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Re: AR22 Transportation
« Reply #50 on: November 24, 2012, 12:12:35 PM »
Seems as though Hanoi >>HK>>Bangkok would not be necessary if they could have gone Hanoi>>BKK directly, right?
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Re: AR22 Transportation
« Reply #51 on: November 24, 2012, 12:18:51 PM »
Seems as though Hanoi >>HK>>Bangkok would not be necessary if they could have gone Hanoi>>BKK directly, right?

Yup... i guess so.. I think imposible they must go to hongkong for flight via bangkok, since many flight from vietnam to Bangkok.. So possible way is they go to Johannesburg. I Hope Johannesburg just connection to other city in africa. :fingercrossed:

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Re: AR22 Transportation
« Reply #52 on: November 24, 2012, 01:14:31 PM »
Just a note on Hong Kong airport!

There is only one terminal! The two terminals listed on databases are for check-in purposes only. The transfer area is all one and the same...

If it helps, the plane in the background is CX 838 to Vancouver, which left at 4.24pm from Gate 1...

The racer was sleeping somewhere around Gate 21, which is right next to where the free internet terminals are.
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Re: AR22 Transportation
« Reply #53 on: November 24, 2012, 04:01:10 PM »
Found these two:

(SA) South African Airways 287

(HKG) Hong Kong, HK to (JNB) Johannesburg, ZA
Status:
En-Route - On-time   
Scheduled Departure: Scheduled Arrival:
11:40 PM - Sat 24-Nov-2012  7:05 AM - Sun 25-Nov-2012 
  Estimated Gate Arrival: 
  6:51 AM - Sun 25-Nov-2012

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(CX) Cathay Pacific Airways 749

(HKG) Hong Kong, HK to (JNB) Johannesburg, ZA
Status:
En-Route - On-time   
Scheduled Departure: Scheduled Arrival:
11:45 PM - Sat 24-Nov-2012  6:35 AM - Sun 25-Nov-2012 
Actual Departure:  Estimated Gate Arrival: 
11:45 PM - Sat 24-Nov-2012  6:40 AM - Sun 25-Nov-2012
 
SO arrival within the next 6 hours?? All hands on deck please!!

Current Jo-berg time is Sunday 11/25 12:05 AM
« Last Edit: November 24, 2012, 04:06:13 PM by georgiapeach »
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Re: AR22 Transportation
« Reply #54 on: November 24, 2012, 04:38:17 PM »

I think my post being ignored previously.. -__-"    :tantrum

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Re: AR22 Transportation
« Reply #55 on: November 25, 2012, 08:52:49 AM »
I didn't find any flights from BKK or KUL to JNB late on the 24th or early 25th. Only alternative route is through Singapore, HAN>>SIN>>JNB....it arrives about 30 minutes after the two fights from Hong Kong arrive in JNB. It appears to me that teams are stuck with the near 12 hour layover in Hong Kong......that gives Phil more time separation.
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Re: AR22 Transportation
« Reply #56 on: November 27, 2012, 03:51:05 PM »
With Maun Botswana identified as the next destination point for AR22, the following one should be hypothesized. There are many possibilities within Africa.

The only destinations you can reach directly from Maun are:
Air Botswana    Cape Town, Gaborone, Johannesburg-OR Tambo, Kasane, Victoria Falls
Air Namibia    Victoria Falls, Windhoek
Airlink            Johannesburg-OR Tambo

However, my bet is on this combination for Nov. 29:

Maun to Johannesburg 4Z8301 1400 1540 or BP211 1420 1600
connecting to
SA224 JNB GRU 1810 0030+1 to get to South America

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Re: AR22 Transportation
« Reply #57 on: November 27, 2012, 03:58:33 PM »
With Maun Botswana identified as the next destination point for AR22, the following one should be hypothesized. There are many possibilities within Africa. However, my bet is on this combination for Nov. 29:

Maun to Johannesburg 4Z8301 1400 1540 or BP211 1420 1600
connecting to
SA224 JNB GRU 1810 0030+1

Thanks for the data! I'm almost positive we'll have to say Bemvindos & Adeu, Brasil. As TARflyOnTheWall said, countries do get rewarded, and Brazil is doing it now! Brazil went from A Corrida Milionaria to TARLA and now it is The Amazing Race Brasil!

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Re: AR22 Transportation
« Reply #58 on: November 27, 2012, 06:36:50 PM »
I have taken another look at dates most likely for leaving Maun and going across the pond nonstop to Sao Paulo from Johannesburg. Follow this logic:

Teams cannot arrive before Nov. 26 (yesterday) into Maun if flying nonstop HKG JNB on either:
 CX749 2350 0637+1 (today, Nov. 27th)
 SA287 2347 0713+1

Then the choices to Maun JNB MUB were:
BP212 1140 1320
4Z8310 1155 1345

I expect that this leg or two legs will take 48 hours in Maun. That means these flights back MUB JNB:
BP211 1420 1600
4Z8301 1400 1540

There is the rub, as there is no late afternoon flight to Sao Paulo on Thursdays. Teams will have a layover there until Friday morning Nov. 29:

JNB GRU SA222 1010 1630


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Re: AR22 Transportation
« Reply #59 on: November 27, 2012, 06:40:09 PM »
There is NO confirmation for Sao Paulo OR Brazil at this time. We need more evidence first...
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Re: AR22 Transportation
« Reply #60 on: November 27, 2012, 09:44:59 PM »
Peach, it is possible that teams may have to use Sao Paulo as a connection point to somewhere else in South America.

IIRC, when teams last took a flight out of Brazil to South Africa, the scheduled flights were 6 days a week; but teams had to use different ways of getting to Sao Paulo to fly out. I would think that if the Race is going the obverse way this time, then they would need that route in order to make a connection to another location in South America.

I fully understand we're all speculating at the moment, but it does seem that a south of the Tropic of Cancer route until the last leg or so is falling into place. I dunno but to me it feels right.
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Re: AR22 Transportation
« Reply #61 on: November 29, 2012, 12:39:08 PM »
A summation of flights from Johannesburg to Swiss Alps region.  Nov 28/29

Lufthansa   LH 573   JNB to FRA 7:40 pm  FRA at 5:30 (5:28)

Suisse Air    LX 289   JNB to ZUR   Nov 28 @  8:25pm to 6:10am

South African Airways   SA 264  JNB to MUC   9:25pm to 7:00am (6:32)
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Re: AR22 Transportation
« Reply #62 on: November 30, 2012, 09:01:40 PM »
I am moving ahead to the final flights back to the U.S., which may happen tomorrow or Sunday. Here are the nonstop possibilities from Zurich:

JFK (both days)  LX16 1050 1255
                        AA65 1210 1325
                        LX14 1300 1600

BOS (both days) LX52 1735 2045

EWR (both days) UA979 1020 1240
                        LX18 1725 2020

PHL (both days) US711 1015 1345

IAH (both days) UA937 1145 1220

ATL (Sunday only) DL67 0950 1445

MIA (both days) LX2666 0940 1435
                       LX64     1320 1805   

The earliest arrival time is Washington DC, which would provide maximum daylight hours to camera shots.

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Re: AR22 Transportation
« Reply #63 on: November 30, 2012, 09:11:10 PM »
Maximum is 8-9 legs finished ....
« Last Edit: November 30, 2012, 09:17:23 PM by georgiapeach »
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Re: AR22 Transportation
« Reply #64 on: November 30, 2012, 09:37:27 PM »
They started on Nov 13..........they have only been filming 17 days......... :lol3: :lol3: :lol3: :lol3:
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Re: AR22 Transportation
« Reply #65 on: November 30, 2012, 09:44:12 PM »
We do need to look ahead...will this be a 21 day race?? Or perhaps even longer at 23 or 24? ???

Do we count the 13th as day 0 or day 1?? Questions...
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Re: AR22 Transportation
« Reply #66 on: December 01, 2012, 06:39:28 AM »
Maximum is 8-9 legs finished ....
I think it all depends on the number of legs in Vietnam and the number of legs in Maun. If both were 2 (and there was time in each place for that to happen), then the flight into Switzerland with its subsequent tasks there would have been leg 10 and another leg in Switzerland leg 11. Such a short race has never happened before, but you cannot say that it is not possible. World Race Productions is trying to save production costs and what better way than a shorter in time race?


Note: Peach has issued a count of legs up to Maun than is one shorter than mine.

I have Bora Bora 2
Christchurch 1
Indonesia 1
Vietnam potentially 2
Maun potentially 2

That gives a maximum of 8 before the legs above and means that my count is off by one (or more if the assumptions for Hanoi and Maun are incorrect).
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Re: AR22 Transportation
« Reply #67 on: December 01, 2012, 08:38:28 AM »
I think it all depends on the number of legs in Vietnam and the number of legs in Maun. If both were 2 (and there was time in each place for that to happen), then the flight into Switzerland would have been leg 10 and the leg in Switzerland leg 11. Such a short race has never happened before, but you cannot say that it is not possible. World Race Productions is trying to save production costs and what better way than a shorter in time race?

How are you counting that please? Why would we count the FLIGHT to Switz as a leg? ???

I am looking at
Bora Bora>>2 Leg 1 and 2
Christchurch>>1 Leg 3
Bali>>1 Leg 4
Vietnam>> 2 (vs slim chance of 1 + very extended pitstop) Leg 5 and 6 (vs slim chance of just 5)

Here is where is gets muddy. We had a LOT of time in Africa. At least 4 FULL days. Dep HK 11/24 and Phil is seen in Switz 11/29 making us think teams are pitstopping/starting travel that day)
 
Botswana>>2 (plus an extended Pitstop, vs some slim chance another location??) Leg 7 and 8 OR 6 and 7 OR 7, 8, 9 OR 6, 7, 8 if you consider ALL options :lol:

Switzerland>>1 Prob Leg 9 (some slim chance of 8 or 10)
 
So...we should have 3 legs left by my best guess.... possible but not likely could have 4 or 2
And this is all based on a 12 leg race, nothing to say they couldn't use 13 even! (I know...but we can assume NOTHING)
 
Am I missing anything? ???
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Re: AR22 Transportation
« Reply #68 on: December 01, 2012, 08:41:29 AM »
Maximum is 8-9 legs finished ....
I think up to and including Vietnam was 6 legs.
Botswana I think was 4 days so must be 2 legs.
So Switzerland is probably leg 9
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Re: AR22 Transportation
« Reply #69 on: December 01, 2012, 03:55:12 PM »
I don't know if teams are in Berlin now or if they arrived from Zurich. However, if they did fly today on that route I do know a few things:

The airport they could land at is Texel (TXL). The flight choices were:

AB8121 0642 0801
LX926   0850 1018
LH966  1240  1401
AB8211 1452 1611
LX970   1631 1748
LX978  1740  1926
LH962  2040  2159

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Re: AR22 Transportation
« Reply #70 on: December 01, 2012, 05:39:53 PM »
Trains would be good here too...a moving pitstop location?
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Re: AR22 Transportation
« Reply #71 on: December 01, 2012, 07:39:50 PM »
A couple of interesting trains.

1) high speed ICE train....from Interlaken to Berlin. Leaves Interlaken Ost at 7:00pm arrives in Berlin Hbf at 7:19 am.

2) Night sleep train from Zurich to Berlin. Leaves Zurich Hbf at 7:42 pm and arrives at Berlin Hbf at 7:19 am. Teams would have to get to Zurich from Interlaken on Swiss Inter-Regional trains first.

The two trains follow different routes. The ICE train goes all the way north to Hannover, then turns east to Berlin. The Night Sleeper turns in Frankfurt and goes NE to Berlin.

I didn't look for other times......just entered 1800 in the German Rail website to look for possible trains. If we had some more finite times, we can probably get a better idea on exact trains. But the potential for a rolling pit stop does exist.
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Re: AR22 Transportation
« Reply #72 on: December 01, 2012, 08:20:55 PM »

Uhmm.. I think I saw a subway station just in fornt of / in the radius of our pit stop in Kufdamm, Berlin, maybe looking at the networks might give a little hint?

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Re: AR22 Transportation
« Reply #73 on: December 01, 2012, 09:25:58 PM »
 They would have run a whole leg by that point right? Where they arrive is usually no where near where they finish. Am I missing something?
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Re: AR22 Transportation
« Reply #74 on: December 01, 2012, 09:27:10 PM »
A couple of interesting trains.

1) high speed ICE train....from Interlaken to Berlin. Leaves Interlaken Ost at 7:00pm arrives in Berlin Hbf at 7:19 am.

2) Night sleep train from Zurich to Berlin. Leaves Zurich Hbf at 7:42 pm and arrives at Berlin Hbf at 7:19 am. Teams would have to get to Zurich from Interlaken on Swiss Inter-Regional trains first.

The two trains follow different routes. The ICE train goes all the way north to Hannover, then turns east to Berlin. The Night Sleeper turns in Frankfurt and goes NE to Berlin.

I didn't look for other times......just entered 1800 in the German Rail website to look for possible trains. If we had some more finite times, we can probably get a better idea on exact trains. But the potential for a rolling pit stop does exist.

Odd that checkin time was so late then. But I LOVE train legs!
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