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Re: AR22 Transportation
« Reply #100 on: December 06, 2012, 12:32:35 PM »
MY THEORY OF NONSTOPS FOR FINALES WILL BE THE FOCUS OF THIS POST, WITH BELFAST (BFS) AND SHANNON THE LOGICAL DEPARTURE AIRPORTS (DUBLIN IS TOO FAR).

According to Google maps, Dublin is 103 miles (165 km) from Belfast while Shannon is 239 miles (384 km) from Belfast.

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Re: AR22 Transportation
« Reply #101 on: December 06, 2012, 12:37:10 PM »
Actually, redwings, your data for belfast to shannon and mine too are both way off. The correct number is 177 miles. Dublin is indeed a considerably shorter distance from Belfast.


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Re: AR22 Transportation
« Reply #102 on: December 06, 2012, 12:37:57 PM »
Actually, redwings, your data for belfast to shannon and mine too are both way off. The correct number is 177 miles. Dublin is indeed a considerably shorter distance from Belfast.

I was just using what google maps had for the driving directions which isn't the most direct. Anyway, Dublin should be examined as a possible airport to depart from.

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Re: AR22 Transportation
« Reply #103 on: December 06, 2012, 12:44:46 PM »
NONTSTOP ARRIVAL TIMES FOR TODAY 12/6/12 (see post two above for details of the flights):

UA95 1346
ET135 1502
UA25 1325
BA1 1416
BA3 1804

SO ONE FLIGHT JUST LANDED IN JFK, ONE IS ABOUT TO LAND IN NEWARK AND A SECOND SOON IN JFK. By the time teams clear customs if on the first-arriving flight, there will be only 2.5 hours of daylight in the New York metro area and less in the Boston area. I bet World Race Productions was expecting the Boston flight to be on time and give them another 2.5 hours daylight for filming by using that route.


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Re: AR22 Transportation
« Reply #104 on: December 06, 2012, 01:05:23 PM »
I have reconsidered the viability of Dublin based on the above input from redwings8831. Her are the flights nonstop to the U.S. today:

ATL DL177 0840 1240 (over 1 hour ago)
EWR UA23 0900 1140 (over 2 hours ago)
JFK EI105 1100 1342 (just landed)
JFK DL91  1109 1332 (just landed)
PHL US723 1112 1347 (just landed)
ORD EI125 1307 1538
BOS EI137 1359 1539
JFK EI109  1547 1757
JFK EI10    1606 1754



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Re: AR22 Transportation
« Reply #105 on: December 06, 2012, 02:04:27 PM »
The Finale is NOT in NYC.

And I would also look at connecting any flights from Belfast via Manchester, an easy hop.
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Re: AR22 Transportation
« Reply #106 on: December 06, 2012, 02:10:06 PM »
1:55 pm MAN-PHL

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Re: AR22 Transportation
« Reply #107 on: December 06, 2012, 02:45:43 PM »
Just a while idea in my brain....maybe a finish line at the Naval Observatory in Washington, DC? (It's also the official home of the Vice President.)
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Re: AR22 Transportation
« Reply #108 on: December 06, 2012, 02:49:53 PM »
Just a while idea in my brain....maybe a finish line at the Naval Observatory in Washington, DC? (It's also the official home of the Vice President.)

As long as the Finish Line is outdoors, I'll be happy. So disappointed TAR21 has to end in some hall  :cmas4

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Re: AR22 Transportation
« Reply #109 on: December 07, 2012, 12:28:48 AM »
Leg   Country
1   French Polynesia
2   French Polynesia
3   New Zealand
4   Indonesia
5   Vietnam
6   Vietnam
7   Botswana
8   Botswana
9   Switzerland & Germany
10   Edinburgh & Belfast
11   London England
12   USA

Do you think this is what the route is, Peach?
« Last Edit: December 07, 2012, 09:04:41 AM by DrRox »
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Re: AR22 Transportation
« Reply #110 on: December 07, 2012, 08:30:35 AM »
The Finale is NOT in NYC.

And I would also look at connecting any flights from Belfast via Manchester, an easy hop.

I can take a hint! There is only one relevant flight BFS MAN V2 130 0700 0749
It connects in Manchester with:

MAN PHL VS735 1114 1418
MAN IAD UA101 1155 1521
MAN ATL DL65   1036 1422
MAN MCO VS25  1119 1522

The destinations not consistent with Peach's statement above that it is not NYC are JFK and EWR. I am providing them just in case:
MAN EWR UA 21 0951 1236
MAN JFK   AA211 1047 1328

So, which is it going to be among 3 never-visited destinations? Philadelphia? Washington? Orlando? I discount Atlanta because it has been the site of one Amazing Race finale.

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Re: AR22 Transportation
« Reply #111 on: December 07, 2012, 08:59:14 AM »
I'm sticking with UA 923 leaving LHR at 7:40 am and arriving at Washington Dulles At 11:15 am. :cmas3
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Re: AR22 Transportation
« Reply #112 on: December 07, 2012, 09:06:34 AM »
I'm sticking with UA 923 leaving LHR at 7:40 am and arriving at Washington Dulles At 11:15 am. :cmas3


I am thinking the same thing. I get the feeling that they spent the night at Heathrow, like they did in TAR15.
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Re: AR22 Transportation
« Reply #113 on: December 07, 2012, 10:33:02 AM »
If London is confirmed why are teams going through Manchester?

Manchester is a large airport. It had some interesting direct flights to the USA. It also has lots of flights to London Heathrow if seat availability on the Belfast-London flights were a problem.

Belfast has two airports to use. Belfast International (BFS) and Belfast City Airport (BHD).
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Re: AR22 Transportation
« Reply #114 on: December 07, 2012, 12:49:00 PM »
We do not yet KNOW that they did a London leg...all spec without a sighting.

Manchester was just a thought, I fly in/out of there a lot. Seemed like a good place to check.

BUT based on arr times, Chateau's flight looks like  :winner
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Re: AR22 Transportation
« Reply #115 on: December 07, 2012, 01:04:51 PM »
International flights will go to Dulles and not Ronald Reagan Washington National; I wouldn't use Baltimore-Washington International to get to downtown D.C.
Thought this should be pointed out since D.C., like NYC, has three airports.
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Re: AR22 Transportation
« Reply #116 on: December 07, 2012, 04:35:31 PM »
Working backwards, the first flight into IAD from any UK airport accessible this morning is UA923 LHR IAD 0730 1042

Next working backward, we can see that using BFS, SNN, DUB or MAN do not allow early enough flights directly into Heathrow this morning. That means teams had to fly in last night. I have checked on the alternatives. Manchester as a connection point makes no sense because of the early flight yesterday required from Belfast. There are multiple flights from Shannon or Dublin to Heathrow, but they would require ground transportation to get from Belfast to either one. The logical and sensible approach and therefore the one probably taken was to fly out of Belfast City Airport (BHD). Here is the latest flight last night:

BA1421 BHD LHR 1945 2106

Teams either stayed the night at Heathrow or got a local hotel.

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Re: AR22 Transportation
« Reply #117 on: December 07, 2012, 04:50:04 PM »
The flight to Washington DC Dulles was noted earlier.

Also, I think Thursday December 6th was a standard full and complete leg in London.

So they went Northern Ireland to London on the 5th or the 6th.
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Re: AR22 Transportation
« Reply #118 on: December 07, 2012, 04:54:20 PM »
If my guess about the Naval Observatory as a finish line is anywhere close, then the possibility of teams going to the Greenwich Observatory in London would be a possibility as well.
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Re: AR22 Transportation
« Reply #119 on: December 07, 2012, 05:02:42 PM »
If my guess about the Naval Observatory as a finish line is anywhere close, then the possibility of teams going to the Greenwich Observatory in London would be a possibility as well.

Mount Vernon has became the most-talked destination for now, and one of our member went there and get kicked out of the very tight security guards..

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Re: AR22 Transportation
« Reply #120 on: January 04, 2013, 11:59:01 AM »
Do we know how they went from Scotland to Northern Ireland, did they went with boat????
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Re: AR22 Transportation
« Reply #121 on: January 05, 2013, 07:36:16 AM »
TARFanSurvivor,

You have posed a very interesting question. Let's first examine the possible flights from Edinburgh to both of Belfast's airports on December 5:

EDI BFS U2 482 0657 0742
EDI BFS U2 488 1639 1711
EDI BFS U2 492 2059 2139

EDI BHD BE 682 0731 0801
EDI BHD BE 688 1536 1609
EDI BHD BE 690 1849 1912

There is a reasonable spread of flight opportunities except between 730am and 330pm.

Let's examine how use of the Sterna FASTLINK ferry combined with the Citybus/Ulsterbus would work.

First there is a 3.5 hour bus ride from Edinburgh to Cairnryan on the southwest tip of Scotland. Those schedules are designed to mesh with all ferries except the 4am ferry. Here is the schedule of ferries, each of which takes 2 1/4 hours for the crossing from Cairnryan to Belfast:

0400
0730
1130
1530
1930
2330

So, my bottom line is that AR22 teams could have taken the bus/ferry combination, but most likely they took a flight.
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Re: AR22 Transportation
« Reply #122 on: January 18, 2013, 07:29:51 AM »
It appears that teams did fly from Heathrow to Dulles, which leaves the issue of "How did they get to Heathrow and do tasks in London?" Here are the flights on December 6 which would answered that first question (all these are BHD LHR 6 December):

0645 0757
0719 0831
0911 1006
1212 1322
1354 1550
1445 1555
1718 1807
1825 1953
1945 2106
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Re: AR22 Transportation
« Reply #123 on: February 01, 2013, 11:19:55 AM »
I have taken another look at dates most likely for leaving Maun and going across the pond nonstop to Sao Paulo from Johannesburg. Follow this logic:

Teams cannot arrive before Nov. 26 (yesterday) into Maun if flying nonstop HKG JNB on either:
 CX749 2350 0637+1 (today, Nov. 27th)
 SA287 2347 0713+1

Then the choices to Maun JNB MUB were:
BP212 1140 1320
4Z8310 1155 1345

I expect that this leg or two legs will take 48 hours in Maun. That means these flights back MUB JNB:
BP211 1420 1600
4Z8301 1400 1540

There is the rub, as there is no late afternoon flight to Sao Paulo on Thursdays. Teams will have a layover there until Friday morning Nov. 29:

JNB GRU SA222 1010 1630



We have new information reported by ovalorange that the flight from Johannesburg to Maun was at 4pm on Sunday Nov. 25. However, it appears that there was no such flight JNB MUB.
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Re: AR22 Transportation
« Reply #124 on: February 18, 2013, 01:06:10 PM »
Most of this information was provided earlier in this thread by Kandace, but it is worth duplicating here:

first group of 5 teams gets on Nov. 13 TN101 LAX PPT 2254 0602+1
second group of 6 teams gets Nov. 14 AF76 LAX PPT 0101 0656   

They arrived 54 minutes apart.

There are 4 different Air Tahiti flights PPT BOB, but the only pair that meets the criterion of being 1 hour apart is:
TN402 0900 0950
TN452 1000 1050
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