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Re: AR22 Transportation
« Reply #175 on: April 22, 2013, 02:40:59 PM »
What the telecast for leg 9 showed on transportation makes perfect sense, as it was multi-modal. Here is what teams did:

Left Grindelwald on the 526am train
arrived Interlaken Ost about 6am
departed Interlaken Ost with min. layover
arrive Basel 734am

switched to fly to Munich IQ2393 BSL MUC 0920 1035
connect in Munich to fly to Dresden CL2104 MUC DRS 1120 1223

So teams would take taxis to the Ministry of Finance and reach their FORD FOCUS cars about 1pm. 
100 miles Dresden to Berlin means arrival there around 3pm.

Editor's note - an alternate approach has been suggested based on the pit stop release really being in Interlaken. The train schedule for an early train from Interlaken West to Basel was:
depart Interlaken West 0526am
arrive Basel 0729am

That is only a slight difference in Basel arrival time and the flight schedule would remain the same.
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Re: AR22 Transportation
« Reply #176 on: April 22, 2013, 04:31:23 PM »
Only flights connecting at Amsterdam or London-Heathrow make sense to me. I have all the flight schedules below.

Here are the possible flights on Dec. 3 from Berlin-Tegel to Amsterdam (TXL AMS):

KL1818   0555 0718
WA1822 1006 1148
KL1824   1413 1535
KL1826   1329 1546


Here are the flights on Dec. 3 from Berlin-Tegel to London Heathrow (TXL LHR):

BA981   0709 0802
LH3372 0739 0829
BA993   1225 1343
LH3374 1243 1344
BA983   1405 1511
BA985   1637 1740
LH3376  1751 1857
BA987    1940 2039

Possible connections for AMS EDI are:

WA1277  0758 0821
KL1879   1025 1137
U2 6922   1307 1336
WA1887  1220 1250
KL1285    1622 1640
KL1283    2127 2159
U2 6924   2144 2203

Possible connections for LHR EDI are:

BA1432    0638 0809
BA1434    0812 0929
BA1442    1050 1224
BA1444    1246 1408
BA1448    1434 1556
BA1446    1510 1632
BA1452    1550 1718
BA1454    1744 1907
BA1458    1834 1950
BA1456    1924 2041
BA1464    2158 2308   

The much heavier schedules make Heathrow a much more probable connecting point than Amsterdam.

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Re: AR22 Transportation
« Reply #177 on: April 22, 2013, 04:41:19 PM »
What time did the sun set in Berlin by those dates? I think it was between Max & Katie's arrival to the Brandenburg Gate and the Joey & Meghan one, I would say later than 3 PM, don't know. Think of all the driving in the city center of Berlin.
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Re: AR22 Transportation
« Reply #178 on: April 22, 2013, 04:58:19 PM »
Sunrise and sunset Berlin
Sunday, December 2, 2012

Morning astronomical twilight   05:51
Morning nautical twilight   06:33
Morning civil twilight   07:16
Sunrise   07:57
Transit   11:56
Sunset   15:55
Evening civil twilight   16:35
Evening nautical twilight   17:18
Evening astronomical twilight   18:00

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Re: AR22 Transportation
« Reply #179 on: April 22, 2013, 07:35:42 PM »
I took a look at 4 other London area airports which offer flights to Edinburgh to see if they also receive flights nonstop from Tegel. London Center, Gatwick, Luton and Stansted do not have any flight arrivals form Tegel. Only Heathrow does have them.


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Re: AR22 Transportation
« Reply #180 on: April 22, 2013, 07:53:57 PM »
You're leaving out obvious information.... taking into account the info from the preview (i.e. a flight arriving at 4, a three hour lead and the fact that the teams were at a lufthansa desk), with a quick flight search lufthansa flight via frankfurt that arrives at 1 and another one via brussels that arrives at 4 are much more likely... No need to make it more complicated than it is apskip...

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Re: AR22 Transportation
« Reply #181 on: April 23, 2013, 12:59:20 AM »
What the telecast for leg 9 showed on transportation makes perfect sense, as it was multi-modal. Here is what teams did:

Left Grindelwald on the 526am train
arrived Interlaken Ost about 6am

I think teams started the leg in Interlaken. They started from the garden of a fairly large hotel, and there was green grass on the ground. Not snow-covered as it was in Grindelwald. And The train station they walk to is Interlaken West.

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Re: AR22 Transportation
« Reply #182 on: April 23, 2013, 03:30:11 AM »
Lufthansa flights arriving at Edinburgh Airport on 3rd December:
FRA Frankfurt   LH 962   Lufthansa    1:00 PM    1:13 PM       Landed   On-time    320   
BRU Brussels   LH 5624   Lufthansa    4:00 PM    3:40 PM       Landed   On-time    319   

The only other one was from Newark which I discounted.

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Re: AR22 Transportation
« Reply #183 on: April 23, 2013, 05:14:12 AM »
Thanks for the explanation apskip......I totally missed the fact that Basel now has scheduled flights. I have never considered it large enough to have those. I have spent time around there.....so bad pre-conceptions. I guess with post Shengen and Mulhouse right across the border in France gives it enough of a passenger base to have scheduled flights.

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Re: AR22 Transportation
« Reply #184 on: April 23, 2013, 06:05:37 AM »
What the telecast for leg 9 showed on transportation makes perfect sense, as it was multi-modal. Here is what teams did:

Left Grindelwald on the 526am train
arrived Interlaken Ost about 6am

I think teams started the leg in Interlaken. They started from the garden of a fairly large hotel, and there was green grass on the ground. Not snow-covered as it was in Grindelwald. And The train station they walk to is Interlaken West.
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Why would World Race Productions record the time of 518am actual departure for the telecast if teams did not start from Grindelwald? This wouldn't be the first time WRP misrepresented the location of the pit stop release, but in this case I doubt that it was anywhere but Grindelwald in this case.


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Re: AR22 Transportation
« Reply #185 on: April 23, 2013, 06:49:50 AM »
What the telecast for leg 9 showed on transportation makes perfect sense, as it was multi-modal. Here is what teams did:

Left Grindelwald on the 526am train
arrived Interlaken Ost about 6am

I think teams started the leg in Interlaken. They started from the garden of a fairly large hotel, and there was green grass on the ground. Not snow-covered as it was in Grindelwald. And The train station they walk to is Interlaken West.
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Why would World Race Productions record the time of 518am actual departure for the telecast if teams did not start from Grindelwald? This wouldn't be the first time WRP misrepresented the location of the pit stop release, but in this case I doubt that it was anywhere but Grindelwald in this case.

Apskip, the leg started in Interlaken, not in Grindewald. If you check on the logo of the taxi that Caroline and Jennifer took to reach the train station it clearly says Interlaken.



The taxi belongs to the A-Taxi-Maeder company, who is based in Interlaken.

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Re: AR22 Transportation
« Reply #186 on: April 23, 2013, 08:31:07 AM »
Apskip, the leg started in Interlaken, not in Grindewald. If you check on the logo of the taxi that Caroline and Jennifer took to reach the train station it clearly says Interlaken.

There are other indications that the start was in Interlaken as well:
* There is green grass on the ground behind the teams when they start. Grindelwald had snow.
* Teams arrive to a closed Interlaken West train station

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Re: AR22 Transportation
« Reply #187 on: April 23, 2013, 08:39:12 AM »
And when Anthony and Bates are asking the taxi driver for another cab, you can see the logo of the company:  Aare-Taxi,



and the telephone number, 0800 55 23 60.  That company is also Interlaken based.

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Re: AR22 Transportation
« Reply #188 on: April 23, 2013, 08:44:12 AM »
Well I agree with the Interlaken pit start. But it is only 12 miles from Interlaken to Grindelwald, so I see the possibility that taxis from Interlaken could be in Grindelwald as a normal course of the day. Heck, some of the drivers could live in Grindelwald. So that arguement doesnt do much for me.........the green grass beneath their feet when getting the clue is more important to me.
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Re: AR22 Transportation
« Reply #189 on: April 23, 2013, 09:04:46 AM »
Well I agree with the Interlaken pit start. But it is only 12 miles from Interlaken to Grindelwald, so I see the possibility that taxis from Interlaken could be in Grindelwald as a normal course of the day. Heck, some of the drivers could live in Grindelwald. So that arguement doesnt do much for me.........the green grass beneath their feet when getting the clue is more important to me.

I think that another key could be find the hotel where the teams go after leaving the Pit Start. The place were the hockey players and the roller derby moms asked for directions.
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Re: AR22 Transportation
« Reply #190 on: April 23, 2013, 02:29:25 PM »
I have been attempting to verify the question "Was there ground cover snow on November 30 in Grindelwald?" Historical snow reports have not been issued for the 2012/13 ski season. My efforts to find an answer have turned up only one gem - the pistes (ski runs) above Grindelwald were expected to open Nov. 17, 2012. That does not provide any resolution of what they were on the quite low elevation for Grindelwald itself.

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Re: AR22 Transportation
« Reply #191 on: April 26, 2013, 08:40:24 AM »
Possible flights from Berlin to Edinburgh:
Lufthansa:
Berlin > Frankfurt > Edinburgh
LH181 Depart Tegel 9:48am > arrive frankfurt 10:57am
LH 962 Depart Frankfurt 12:11pm > arrive Edinburgh 1:13pm

Berlin > Brussels > Edinburgh (code sharing on a Brussels Airline flight)
LH5564 Depart Tegel 12:27pm > arrive Brussels 1:47pm
LH5624 Depart Brussels 3:11pm > Arrive Edinburgh 3:40pm

Berlin > London > Edinburgh
BA991 Depart Berlin 10:55am > arrive Heathrow 12:06pm
BA1444 Depart Heathrow 12:46pm > arrive Edinburgh 2:08pm

There may be more permutations but I think the ones most likely. The Flight from Amsterdam that would have got in at 12:50pm was cancelled.

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Re: AR22 Transportation
« Reply #192 on: April 29, 2013, 12:23:30 AM »
Well the missing day, Dec 2  was an extended stay in Berlin.

Dec 3, 2012
Max/Katie, Bates/Anthony, Caroline/Jennifer
Berlin>Brussels>Edinburgh
SN 2592  6:45 - 8:05   Berlin to Brussels
BM 1628  9:55 - 10:40  Brussels to Edinbrugh

Beth/Mona, Joey/Meghan
Berlin>Frankfurt>Edinbrugh
Six flights from 6:00 to 11:00 am from Berlin to Frankfurt... LH flight #'s (171, 173, 175, 177, 179, 181)
LH 962  12:05 - 1:00 (1:13)
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Re: AR22 Transportation
« Reply #193 on: April 29, 2013, 07:58:46 AM »
Well the missing day, Dec 2  was an extended stay in Berlin.

Dec 3, 2012
Max/Katie, Bates/Anthony, Caroline/Jennifer
Berlin>Brussels>Edinburgh
SN 2592  6:45 - 8:05   Berlin to Brussels
BM 1628  9:55 - 10:40  Brussels to Edinbrugh

Beth/Mona, Joey/Meghan
Berlin>Frankfurt>Edinbrugh
Six flights from 6:00 to 11:00 am from Berlin to Frankfurt... LH flight #'s (171, 173, 175, 177, 179, 181)
LH 962  12:05 - 1:00 (1:13)

I happen to think it could be one day later (Dec. 4) as a result of an extended stay in Switzerland, but that is insignificant as all flights in question are at about the same times. For December 4,

it is, due to both the flight info sign and to actual flight schedules from Tegel to Brussels, SN 2592 0645 0816 TXL BRU connecting to
BM1628 0955 1040.

The later arrival was quite hard to pin down. The originating flight to Frankfurt in the 0850 time frame as specified in the telecast narrative could be either LH177 0855 1001 TXL FRA  or  AB2597 0903 1013. It doesn't matter which it is, since both easily connect to:
 
LH1962 1150 1305 FRA EDI

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Re: AR22 Transportation
« Reply #194 on: April 29, 2013, 08:14:44 AM »
Well the missing day, Dec 2  was an extended stay in Berlin.

Dec 3, 2012
Max/Katie, Bates/Anthony, Caroline/Jennifer
Berlin>Brussels>Edinburgh
SN 2592  6:45 - 8:05   Berlin to Brussels
BM 1628  9:55 - 10:40  Brussels to Edinbrugh

Beth/Mona, Joey/Meghan
Berlin>Frankfurt>Edinbrugh
Six flights from 6:00 to 11:00 am from Berlin to Frankfurt... LH flight #'s (171, 173, 175, 177, 179, 181)
LH 962  12:05 - 1:00 (1:13)

I happen to think it could be one day later (Dec. 4) as a result of an extended stay in Switzerland, but that is insignificant as all flights in question are at about the same times. For December 4,

it is, due to both the flight info sign and to actual flight schedules from Tegel to Brussels, SN 2592 0645 0816 TXL BRU connecting to
BM1628 0955 1040.

The later arrival was quite hard to pin down. The originating flight to Frankfurt in the 0850 time frame as specified in the telecast narrative could be either LH177 0855 1001 TXL FRA  or  AB2597 0903 1013. It doesn't matter which it is, since both easily connect to:
 
LH1962 1150 1305 FRA EDI
It can't have been on the 4th as we had live sighting of teams in Edinburgh on the 3rd
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Re: AR22 Transportation
« Reply #195 on: April 29, 2013, 08:25:29 AM »
Train times Edinburgh to Stranraer:

Services(Showing all 6 services)
Dep     Arr    Ch Duration
07:01 10:50 2 3:49hrs
10:10 13:54 2 3:44hrs
12:50 16:36 1 3:46hrs
14:43 18:38 2 3:55hrs
19:08 23:20 1 4:12hrs
21:13 06:50 1 9:37hrs

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Re: AR22 Transportation
« Reply #196 on: April 29, 2013, 08:31:43 AM »
Here are the schedules on ScotRail for Edinburgh to Belfast. It is a rail/bus/ferry trip according to the website.

05:55   13:453     7:50hrs
10:00   17:453     7:45hrs
14:30    21:453    7:15hrs

Itinerary is train from Edinburgh Waverly to Glasgow Queen Street Station. Then train from Glasgow Central to Ayr. Then bus to Cairnryan. Then ferry to Belfast.

http://tickets.scotrail.co.uk/sr/en/JourneyPlanning/MixingDeck
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Re: AR22 Transportation
« Reply #199 on: May 02, 2013, 10:29:42 AM »
To get teams from Belfast to LHR and from there to Washington-Dulles, here are the flights:

Belfast City BHD to LHR Dec. 6 (probably one of the latest ones)
0645 0757
0719 0831
0911 1006
1212 1322
1354 1550
1445 1555
1718 1807
1825 1953
1945 2106

LHR IAD Dec. 7
UA923 0730 1042   
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