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Re: AR22 Transportation
« Reply #125 on: December 07, 2012, 04:50:04 PM »
The flight to Washington DC Dulles was noted earlier.

Also, I think Thursday December 6th was a standard full and complete leg in London.

So they went Northern Ireland to London on the 5th or the 6th.
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Re: AR22 Transportation
« Reply #126 on: December 07, 2012, 04:54:20 PM »
If my guess about the Naval Observatory as a finish line is anywhere close, then the possibility of teams going to the Greenwich Observatory in London would be a possibility as well.
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Re: AR22 Transportation
« Reply #127 on: December 07, 2012, 05:02:42 PM »
If my guess about the Naval Observatory as a finish line is anywhere close, then the possibility of teams going to the Greenwich Observatory in London would be a possibility as well.

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Re: AR22 Transportation
« Reply #128 on: January 04, 2013, 11:59:01 AM »
Do we know how they went from Scotland to Northern Ireland, did they went with boat????
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Re: AR22 Transportation
« Reply #129 on: January 05, 2013, 07:36:16 AM »
TARFanSurvivor,

You have posed a very interesting question. Let's first examine the possible flights from Edinburgh to both of Belfast's airports on December 5:

EDI BFS U2 482 0657 0742
EDI BFS U2 488 1639 1711
EDI BFS U2 492 2059 2139

EDI BHD BE 682 0731 0801
EDI BHD BE 688 1536 1609
EDI BHD BE 690 1849 1912

There is a reasonable spread of flight opportunities except between 730am and 330pm.

Let's examine how use of the Sterna FASTLINK ferry combined with the Citybus/Ulsterbus would work.

First there is a 3.5 hour bus ride from Edinburgh to Cairnryan on the southwest tip of Scotland. Those schedules are designed to mesh with all ferries except the 4am ferry. Here is the schedule of ferries, each of which takes 2 1/4 hours for the crossing from Cairnryan to Belfast:

0400
0730
1130
1530
1930
2330

So, my bottom line is that AR22 teams could have taken the bus/ferry combination, but most likely they took a flight.
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Re: AR22 Transportation
« Reply #130 on: January 18, 2013, 07:29:51 AM »
It appears that teams did fly from Heathrow to Dulles, which leaves the issue of "How did they get to Heathrow and do tasks in London?" Here are the flights on December 6 which would answered that first question (all these are BHD LHR 6 December):

0645 0757
0719 0831
0911 1006
1212 1322
1354 1550
1445 1555
1718 1807
1825 1953
1945 2106
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Re: AR22 Transportation
« Reply #131 on: February 01, 2013, 11:19:55 AM »
I have taken another look at dates most likely for leaving Maun and going across the pond nonstop to Sao Paulo from Johannesburg. Follow this logic:

Teams cannot arrive before Nov. 26 (yesterday) into Maun if flying nonstop HKG JNB on either:
 CX749 2350 0637+1 (today, Nov. 27th)
 SA287 2347 0713+1

Then the choices to Maun JNB MUB were:
BP212 1140 1320
4Z8310 1155 1345

I expect that this leg or two legs will take 48 hours in Maun. That means these flights back MUB JNB:
BP211 1420 1600
4Z8301 1400 1540

There is the rub, as there is no late afternoon flight to Sao Paulo on Thursdays. Teams will have a layover there until Friday morning Nov. 29:

JNB GRU SA222 1010 1630



We have new information reported by ovalorange that the flight from Johannesburg to Maun was at 4pm on Sunday Nov. 25. However, it appears that there was no such flight JNB MUB.
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Re: AR22 Transportation
« Reply #132 on: February 18, 2013, 01:06:10 PM »
Most of this information was provided earlier in this thread by Kandace, but it is worth duplicating here:

first group of 5 teams gets on Nov. 13 TN101 LAX PPT 2254 0602+1
second group of 6 teams gets Nov. 14 AF76 LAX PPT 0101 0656   

They arrived 54 minutes apart.

There are 4 different Air Tahiti flights PPT BOB, but the only pair that meets the criterion of being 1 hour apart is:
TN402 0900 0950
TN452 1000 1050
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Re: AR22 Transportation
« Reply #133 on: February 25, 2013, 09:18:07 AM »
Leg 2 finished on the morning of Nov. 15. Leg 3 involves flying to Papeete, Tahiti and connecting there to fly on to Auckland and then Christchurch. Here are the possible flights:

11/15 BOB PPT VT294 1145 1235
         BOB PPT VT474 1200 1250
         BOB PPT VT465 1830 1920
         BOB PPT VT404 1845 1935

11/16 PPT AKL NZ41  0455 (almost 3 hours late) 0947 (almost 3 hours late)

         AKL CHC there are 13 flights from noon to midnight     
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Re: AR22 Transportation
« Reply #134 on: March 04, 2013, 09:54:54 AM »
The actual flights with actual departure times corresponding to the scheduled (not actual) departure times from Auckland to Christchurch on Nov. 16 were:

NZ547 1720 1842
NZ545 1802 1926
NZ553 1927 2050

There was one additional flight NZ549 at 1914, but apparently it was full or Chuck and Wynona should have been able to get it.
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Re: AR22 Transportation
« Reply #135 on: March 04, 2013, 11:00:32 AM »
I estimate all teams completed the Christchurch area leg before noon and reached the CHC airport before noon. Basic route options to reach Bali were CHC MEL PER DPS or CHC SYD DPS. Here are the flight combinations that would fit the time frames:

QF769 CHC MEL 1232 1325 connecting with GA725 MEL PER 1435 1810 connecting with QZ8417 PER DPS 2051 0024+1

QF46  CHC SYD 1420 1553 connecting with  JQ37  SYD DPS 1800 2132             

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Re: AR22 Transportation
« Reply #136 on: March 04, 2013, 11:23:49 AM »
Too early Apskip. We know front-runner teams Dave/Connor and Pamela/Winnie (second place!) went through Melbourne and Perth on these flights:

DJ 63 (19 1608-1735, sch 1600-1750) from Christchurch to Melbourne
Dave/Connor: QF 653 (19 2033-2129, sch 2015-2120) from Melbourne to Perth
Pamela/Winnie: DJ 697 (19 2131-2247, sch 2000-2105) from Melbourne to Perth
QZ 8411 (20 0438-0825, sch 0450-0830) from Perth to Bali

Max/Katie also arrived in Bali at the same time. The simplest method is:
EK 419 (19 1653-1808, sch 1655-1815) from Christchurch to Sydney OR
DJ 73 (19 1700-1831, sch 1700-1830) from Christchurch to Sydney
DJ 569 (19 2013-2203, sch 2000-2200) from Sydney to Perth
QZ 8411 (20 0438-0825, sch 0450-0830) from Perth to Bali

Joey/Meghan and at least one other team were sighted exiting the Bali airport parking lot at 11am. There are two flights arriving from Singapore within the hour, and plenty of ways to get from Christchurch to Auckland. I think there should be enough flights for no team to get left behind:
From Christchurch to Singapore
EK 419 (19 1653-1808, sch 1655-1815) from Christchurch to Sydney
SQ 242 (19 1932-0028, sch 1910-0015) from Sydney to Singapore
OR
JQ 166 (19 2046-2218, sch 2100-2240) from Christchurch to Melbourne
SQ 218 (20 0109-0542, sch 0105-0540) from Melbourne to Singapore
OR
NZ 546 (19 1931-2047, sch 1935-2055) from Christchurch to Auckland
SQ 282 (20 0102-0633, sch 0105-0635) from Auckland to Singapore
From Singapore to Bali
VF 241 (20 0759-, sch 0725-1005) from Singapore to Bali
GA 841 (20 0815-, sch 0750-1035) from Singapore to Bali

Some (but not all) less efficient itineraries, if best flights are full
From Christchurch via Melbourne or Sydney to Perth as above
GA 727 (20 0713-, sch 0713-1100) from Perth to Bali
OR
From Christchurch via Auckland, Sydney, or Melbourne to Singapore as above
QZ 8499 (20 0931-1208, sch 0915-1205) from Singapore to Bali

TL;DR: Dave/Connor, Pamela/Winnie, and Max/Katie are first arriving in Bali. The majority of teams is likely to arrive two hours later on one of two flights via Singapore.
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Re: AR22 Transportation
« Reply #137 on: March 04, 2013, 03:55:22 PM »
And can I just say that trying to get all those airports covered on 10 seconds notice about killed me. 3 day leg indeed.  :lol3:
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Re: AR22 Transportation
« Reply #138 on: March 04, 2013, 05:21:54 PM »
Apskip, teams were actually flown from Auckland to Christchurch in different flights on November 18th, not 16th.

The flights of the said destination were the teams got booked (all on the 18th):

Pam/Winnie: NZ547 (1706-1830, scheduled 1700-1820)

Jessica/John, Mona/Beth, Joey/Meghan, Dave/Connor, Max/Katie: NZ543 (1738-1901, scheduled 1730-1850)

Caroline/Jennifer, Bates/Anthony actually booked a flight to Wellington for making a connection to Christchurch:
NZ463 (1802-1902, scheduled 1800-1900) from Auckland to Wellington
NZ367 (1933-2022, scheduled 1930-2015) from Wellington to Christchurch

Chuck/Wynona: NZ553 (1938-2104, scheduled 1930-2050)

Note: Sunset in Christchurch on November 18th was 8:38 pm local time.

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Re: AR22 Transportation
« Reply #139 on: March 06, 2013, 10:06:45 AM »
Claude,

New information from the press in New Zealand (Plaidmoon Re: TAR 22 Ep 3 "Like James Bond Again"
« Reply #119 on: Today at 09:23:10 AM ») does indeed support your dates. The only way you can fit what the article (posted today in a thread higher on this AR22 superthread) is the following:

TN101 depart PPT 17Nov 0805 arrive Auckland 18Nov due to crossing the International Date Line (which I had figured into my earlier calculations) 1525, 2.5 hours delayed

Then the choices for Sunday afternoon and evening AKL CHC were:
NZ547 1701 1830
NZ553 1758 1921
NZ557 1849 2014
NZ553 1930 2104

It appears that there was no way any of the teams could have gone further than the tenting area that night due to their clearing the airport and driving 1 hour to the Rakaia Gorge. If the original schedule of 2.5 hours earlier into Auckland had happened, all teams could have finished leg 3 and then slept in the same tents at the same time, leaving directly for CHC airport in the morning after a "normal" checkin and release.

I don't know for sure if World Race Productions had to change leg 3 to end with a TBC, but it certain appears likely.
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Re: AR22 Transportation
« Reply #140 on: March 09, 2013, 09:10:10 AM »
Earlier flight work for DPS to HAN by both Neobie and me on this thread ignored the most obvious possibility. That is this flight combination:

Nov. 22 QZ8498 DPS SIN 0602 0730 connecting to SQ176 SIN HAN 1001 1215

There are some later flight connections:
QZ8496 DPS SIN 0918 1150 connecting to VN662 1352 1525
SQ941  DPS SIN 0907 1139 connecting to VN662 1352 1525

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Re: AR22 Transportation
« Reply #141 on: March 09, 2013, 09:40:36 AM »
Too early, Apskip.

From the spoiler team in Indonesia teams checked in relatively close to one another, and teams beginning Leg 5 were spotted only later in the morning leaving to Hanoi.
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Re: AR22 Transportation
« Reply #142 on: March 10, 2013, 03:41:14 AM »
Apskip, B/A and C/J weren't in the NZ557 flight from Auckland to Christchruch. According to ZouLy's post at live sightings thread back in November, they were both actually on a two separate flights from Auckland to Wellington and Wellington to Christchurch (see my post above).

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Re: AR22 Transportation
« Reply #143 on: March 17, 2013, 02:20:00 PM »
I am trying to reconcile different dates for the flight combinations from Hanoi to Africa. The departure date could be as early as Nov. 23 if these flights were taken:

If Nov. 23 it could be: HAN HKG QR6880 1725 2121 or HX9016 1900 2200
If Nov. 24 it could be: HAN HKG 529 1935 2230 or HX9016 2003 2237

The connection HKG JNB would be:
for Nov. 23 SA287 2341 0711+1 or CX749 2345 0641+1
for Nov. 24 SA287 2345 0711+1 or CX749 2345 0635+1

The connection JNB MUB would be:
for Nov. 24  or Nov. 25 BP212 1140 1320 or 4Z8300 1145 1325

The return MUB JNB would be most likely on Nov. 26 or 27 be:
4Z8301 1400 1540 or BP211 1420 1600

I remember that there were actual sightings at HKG which would confirm the date for the flights going west and others at JNB which would confirm the date for the flights going north. If anyone can provide those, it would save me a lot of trouble sifting through that thread to find them.
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Re: AR22 Transportation
« Reply #144 on: March 17, 2013, 04:14:58 PM »
But we KNOW the dates for one group anyway?  Check the Timeline for goodies like these, Dom usually has the links to the relevant info there, should all be in the next page or two.

 
 KA296: HAN > HKG @ 1045 - 1335

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 ‏@samanthakuhr 4h @peachrff we flew Dragon Air flight296 at 10.45 from Hanoi. Sitting in airport with them now. I think they're heading to Africa #amazingrace

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Re: AR22 Transportation
« Reply #145 on: March 18, 2013, 12:25:48 PM »
Peach,

That is one I believe a sighting for 2 or 3 teams. What about the rest of them? It is possible that all teams got the same flights, but that bunching on the same first flight is not typical for this stage of an Amazing Race.

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Re: AR22 Transportation
« Reply #146 on: March 18, 2013, 12:46:41 PM »
That's right. They are are on diff flights we believe, But close, not days apart.
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Re: AR22 Transportation
« Reply #147 on: March 25, 2013, 02:03:17 PM »
The connection HKG JNB after the opening flight KA296 HAN HKG would after a 10 hour wait in Hong Kong airport be:

for Nov. 23 SA287 2341 0711+1 or CX749 2345 0641+1
for Nov. 24 SA287 2345 0711+1 or CX749 2345 0635+1

The connection JNB MUB would be:
for Nov. 24 or Nov. 25 BP212 1140 1320 or 4Z8300 1145 1325

It is now apparent that all of episode 7 stays in Botswana. That means that the flights out starting episode 8 will almost certainly be  MUB JNB would be most likely on Nov. 26 or 27:

4Z8301 1400 1540 or BP211 1420 1600

The question of whether the sighting in Switzerland is real or teams go directly to Berlin. I don't know but am going to dig up the prior research on this and add some of my own.

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Re: AR22 Transportation
« Reply #148 on: March 25, 2013, 02:12:28 PM »
The connection HKG JNB after the opening flight KA296 HAN HKG would after a 10 hour wait in Hong Kong airport be:

for Nov. 23 SA287 2341 0711+1 or CX749 2345 0641+1
for Nov. 24 SA287 2345 0711+1 or CX749 2345 0635+1

The connection JNB MUB would be:
for Nov. 24 or Nov. 25 BP212 1140 1320 or 4Z8300 1145 1325

It is now apparent that all of episode 7 stays in Botswana. That means that the flights out starting episode 8 will almost certainly be  MUB JNB would be most likely on Nov. 26 or 27:

4Z8301 1400 1540 or BP211 1420 1600

The question of whether the sighting in Switzerland is real or teams go directly to Berlin. I don't know but am going to dig up the prior research on this and add some of my own.

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Re: AR22 Transportation
« Reply #149 on: March 25, 2013, 02:43:42 PM »
There is an Insider vid saying that teams travelled for 4 days getting to Botswana. :ascared
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