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Re: AR22 Transportation
« Reply #25 on: November 19, 2012, 06:34:02 AM »
Earliest possible:

(QZ) Indonesia AirAsia 8411

(PER) Perth, WA, AU to (DPS) Denpasar Bali, ID
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4:50 AM - Tue 20-Nov-2012  8:30 AM - Tue 20-Nov-2012 
 
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Re: AR22 Transportation
« Reply #26 on: November 19, 2012, 09:50:16 AM »
I'm pretty certain Phil was on this flight, 19 Nov:
QF 46 from Christchurch to Sydney, 1430-1555
JQ 37 from Sydney to Bali, 1735-2100

For the teams, Perth's pretty much the best option to Bali, arriving tomorrow morning (20 Nov). A connection through Singapore is possible, but it arrives a few hours later. Plenty of ways to get to Perth:

DJ 63 from Christchurch to Melbourne 1600-1750 (scheduled 1608-1735)
QF 653 from Melbourne to Perth 2033-2129 (scheduled 2015-2120) *Team FatherSon spotted*
DJ 697 from Melbourne to Perth 2131-2247 (scheduled 2000-2105) *Team NotAsian spotted*
QZ 8411 from Perth to Bali (scheduled 0450-0830)

EK 419 from Christchurch to Sydney 1653-1808 (scheduled 1655-1815)
DJ 73 from Christchurch to Sydney 1700-1831 (scheduled 1700-1830)
DJ 569 from Sydney to Perth 2013-2157 (scheduled 2000-2200)
QZ 8411 from Perth to Bali (scheduled 0450-0830)

NZ 805 from Christchurch to Brisbane 1555-1705 (scheduled 1540-1630)
QF 767 from Brisbane to Perth 2211-0124 (scheduled 1950-2305)
DJ 474 from Brisbane to Perth 2012-2345 (scheduled 2015-2245)
JQ 980 from Brisbane to Perth 2037-0006 (scheduled 2025-2345)
QZ 8411 from Perth to Bali (scheduled 0450-0830)
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Re: AR22 Transportation
« Reply #27 on: November 19, 2012, 01:02:16 PM »
Everyone's a little confused by the short amount of time in Christchurch, but could it simply be because of a delayed flight?

The plan was to get teams from Tahiti to Christchurch on TN 101, 17 Nov 0805-1255. They'd then connect to a domestic flight, arriving in Christchurch sometime between 4.05pm and 5.20pm. Sunset's at 8.33pm, so there's still plenty of time to film up the leg, ending just around sunset. Phil can then take a flight out the next morning (Christchurch to Melbourne 0630-0820, Melbourne to Bali 0920-1225, connections through Sydney or Brisbane possible too) and have the afternoon for his stand-ups. The teams leave in the evening for Bali, arriving the morning of 20 Nov.

But a delay on the Tahiti flight delays it by two and a half hours. Meaning the original Auckland-Christchurch tickets teams booked are void, and they have to scramble for tickets again. This results in teams having to take flights like the 7.30pm (it's 7.30pm departure, not 7.30pm arrival), arriving in Christchurch at 9.04pm, too late for any outdoor tasks.

So everything's pushed over to the next morning, and Phil misses his flight, giving us his late arrival in Bali (photo via Leafsfan and Itsmekrissybebe) after his replacement flight from Christchurch via Sydney to Bali, arriving at 9.06pm. Sorry Phil, no time padding to do your stand-ups this leg!

Since keeping teams in New Zealand for too long would screw up the schedule even further, I think they shortened the Pit Stop (or, as some may have suggested, eliminated it completely) so they can make the flights at around 4pm to Australia. Note that they did not arrive before 2.30pm, or they'd be on the same flight as Phil and arrive a day early.

So I don't think the short Pit Stop time in Christchurch was planned!
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Re: AR22 Transportation
« Reply #28 on: November 20, 2012, 08:49:50 PM »
I wonder if straggling teams took a later Perth to Bali flight:
GA 727 from Perth to Bali: 0715-1100

Or if they did this convoluted route through Singapore?
NZ 805 from Christchurch to Brisbane: 1540-1630 or
DJ 73 from Christchurch to Sydney: 1700-1830 and DJ 989 from Sydney to Brisbane: 2000-2030
SQ 246 from Brisbane to Singapore: 2345-0545
VF 241 from Singapore to Bali: 0725-1005 or
GA 841 from Singapore to Bali: 0750-1035

Anyone else surprised that DadSon and NotAsian are in the front?
« Last Edit: November 20, 2012, 08:53:31 PM by Neobie »
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Re: AR22 Transportation
« Reply #29 on: November 21, 2012, 04:04:48 AM »
Exploring ways to get into Vietnam from around 11am in Bali:

TO HANOI
Bali to Singapore 1255-1530, Singapore to Hanoi 1605-1815 (very short connection)
Bali to Kuala Lumpur 1355-1650, Kuala Lumpur to Hanoi 1915-2130

TO HO CHI MINH CITY
Bali to Singapore 1255-1530, Singapore to HCMC 1605-1705 (very short connection)
Bali to Singapore 1300-1535, Singapore to HCMC 1740-1845
Bali to Kuala Lumpur 1310-1605, Kuala Lumpur to HCMC 1710-1805 (short connection)
Bali to Kuala Lumpur 1355-1650, Kuala Lumpur to HCMC 1850-1945

So no matter what (there may be more flights) teams arrive in Vietnam at the night of 21 Nov.

Something earlier will allow for:
Bali to Singapore 0915-1150, Singapore to HCMC 1315-1415
And then possibly HCMC to Hanoi, 1525-1730
or
Bali to Singapore 0915-1150, Singapore to Da Nang 1355-1420
And then possibly Da Nang to HCMC 1605-1715 or Da Nang to Hanoi 1535-1645
« Last Edit: November 21, 2012, 04:20:28 AM by Neobie »
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Re: AR22 Transportation
« Reply #30 on: November 21, 2012, 06:01:27 AM »
My flights work confirmed what Neobie has stated, adding in the flight numbers and correcting the airport codes (we knew where you meant, Neobie, but standard references are to 3 character codes). The earliest arrivals come from flights leaving DPS at 915am or 1pm:

SQ941 DPS SIN 0915 1150
VN650 SIN SGN 1415 1415
and if teams go on to Hanoi, here is the flight they will take
VN1170 SGN HAN 1700 1900

SQ943 DPS SIN 1300 1635
SQ186 SIN SGN 1740 1845
and it teams go on to Hanoi, here is the flight they will take
VN1180 SGN HAN 2200 2200

MH714 DPS KUL 1310 1605
VN680 KUL HAN  1915 2130
« Last Edit: November 21, 2012, 06:16:54 AM by apskip »

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Re: AR22 Transportation
« Reply #31 on: November 21, 2012, 06:04:26 AM »
My flights work confirmed what Neobie has stated, adding in the flight numbers and correcting the airport codes (we knew where you meant, Neobie, but there are no 4 character codes).

Apskip, I would like to point out that there are 4 character airport codes, they are ICAO codes. Most small airports that don't have IATA (3 character) codes have ICAO ones. for instance, Melbourne's IATA code is MEL and its ICAO code is YMML.
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Re: AR22 Transportation
« Reply #32 on: November 21, 2012, 06:05:47 AM »
My flights work confirmed what Neobie has stated, adding in the flight numbers and correcting the airport codes (we knew where you meant, Neobie, but there are no 4 character codes).

Apskip, I would like to point out that there are 4 character airport codes, they are ICAO codes. Most small airports that don't have IATA (3 character) codes have ICAO ones. for instance, Melbourne's IATA code is MEL and its ICAO code is YMML.

OK, airlinesguy, where is the 4 character code for HCMC?

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Re: AR22 Transportation
« Reply #33 on: November 21, 2012, 06:07:42 AM »
My flights work confirmed what Neobie has stated, adding in the flight numbers and correcting the airport codes (we knew where you meant, Neobie, but there are no 4 character codes).

Apskip, I would like to point out that there are 4 character airport codes, they are ICAO codes. Most small airports that don't have IATA (3 character) codes have ICAO ones. for instance, Melbourne's IATA code is MEL and its ICAO code is YMML.

OK, airlinesguy, where is the 4 character code for HCMC?

HCMC isn't an ICAO registered airport, but I think it stands for Ho Chi Minh City.

EDIT: My bad. HCMC is ICAO registered for Candela airport in Somalia.
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Re: AR22 Transportation
« Reply #34 on: November 21, 2012, 10:43:57 AM »
In case the teams are spread out, here's what we have going to Hanoi:
DPS-SIN 0915-1150 SIN-SGN 1315-1415 SGN-HAN 1525-1730
DPS-DMK 1155-1515 BKK-HAN 1735-1920
DPS-DMK 1155-1515 BKK-HAN 1835-2025
DPS-KUL 1355-1650 KUL-HAN 1915-2130
DPS-SIN 1445-1720 SIN-SGN 1930-2035 SGN-HAN 2155-2355
DPS-KUL 1650-1945 KUL-SGN 2050-2140 SGN-HAN 0600-0810
DPS-KUL 2155-0050 KUL-HAN 0615-0815
DPS-SIN 2220-0050 SIN-HAN 0800-1020
DPS-CGK 2255-2340 CGK-MNL 0055-0555 MNL-SGN 0720-0855 SGN-HAN 0945-1155

Less efficient flights:
(DPS-SIN 1300-1535 SIN-SGN 1740-1845 SGN-HAN 2000-2200)
(DPS-SIN 2135-2359 SIN-SGN 0655-0800 SGN-HAN 0945-1155)
(DPS-BKK 1610-1925 DMK-HAN 0700-0840)
(DPS-BKK 1610-1925 BKK-HAN 0745-0930)

So if teams go to Hanoi, all we need is an Hours of Operation to close up about ten hours' gap!

Not looking at Ho Chi Minh City for now, but similar principles!
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Re: AR22 Transportation
« Reply #35 on: November 21, 2012, 05:02:59 PM »
Here's the best I can help with Neobie's request :

Tuesday, 20 November 2012, Bali (GMT +8 ) local time,
- 3.00PM all teams are still doing the roadblock task,
- 5.00PM the first four teams checked-in, didn't really know when the 1st team checked-in
- 7.00PM the leg ended with the last team checked-in, here Phil directly transferred to the hotel 'for a while', which again, we don't know for how long before he went to the airport

Wednesday, 21 Novermber 2012, Bali (GMT +8 ) local time,
- 12.00-1.00PM teams spotted at Ngurah Rai Airport, with the word 'Jakarta' (CGK) came out too in the tweet

For me take minimum of 30minutes after the latest tweet above for airport check-in and custom immigration, and we had approx. 1.30PM teams start boarding (or later),

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Re: AR22 Transportation
« Reply #36 on: November 21, 2012, 05:59:05 PM »
Zouly,

One thing is crystal clear from study of the flight alternatives: the shortest and best routes between Denpasar Bali and either Ho Chi MInh City or Hanoi do not connect through Jakarta. They connect through Singapore or Kuala Lumpur.

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Re: AR22 Transportation
« Reply #37 on: November 21, 2012, 06:42:15 PM »
Could it be (as is often the case) that production is deliberately sending the teams through Jakarta in order to let production get to Vietnam ahead of them using the more direct connections?
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Re: AR22 Transportation
« Reply #38 on: November 21, 2012, 06:49:03 PM »
No,,, the word 'Jakarta' (CGK) came out too in the tweet just because his uber error so the location that guys who tweeted is wrong. He said that he saw the team in Ngurah Rai going to Vietnam didn't connect through JKT (CKG)

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Re: AR22 Transportation
« Reply #39 on: November 21, 2012, 07:04:13 PM »

There.. The above confirmation from chal_uf answered this confusion of Jakarta  :tup:

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Re: AR22 Transportation
« Reply #40 on: November 24, 2012, 01:19:36 AM »
At least two teams were on this flight from Hanoi to Hong Kong

VN 592 taking off at10:40 am and arriving at 1:53 pm (actual).

Dragonair KA 296 taking off at 10:45 am and arriving 2:25 pm (actual).

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Re: AR22 Transportation
« Reply #41 on: November 24, 2012, 01:21:26 AM »

Throwing out options from HKG :

DIRECT FLIGHTS :

- JNB Johannesburg - SA 287 - South African Airways   Depart: 11:40 PM Arrive: 7:05 AM
- JNB Johannesburg - CX 749 - Cathay Pacific Airways   Depart: 11:45 PM Arrive: 6:35 AM


1 CONNECTION :

Via Dubai

earliest flight out:

- DXB Dubai   - EK 383 - Emirates   Depart: 5:55 PM Arrive: 11:10 PM

earliest flight out to African countries (Sun 25-Nov-2012):

- ADD Addis Ababa - ET 3623 - Ethiopian Airlines  Depart: 2:30 AM Arrive: 5:30 AM
- NBO Nairobi - KQ 311 - Kenya Airways  Depart: 2:35 AM Arrive: 6:40 AM
- MRU Mauritius   - EK 701 - Emirates   Depart: 3:10 AM Arrive: 9:40 AM
- JNB Johannesburg - EK 761 - Emirates   Depart: 4:40 AM    Arrive: 10:50 AM
- ACC Accra - EK 787   - Emirates   Depart: 7:25 AM Arrive: 12:25 PM
- CMN Casablanca (Morocco) - EK 751   - Emirates   Depart: 7:50 AM Arrive: 12:50 PM

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Re: AR22 Transportation
« Reply #42 on: November 24, 2012, 01:22:40 AM »
Teams might be able to get on:
CX 731 from Hong Kong to Dubai 1640-2145

These destinations would be better served from Bangkok, so if teams were taking the best flight, we can rule these out:
Nairobi via HKG and DXB arrives 0640 (HAN-BKK-NBO arrives 0610)
Lagos via HKG and DXB arrives 1255 (HAN-BKK-NBO-LOS 1115)
Entebbe via HKG and DXB arrives 1240 (HAN-BKK-NBO-EBB arrives 0910)
Luanda via HKG and DXB arrives 1450 (HAN-BKK-NBO-LUN arrives 1005)
Dar Es Salaam via HKG and DXB arrives 1455 (HAN-BKK-NBO-DAR arrives 0945)
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Re: AR22 Transportation
« Reply #43 on: November 24, 2012, 01:25:36 AM »
At least two teams were on this flight from Hanoi to Hong Kong

VN 592 taking off at10:40 am and arriving at 1:53 pm (actual).

Make that 3 teams:

- Alabama
- Blue Blonde girls
- FLorida spec'd

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Re: AR22 Transportation
« Reply #44 on: November 24, 2012, 06:52:01 AM »
There are many other destinations in Africa I can think of, but the most prominent one that I think has been visited only once by an Amazing Race (AR6) is Addis Ababa Ethiopia. That is where I would go if I were World Race Productions.

Fight information to ADD depends on when team arrived HKG and were able to get to connecting points:
Via BKK the best is not until ET619 0140+1 0610+1
Via DXB it may have been possible for some earlybird teams to catch ET605 1350 2055 but most would have ET3613 0230+1 0530+1

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Re: AR22 Transportation
« Reply #45 on: November 24, 2012, 07:37:29 AM »
They didn't take the Dubai flight... So that must mean Johannesburg (and onwards)?
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Re: AR22 Transportation
« Reply #46 on: November 24, 2012, 10:48:20 AM »
We have the flight they arrived on now in Live spoilers thanks to the twitterer, also SHE was a the gate leaving for LA and we have a pic of Alabama snoozing>>can we figure the racer gate from that and hence the flight??
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Re: AR22 Transportation
« Reply #47 on: November 24, 2012, 10:56:37 AM »
t1 terminal is where flights left for Los Angeles today.

Only air Mauritius and Air Ethiopia fly from there. Johannesburg is terminal 2
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Re: AR22 Transportation
« Reply #48 on: November 24, 2012, 11:17:14 AM »
Since Los Angeles flight in T1.
There is flight to Johannesburg from terminal 1 at 23.45 pm with flight number CX749. Other flight to africa in T1 is
- Ethiopian Air (ET 609) via Bangkok departure 21.52 pm
- Kenya Airways (KQ861) via Bangkok departure 22.00 pm


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Re: AR22 Transportation
« Reply #49 on: November 24, 2012, 12:10:01 PM »
Since Los Angeles flight in T1.
There is flight to Johannesburg from terminal 1 at 23.45 pm with flight number CX749. Other flight to africa in T1 is
- Ethiopian Air (ET 609) via Bangkok departure 21.52 pm
- Kenya Airways (KQ861) via Bangkok departure 22.00 pm

Sorry but

A Kenya leg possibly  :yess:
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