" if it was probably Connor's answer getting stolen... My race ethics are so biased. :lol3:

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Re: THE AMAZING RACE ETHICS THREAD
« Reply #7 on: March 14, 2013, 08:03:53 PM »
I voted no, but it's just because Connor stole it from my favorite team :lol:
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Re: THE AMAZING RACE ETHICS THREAD
« Reply #8 on: March 14, 2013, 08:27:14 PM »
Any poll that only lets you answer yes/no to a NOT simple question is slanted... that's why people get paid big bucks to set up poll questions.

If you phrased it differently, you would get totally different answers.

But I am all in favor of discussing these issues!! :hearts:


For instance, to me, what N/N did was definitively wrong...but I don't see this as wrong at all. :lol:
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Re: THE AMAZING RACE ETHICS THREAD
« Reply #9 on: March 14, 2013, 10:24:10 PM »
Peach, apparently you are wrong. The results are tied right now. The yes and no was just a simple question asking if you agree with what they have done. If somebody think that there was at least a reason that can support their action, they will probably pick Yes.
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Re: THE AMAZING RACE ETHICS THREAD
« Reply #10 on: March 14, 2013, 10:26:41 PM »
Just didn't want people to overthink the situation! Simply whether they agree to it or not.
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Re: THE AMAZING RACE ETHICS THREAD
« Reply #11 on: March 14, 2013, 11:47:21 PM »
Try changing it to "is what Connor did unethical" and see what happens. :tup:

Approval is a different subject.
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Re: THE AMAZING RACE ETHICS THREAD
« Reply #12 on: March 15, 2013, 12:42:36 AM »
Try changing it to "is what Connor did unethical" and see what happens. :tup:

Approval is a different subject.

Then the answer would definitely be more No than Yes. It was just merely peeping and people may not have much problem with it. It's not like erm, maybe Mark and Michael sabotaging the tools in Phuket, you know.. which is clearly wrong? If I wanted to know that, and I probably don't have to since they would have been penalized already.

Since that's not what I want to know, I'm more interested to find out if people agree more to his actions or even in fact, would do it on the race or not. That's so much more worthy than discussion rather than on just a simple topic on ethics. Ethics has so much more to that, it is affected by circumstance, people, scenario etc. I'm pretty sure if it's done by Max and Katie, people will probably not be as angry as Dave and Connor doing it since Max and Katie were never portrayed as the nice team.

Which makes this the best statement I've seen in this thread till now:
I just say: if dave and Connor are up to these things to get in first, do not sell me the image of an ill team, the cancer story or the broken achilles.
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Re: THE AMAZING RACE ETHICS THREAD
« Reply #13 on: March 15, 2013, 12:57:36 AM »
I'm saying yes, because Connor's actions didn't put Pam & Winnie at a disadvantage. Sure, it's sneaky, but it didn't hurt Pam & Winnie at all (other than Pam & Winnie not getting first place, but IIRC didn't she get lost looking for the Pit Stop? Maybe I'm remembering wrong... ???).

Brian & Ericka getting their taxi stolen in Prague put them at a disadvantage. Natalie & Nadiya stealing James & Abba's money put J&A at a disadvantage.

Connor copying P&W's surfboard sticker did not directly disadvantage Pam & Winnie in the same way that B&E or J&A were disadvantaged by other teams' actions.

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Re: THE AMAZING RACE ETHICS THREAD
« Reply #14 on: March 15, 2013, 12:32:29 PM »
I understand it, but I don't like what they did. I would like to think I wouldn't cheat which is what I think this is, but I don't know for sure because I'm not in the same situation. It does tend to destroy their good story, cancer survival, injury survival doesn't it.  :umn:
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Re: THE AMAZING RACE ETHICS THREAD
« Reply #15 on: March 15, 2013, 04:56:23 PM »
Since this thread is about race ethics, etiquette, and orthodoxity...

Throwback to season 20: Do you think Art & JJ's burn in the government servitude alliance with Rachel & Dave in Tanzania was right? If so, did the border patrols handle the situation properly?

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Re: THE AMAZING RACE ETHICS THREAD
« Reply #16 on: March 15, 2013, 05:19:08 PM »
Art & JJ easily make the Mount Rushmore of biggest pricks in Amazing Race history.  Anyways, about the question, I think they were being way too whiny, there was no strategic reason for Dave and Rachel to Uturn anyone at that time. Ending the alliance was just so unnecessary.
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Re: THE AMAZING RACE ETHICS THREAD
« Reply #17 on: March 15, 2013, 11:21:40 PM »
That was clearly a no and they were at fault right?
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Re: THE AMAZING RACE ETHICS THREAD
« Reply #18 on: March 15, 2013, 11:22:29 PM »
A more worthy ethic question would be: "Do you agree with Rachel and Dave agreeing to Art and JJ about U-TURNing Rachel and Dave, but ultimately not doing it?"
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Re: THE AMAZING RACE ETHICS THREAD
« Reply #19 on: March 16, 2013, 05:55:07 AM »
Joab,

Do you mean Rachel and Brendon instead of the second instance of Rachel and Dave? I think you might.

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Re: THE AMAZING RACE ETHICS THREAD
« Reply #20 on: March 16, 2013, 06:39:53 AM »
Oh! Yes I did. Sorry they were so forgettable. :lol3:
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Re: THE AMAZING RACE ETHICS THREAD
« Reply #21 on: March 17, 2013, 06:45:39 AM »
Here's my piece of thought. I voted Yes because you should do anything to try to get ahead, and Connor noticed that Pam/Winnie had not covered up her surfboard and took advantage of a quick opportunity to finish the challenge faster than he could have. Almost everyone else hid the logo on their board, but she did not do so immediately.

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Re: THE AMAZING RACE ETHICS THREAD
« Reply #22 on: March 17, 2013, 10:03:31 AM »
Good without evil is nothing. Imagine the earth without shadows -- way too boring! <-- okay my thoughts about ethics issues in life :lol:

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Re: THE AMAZING RACE ETHICS THREAD
« Reply #23 on: March 17, 2013, 10:47:58 AM »
I voted No because IIRC it seemed Pam or Winnie (I can't tell which :lol3:) was trying to make sure they hid their answer. I think if Pam or Winnie had a meh or I don't care attitude, I would be fine with it, but because she didn't want it to be seen, I found Connor's act low.

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Re: THE AMAZING RACE ETHICS THREAD
« Reply #24 on: March 17, 2013, 11:05:35 AM »
Which makes this the best statement I've seen in this thread till now:
I just say: if dave and Connor are up to these things to get in first, do not sell me the image of an ill team, the cancer story or the broken achilles.

Never saw I was Jojo's favourite, :lol3: :lol3: :lol3:

I really think the Art & JJ thing was some stupid move to call more attention from the cameras. I can't say much. I just hated all those 4 racers with all my soul.
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