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Should there be a race rule that a team cannot give/help a team with a task that will literally help them to complete it?

Yes.. but how are teams going to measure what can be helped and what can't be?
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No, it's a race and teams helping each other is just all part of strategy.
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THE AMAZING RACE ETHICS THREAD
« on: March 14, 2013, 02:20:25 PM »
Every season or once in a while, we have an ethical issue that arises that has everyone discussing or debating about.

So, why not just do a vote and see what the majority of the people feel or think?

Just a simple YES or NO answer will simply tell what most people feel. And if you have voted, why not post your comments on the latest poll?

So of course, the very first poll will be on the most current TAR episode ->
Do you approve of what Connor had done?


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« Reply #1 on: March 14, 2013, 02:28:42 PM »
Here's my piece of thought. I voted Yes because you should do anything to try to get ahead, and Connor noticed that Pam/Winnie had not covered up her surfboard and took advantage of a quick opportunity to finish the challenge faster than he could have. Almost everyone else hid the logo on their board, but she did not do so immediately.
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Re: THE AMAZING RACE ETHICS THREAD
« Reply #2 on: March 14, 2013, 03:01:49 PM »
I think it's a dick move, but it's also a case of "do what you have to". The race is very stressful, and a competetive person will use any advantage he can. Winne could have done a better job to hide it.

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Re: THE AMAZING RACE ETHICS THREAD
« Reply #3 on: March 14, 2013, 03:12:40 PM »
I just say: if dave and Connor are up to these things to get in first, do not sell me the image of an ill team, the cancer story or the broken achilles.
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« Reply #4 on: March 14, 2013, 03:54:23 PM »
Duh. It was a good move.
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Re: THE AMAZING RACE ETHICS THREAD
« Reply #5 on: March 14, 2013, 05:54:48 PM »
I dont see it as any different as stealing a taxi or looking at what flight a team has chosen. I probably wouldn't have done it, but its not unethical.

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Re: THE AMAZING RACE ETHICS THREAD
« Reply #6 on: March 14, 2013, 07:39:21 PM »
I think I'd be more inclined to think it was "unethical" if it was probably Connor's answer getting stolen... My race ethics are so biased. :lol3:

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« Reply #7 on: March 14, 2013, 08:03:53 PM »
I voted no, but it's just because Connor stole it from my favorite team :lol:
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Re: THE AMAZING RACE ETHICS THREAD
« Reply #8 on: March 14, 2013, 08:27:14 PM »
Any poll that only lets you answer yes/no to a NOT simple question is slanted... that's why people get paid big bucks to set up poll questions.

If you phrased it differently, you would get totally different answers.

But I am all in favor of discussing these issues!! :hearts:


For instance, to me, what N/N did was definitively wrong...but I don't see this as wrong at all. :lol:
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Re: THE AMAZING RACE ETHICS THREAD
« Reply #9 on: March 14, 2013, 10:24:10 PM »
Peach, apparently you are wrong. The results are tied right now. The yes and no was just a simple question asking if you agree with what they have done. If somebody think that there was at least a reason that can support their action, they will probably pick Yes.


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Re: THE AMAZING RACE ETHICS THREAD
« Reply #10 on: March 14, 2013, 10:26:41 PM »
Just didn't want people to overthink the situation! Simply whether they agree to it or not.

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Re: THE AMAZING RACE ETHICS THREAD
« Reply #11 on: March 14, 2013, 11:47:21 PM »
Try changing it to "is what Connor did unethical" and see what happens. :tup:

Approval is a different subject.
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Re: THE AMAZING RACE ETHICS THREAD
« Reply #12 on: March 15, 2013, 12:42:36 AM »
Try changing it to "is what Connor did unethical" and see what happens. :tup:

Approval is a different subject.

Then the answer would definitely be more No than Yes. It was just merely peeping and people may not have much problem with it. It's not like erm, maybe Mark and Michael sabotaging the tools in Phuket, you know.. which is clearly wrong? If I wanted to know that, and I probably don't have to since they would have been penalized already.

Since that's not what I want to know, I'm more interested to find out if people agree more to his actions or even in fact, would do it on the race or not. That's so much more worthy than discussion rather than on just a simple topic on ethics. Ethics has so much more to that, it is affected by circumstance, people, scenario etc. I'm pretty sure if it's done by Max and Katie, people will probably not be as angry as Dave and Connor doing it since Max and Katie were never portrayed as the nice team.

Which makes this the best statement I've seen in this thread till now:
I just say: if dave and Connor are up to these things to get in first, do not sell me the image of an ill team, the cancer story or the broken achilles.

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Re: THE AMAZING RACE ETHICS THREAD
« Reply #13 on: March 15, 2013, 12:57:36 AM »
I'm saying yes, because Connor's actions didn't put Pam & Winnie at a disadvantage. Sure, it's sneaky, but it didn't hurt Pam & Winnie at all (other than Pam & Winnie not getting first place, but IIRC didn't she get lost looking for the Pit Stop? Maybe I'm remembering wrong... ???).

Brian & Ericka getting their taxi stolen in Prague put them at a disadvantage. Natalie & Nadiya stealing James & Abba's money put J&A at a disadvantage.

Connor copying P&W's surfboard sticker did not directly disadvantage Pam & Winnie in the same way that B&E or J&A were disadvantaged by other teams' actions.

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Re: THE AMAZING RACE ETHICS THREAD
« Reply #14 on: March 15, 2013, 12:32:29 PM »
I understand it, but I don't like what they did. I would like to think I wouldn't cheat which is what I think this is, but I don't know for sure because I'm not in the same situation. It does tend to destroy their good story, cancer survival, injury survival doesn't it.  :umn:
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Re: THE AMAZING RACE ETHICS THREAD
« Reply #15 on: March 15, 2013, 04:56:23 PM »
Since this thread is about race ethics, etiquette, and orthodoxity...

Throwback to season 20: Do you think Art & JJ's burn in the government servitude alliance with Rachel & Dave in Tanzania was right? If so, did the border patrols handle the situation properly?

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Re: THE AMAZING RACE ETHICS THREAD
« Reply #16 on: March 15, 2013, 05:19:08 PM »
Art & JJ easily make the Mount Rushmore of biggest pricks in Amazing Race history.  Anyways, about the question, I think they were being way too whiny, there was no strategic reason for Dave and Rachel to Uturn anyone at that time. Ending the alliance was just so unnecessary.
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Re: THE AMAZING RACE ETHICS THREAD
« Reply #17 on: March 15, 2013, 11:21:40 PM »
That was clearly a no and they were at fault right?

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« Reply #18 on: March 15, 2013, 11:22:29 PM »
A more worthy ethic question would be: "Do you agree with Rachel and Dave agreeing to Art and JJ about U-TURNing Rachel and Dave, but ultimately not doing it?"

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Re: THE AMAZING RACE ETHICS THREAD
« Reply #19 on: March 16, 2013, 05:55:07 AM »
Joab,

Do you mean Rachel and Brendon instead of the second instance of Rachel and Dave? I think you might.

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« Reply #20 on: March 16, 2013, 06:39:53 AM »
Oh! Yes I did. Sorry they were so forgettable. :lol3:

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« Reply #21 on: March 17, 2013, 06:45:39 AM »
Here's my piece of thought. I voted Yes because you should do anything to try to get ahead, and Connor noticed that Pam/Winnie had not covered up her surfboard and took advantage of a quick opportunity to finish the challenge faster than he could have. Almost everyone else hid the logo on their board, but she did not do so immediately.

I agree with bwills927.

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Re: THE AMAZING RACE ETHICS THREAD
« Reply #22 on: March 17, 2013, 10:03:31 AM »
Good without evil is nothing. Imagine the earth without shadows -- way too boring! <-- okay my thoughts about ethics issues in life :lol:

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Re: THE AMAZING RACE ETHICS THREAD
« Reply #23 on: March 17, 2013, 10:47:58 AM »
I voted No because IIRC it seemed Pam or Winnie (I can't tell which :lol3:) was trying to make sure they hid their answer. I think if Pam or Winnie had a meh or I don't care attitude, I would be fine with it, but because she didn't want it to be seen, I found Connor's act low.

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« Reply #24 on: March 17, 2013, 11:05:35 AM »
Which makes this the best statement I've seen in this thread till now:
I just say: if dave and Connor are up to these things to get in first, do not sell me the image of an ill team, the cancer story or the broken achilles.

Never saw I was Jojo's favourite, :lol3: :lol3: :lol3:

I really think the Art & JJ thing was some stupid move to call more attention from the cameras. I can't say much. I just hated all those 4 racers with all my soul.
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Re: THE AMAZING RACE ETHICS THREAD
« Reply #25 on: March 22, 2013, 10:55:05 AM »
I'm surprised no one has mentioned about the Twinnies "stealing" the rockers' money.

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Re: THE AMAZING RACE ETHICS THREAD
« Reply #26 on: March 22, 2013, 10:59:25 AM »
Not a topic of discussion yet. LOL. I can set it as poll though, if people are interested with this topic.

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« Reply #27 on: March 22, 2013, 04:09:03 PM »
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Re: THE AMAZING RACE ETHICS THREAD
« Reply #28 on: March 22, 2013, 11:54:52 PM »
POLL RESULTS:

Do you approve of what Connor had done?
Yes 24 (55.8%)
No 19 (44.2%)

Total Members Voted: 43

Seems like more people didn't have issue with Dave and Connor peeping at Pamela and Winnie's answer!

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Re: THE AMAZING RACE ETHICS THREAD
« Reply #29 on: March 22, 2013, 11:58:00 PM »
NEW POLL:

Do you think that Nadiya and Natalie and Trey and Lexi were at fault for taking James and Abba's money?

James and Abba can only blame themselves for losing their money.
Nadiya and Natalie were solely at fault. James and Abba would have gone back and searched for their money.
Both Twinnie and Trexie were at fault. Trexie, why did you even agree to split the money?

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Re: THE AMAZING RACE ETHICS THREAD
« Reply #30 on: March 23, 2013, 07:39:47 AM »
I don't think the Twinnies or Trey & Lexi were at fault for why James and Abba lost their money. I just think it would be a nice act in general just to give it back to the Rockers rather than keeping it.

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« Reply #31 on: March 23, 2013, 11:00:23 AM »
Trey/Lexi are out of the picture since they were forced into this. James/Abba should keep track of their stuff, but taking money is a little different than taking a taxi or copying someone, or telling a local to play dumb when asked directions.
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« Reply #32 on: March 23, 2013, 11:23:36 AM »
Trey/Lexi are out of the picture since they were forced into this. James/Abba should keep track of their stuff, but taking money is a little different than taking a taxi or copying someone, or telling a local to play dumb when asked directions.

Your argument is invalid. Trey and Lexi took the money willingly. :res: (Don't mind me, I'm a Trexie fan but the words "they were forced into this" made me -_-)

So, your point is... who's at fault here?

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« Reply #33 on: March 23, 2013, 11:26:30 AM »
THIS, AGAIN? :groan:

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Re: THE AMAZING RACE ETHICS THREAD
« Reply #34 on: March 23, 2013, 11:38:52 AM »
Trey/Lexi are out of the picture since they were forced into this. James/Abba should keep track of their stuff, but taking money is a little different than taking a taxi or copying someone, or telling a local to play dumb when asked directions.

Your argument is invalid. Trey and Lexi took the money willingly. :res: (Don't mind me, I'm a Trexie fan but the words "they were forced into this" made me -_-)

So, your point is... who's at fault here?
Well Trexie did accept the money, but the alliance with NaNa basically made them do it. I could be wrong, but i think at first Trexie were skeptical. And for your question, i find NaNa at fault since taking money is more sever than the stuff i listed at the end.
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« Reply #35 on: March 23, 2013, 12:15:27 PM »
It was wrong and made them BEG in a poor country.
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« Reply #36 on: March 23, 2013, 01:36:21 PM »
Remembering back to all-stars, a couple teams were ignored and helpless in Poland for some reason, mentionably Charla & Mirna to the point of Mirna tearing up. I believe this is to be answered in the ethics area since this is the race's past controversy I need help on:

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« Reply #37 on: March 23, 2013, 01:43:50 PM »
Remembering back to all-stars, a couple teams were ignored and helpless in Poland for some reason, mentionably Charla & Mirna to the point of Mirna tearing up. I believe this is to be answered in the ethics area since this is the race's past controversy I need help on:

"Do you think the Polish locals should have helped Charla & Mirna with directions and simple questions than just ignoring, "no"ing, and giggling at them?"
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Re: THE AMAZING RACE ETHICS THREAD
« Reply #38 on: March 23, 2013, 05:03:14 PM »
If we're talking within the show: if the rules allow it, go for it. Teams should be allowed to pick their own morality as long as they remain lawful.

Example:
Boston Rob bribing the bus driver not to open the back door of the bus (allowed by the rules) vs. Mark & Michael hiding the tools for a task (against the rules)

While I'm certainly not a Rob 'n Ambuh fan, it was a tactic. As far as the twinnies go. James & Abba dropped the money, there was no way to mark it as theirs (as if it had been say, inside their fanny pack). While the Twinnies could have returned the money, they had no moral obligation, specially since they cleared it with production.
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« Reply #39 on: March 23, 2013, 05:24:14 PM »
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While the Twinnies could have returned the money, they had no moral obligation, specially since they cleared it with production.

 :jam: We have a winner. Morally wrong of Nadiya and Natalie, but nothing wrong with them taking the money since they cleared it with production.

ALTHOUGH I still disapprove them for it. :lol3:

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« Reply #40 on: March 24, 2013, 02:12:40 PM »
It was wrong and made them BEG in a poor country.
Yes, it was wrong but the begging done by James and Abba in Bangladesh was one of the most positive experiences they had on AR21 as I remember it happening. You would think that in such a poor country it would have been morally wrong idea to beg from the locals, but many locals seemed to enjoy being part of the process (and maybe the possibility of getting on American television helped them). They were certainly generous and I believe James and Abba got more money than they lost.

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« Reply #41 on: March 24, 2013, 02:16:58 PM »
Oh please. They only got the money because they were in their bags and being followed by a camera crew. If they were just normal people walking on the streets , i DOUBT people would give out the money just like that. Let's just think for a moment : Do you think those people would give out the money if YOU were there , without your staff and just walking normally? I don't really think so.

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Re: THE AMAZING RACE ETHICS THREAD
« Reply #42 on: March 24, 2013, 03:47:37 PM »
Begging for money for a chance to win a million dollars should never happen, especially when it's in countries with a high level of poverty. What the Twins/Trey & Lexie did was perfectly fine by the rules but extremely wrong morally.

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« Reply #43 on: March 24, 2013, 04:26:55 PM »
^^agree. But yes, people DO spontaneously do give $$$ out to racers!!
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« Reply #44 on: April 10, 2013, 06:54:24 AM »
Both parties were at fault. The money didn't belong to them period.

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« Reply #45 on: April 10, 2013, 07:42:59 AM »
James & Abba did 'lose' the money. I mean, taking reverse with the point that Twinnies shouldn't have taken the money because it resulted to James & Abba having to beg in a poverty-stricken area, James & Abba should have realized that they needed to grip more tightly on their money than usual because they were in an economically poor country.
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Re: THE AMAZING RACE ETHICS THREAD
« Reply #46 on: November 04, 2013, 04:48:12 AM »
It's time to bring back the ethics thread!

I know the cab driver took out Jamy's bags and it's not against race rules for Timarie to take their cab in that circumstance.

BUT, Tim and Marie could have done a bunny and chose to find their own cab. At the same time, it's Timarie... so it's not really surprising.

So, what do you think? Would you have taken the cab... or would you have done a Nicky and Kim and find your own cab?

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Re: THE AMAZING RACE ETHICS THREAD
« Reply #47 on: November 04, 2013, 04:52:53 AM »
Tim and Mare did take the cab knowingly so in my books it's a no-no and I am surprised that they didn't get a penalty.
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Re: THE AMAZING RACE ETHICS THREAD
« Reply #48 on: November 04, 2013, 04:56:05 AM »
The question here I'm more puzzled with is... why did the cab driver take out their bags? :O

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Re: THE AMAZING RACE ETHICS THREAD
« Reply #49 on: November 04, 2013, 05:34:18 AM »
I think Tim and Marie took the risk of making it by their own. In this circumstance, I understand there was not a major benefit. If it was a final leg, with the million right there, it would be another thing. So, I think it's not bad done.

If I see a taxi without bags INSIDE, whhy do I have to go to search for another one? I am in a race, yeah, and Timarie had already had some trouble with taxi finding prior in the leg. I would've done it if necessary.
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Re: THE AMAZING RACE ETHICS THREAD
« Reply #50 on: November 04, 2013, 06:05:34 AM »
Do not care it's a race. Unless it's a team I don't like, then they're not allowed to.

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Re: THE AMAZING RACE ETHICS THREAD
« Reply #51 on: November 04, 2013, 06:10:22 AM »
I see nothing wrong done by Tim & Marie, it's a Race, they did what they had to do to gain time. :)

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Re: THE AMAZING RACE ETHICS THREAD
« Reply #52 on: November 04, 2013, 08:24:48 PM »
There have been so many taxi stealing incidents on the race that it becomes typical (Romber vs. Charla & Mirna, Sam & Dan vs. Brian & Ericka, and Ari & Staella vs. Ronald & Christina). Even Don & Mary Jean, the innocent grandparents, "stole" another team's vehicle on accident. Nonetheless, it's part of the Race and it's what you got to do to get ahead. But when you leave your "race buddies" behind in the dust, that's gonna blow your cover in a split second.

Seriously, there already has been two other taxi stealing incident this season, but NOW they realize it? :groan: Marie took Jamal's taxi bck in the premiere and called her a bitch, but that's neglected. Leo & Jamal "retaliated" by hailing a taxi for Ally & Ashley and took it right in front of their faces, but they didn't even bother airing it.
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Re: THE AMAZING RACE ETHICS THREAD
« Reply #53 on: November 04, 2013, 08:37:09 PM »
The one in the premiere wasn't literally taxi stealing, Jamal ordered the cab, and the cab simply chose to take Marie. The other incident as well, because honestly... you can order a cab for someone but as long as that person hasn't gone into the cab, it isn't considered taxi stealing. You can only blame it on the driver for not checking the identity of the passenger properly... but they don't really care. They just want to do business.

This incident wouldn't have happen if the cab driver didn't take out Jason and Amy's bag tbh... but I'm wondering if Tim and Marie actually told the cab driver to remove the bags and receive a penalty for it, will Tim and Danny survived the leg?

Also, what if another team stole Tim and Marie's cab? Imagine how infuriated Marie would be. I would love to see Jason and Amy do that back to them honestly.

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Re: THE AMAZING RACE ETHICS THREAD
« Reply #54 on: November 04, 2013, 11:47:29 PM »
Personally, I think there's nothing wrong in what Tim & Marie did, just simply because they didn't touch the bag. Based on what I saw when I watched this episode again, when Nicky & Kim spotted Jason & Amy's taxi, the bag is still in the taxi, but after that the taxi driver himself took the bag out. My opinion is, maybe the taxi driver had been waiting pretty long for them (Jason & Amy) and when he saw the Bunnies were searching for other taxi just because there are two bags in his cab and not taking his, he moved the bag out just for other teams (or maybe the bunnies) can take his cab, and not just Jason & Amy can take his. I personally think the taxi driver had a good purpose because maybe he tried to help other teams to get in his taxi, and not spending time to search for other taxi.

The thing that I don't like is the fact that Marie wanted to blame her act to Leo & Jamal. I feel poor for Leo & Jamal to be the scapegoat this time. :( But thank goodness it didn't happen! :yess:
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Re: THE AMAZING RACE ETHICS THREAD
« Reply #55 on: November 05, 2013, 07:18:02 AM »
But while on the cab, the cab driver realized he took the wrong team. That was just puzzling and awkward?

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Re: THE AMAZING RACE ETHICS THREAD
« Reply #56 on: November 05, 2013, 12:05:27 PM »
As long as they didn't touch their stuff, Tim & Marie were alright.

Now if it was like Joseph & Grace on TARAu dumping James & Sarah's bags out, then we got a problem.

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Re: THE AMAZING RACE ETHICS THREAD
« Reply #57 on: November 05, 2013, 09:56:58 PM »
I dont think they should have taken their taxi,

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Re: THE AMAZING RACE ETHICS THREAD
« Reply #58 on: November 07, 2013, 11:05:10 PM »
I don't have a problem with a team taking a taxi with no bags on it (the bags were already in the floor) but my problem would start if Jason&Amy didn't pay to the cab driver before making him wait, if they were waiting usually the taxi timer is still going so that would mean the service is still on Jason&Amy... unless the taxi driver didn't wanna wait anymore and thought he was not gonna be paid and that is why he took the bags out restarting the timer for the new team....

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Re: THE AMAZING RACE ETHICS THREAD
« Reply #59 on: November 08, 2013, 01:07:08 AM »
If it were me in Tim & Marie's position, I wouldn't have taken the cab. But because the taxi driver removed J & A's bags, and not Tim & Marie, I don't necessarily think they did anything wrong. Immoral? Sure, maybe. But nothing against the rules.

But while on the cab, the cab driver realized he took the wrong team. That was just puzzling and awkward?

The best part of the whole escapade was when one of them (I forget which) held up the Route Info clue and said, "No, see? We're blue team too." :lol:

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Re: THE AMAZING RACE ETHICS THREAD
« Reply #60 on: November 08, 2013, 01:24:09 AM »

The best part of the whole escapade was when one of them (I forget which) held up the Route Info clue and said, "No, see? We're blue team too." :lol:

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Re: THE AMAZING RACE ETHICS THREAD
« Reply #61 on: November 25, 2013, 06:01:42 AM »
Should Travis and Nicole have been penalised for having Amy pretty much complete the roadblock in leg 9 for them? I'm a little unclear on the rules here, I know teams have given each other advice or answers for tasks before but this seemed to me to be the next level. Did it seal the fate of the Ice Queens? definitely. Would they have survived if it hadnt happened? We'll never know.

In my opinion if Nicole cannot complete the roadblock successfully and her team arrives last they should be eliminated rather than:
If Nicole cannot complete the roadblock successfully she can get Amy to essentially do it for her and her team can survive while a team that completed the task independently is eliminated.

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Re: THE AMAZING RACE ETHICS THREAD
« Reply #62 on: November 25, 2013, 01:55:11 PM »
"Ethics" in particular made me really upset during this episode. While Nicole is rushing off to try to cheat off of Leo (Of the team she U-Turned) by copying all of his hard work, it is interspersed with the two of them in an interview talking about how they want to run the race in an honest way and to set a good example for their children.

Explain to me how cheating off of someone else during a task is setting a good example? It seemed to me that the show was trying to portray Leo and Jamal in a poor light in this instance, when LEO was actually the one trying to play fair.

Looking over someone's shoulders to copy their answers is not permitted during a school exam. Why do Nicole & Travis feel it is morally right here?

I wouldn't have had a problem if it were not for their accompanying interview. If you were running an honest race, you wouldn't have even tried.

Also: This is not the first time teams have helped each other during tasks. It's only prohibited when clues specify (See TAR 7 England Roadblock)
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Re: THE AMAZING RACE ETHICS THREAD
« Reply #63 on: November 25, 2013, 02:08:05 PM »
Amy helping Nicole wasn't even the first time this episode that team helped another with a task. Leo & Jamal gave Ally & Ashley the scarf they used to finish the Detour. Yes, it's a more oblique way of helping out, but it's still helping another team. Morally, I don't see anything wrong with helping another team, no matter how much or how little you help.

"Ethics" in particular made me really upset during this episode. While Nicole is rushing off to try to cheat off of Leo (Of the team she U-Turned) by copying all of his hard work, it is interspersed with the two of them in an interview talking about how they want to run the race in an honest way and to set a good example for their children.

Explain to me how cheating off of someone else during a task is setting a good example? It seemed to me that the show was trying to portray Leo and Jamal in a poor light in this instance, when LEO was actually the one trying to play fair.

Looking over someone's shoulders to copy their answers is not permitted during a school exam. Why do Nicole & Travis feel it is morally right here?

I wouldn't have had a problem if it were not for their accompanying interview. If you were running an honest race, you wouldn't have even tried.

Behold, the magic of editing. I guarantee that quote in the interview was taken out of context to make them look bad. For all we know, the full quote could have been something like "I feel so bad doing that at the Roadblock, because we wanted to run an honest race and set a good example for our kids," but the editors took out the first part. It's hard to judge someone based solely on a four-second sound bite.

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Re: THE AMAZING RACE ETHICS THREAD
« Reply #64 on: November 25, 2013, 04:11:00 PM »
It's interesting because I don't think there was anything wrong with Amy helping Nicole since it was her decision.  Nicole could've begged all day and no one didn't have to help.

But there other tasks where teams have to solve puzzles where I don't think they should get any help.  Maybe like TAR19's starting line task with the umbrellas or TAR18's nautical phrase task.  Or something like special KAFKA. (lol) Teams should figure those out on their own.

Now about Nicole looking at Leo's finished angklung, I think it was hilarious.  But at the same time, it's the same as copying a provided example. (Was there an example?)
I actually look down more on Nicole begging Amy to STAY and help her than her chasing Leo around.

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Re: THE AMAZING RACE ETHICS THREAD
« Reply #65 on: November 25, 2013, 06:04:20 PM »
Nicole chasing Leo was funny, I do not see it as cheating. Nicole begging Amy to help was ok, but perhaps not wise on Amy's part to help. 

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Re: THE AMAZING RACE ETHICS THREAD
« Reply #66 on: November 26, 2013, 12:55:01 AM »
dryedmangoez, I do not believe there were any provided examples. That's what made the task so difficult. The teams were only surrounded by laughing children.
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Re: THE AMAZING RACE ETHICS THREAD
« Reply #67 on: November 26, 2013, 02:50:42 AM »
I don't think Amy helping Nicole is the issue, but instead it's Nicole trying to copy Leo's assembled angklung. I don't like what she did but I guess if you're that desperate, you'll do anything.

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Re: THE AMAZING RACE ETHICS THREAD
« Reply #68 on: November 26, 2013, 04:13:54 AM »
Should Travis and Nicole have been penalised for having Amy pretty much complete the roadblock in leg 9 for them? I'm a little unclear on the rules here, I know teams have given each other advice or answers for tasks before but this seemed to me to be the next level. Did it seal the fate of the Ice Queens? definitely. Would they have survived if it hadnt happened? We'll never know.

In my opinion if Nicole cannot complete the roadblock successfully and her team arrives last they should be eliminated rather than:
If Nicole cannot complete the roadblock successfully she can get Amy to essentially do it for her and her team can survive while a team that completed the task independently is eliminated.

What are your thoughts?

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Re: THE AMAZING RACE ETHICS THREAD
« Reply #69 on: November 26, 2013, 05:02:59 AM »
Sometimes, race alliance is part and parcel of the race. Flo in TAR 3 told Ken and Gerard where to find the cluebox in Vietnam, inevitably sealing the wonder twins fate. (even though K/G were not even that close to them)

In TAR 7, Susan and Patrick and Debbie and Bianca ate the meat at the Roadblock and 4 other teams quit, but because the girls were so lost on the drive there.. it sent them packing as well.

I guess there's nothing wrong with Amy helping Nicole. The problem here is even after Amy helped Nicole, Nicole begged her to complete the task for her. Nothing wrong with that as well.. but when audience and viewers are watching it, we get enraged because that was after all the ethics and great righteous people and wonderful parents talk that they engaged in.. only to try to peep and cheat, plus beg for people's help and went on a desperate mode on another team to do the entire task for them. :res:

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Re: THE AMAZING RACE ETHICS THREAD
« Reply #70 on: November 26, 2013, 05:05:09 AM »
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Re: THE AMAZING RACE ETHICS THREAD
« Reply #71 on: November 26, 2013, 06:56:42 PM »
Amy verbally helping Nicole during the instrument assembly is okay and part of the race, but physicallly showing her which piece goes where should be prohibited starting from next season.

As for bug-eyed Nicole trying to cheat off of Leo's angklung, I found that "disgusting" as she wore the orthodox parent role at the beginning of the race and then broke her own words in Indonesia. That act was just SO teenagish and arrogant. It's one thing to U-Turn a team for lying, but it's another to try and copy off the TEAM YOU U-TURNED BY CHOICE.
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Re: THE AMAZING RACE ETHICS THREAD
« Reply #72 on: December 01, 2013, 03:46:16 PM »
So I just read this, if a mod think it shouldn't be posted, by all means delete my post.



I checked the episode again, and the clue was never shown past the question, so we really don't have a way to verify this, Nicole&Travis should've been penalized at the pitstop, not for getting help from another team, not for getting in a different car, but because Nicole didn't follow the rules of the roadblock.

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Re: THE AMAZING RACE ETHICS THREAD
« Reply #73 on: December 01, 2013, 05:32:59 PM »
That's interesting... Time for a TAR what if question when the season ends.
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