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Re: AR21 Transportation
« Reply #175 on: November 26, 2012, 10:34:11 AM »
Moscow (SVO) to Amsterdam (AMS) flights.........

Chips direct
SU 2250  10:45 am to 12:15pm(booked)   11:05am to 12:31pm(actual)

Trey/Lexie via Larnaca, Cyprus
1) SU 2070  6:01am to 8:20am
2) CY 498    9:20am to 1:05 pm

N and N via Rome
1) AZ 595   5:50am-7:45am
2) AZ 108   8:55am to 11:30am (booked)   9:10am-11:43am (actual)

Abbie/Ryan via Frankfurt
1) SU 2306  9:26am to 10:41am
2) WA 1766 11:21am to 12:39pm  (missed connection--it left 9 minutes early)
3) LH  992   12:55pm to 2:05pm   (per episode canceled, mechanical problem, it actually flew later that day)
4) WA 1768  2:34pm to 3:47pm

Farmers  via Oslo
1) SU 2230  11:22am to 11:38am
2) KL 1146   2:25pm to 4:05 pm
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Re: AR21 Transportation
« Reply #176 on: November 29, 2012, 08:58:18 PM »
Trains leave Schiphol Airport for Amsterdam Centraal station all morning, afternoon and evening with a frequency of every 15 to 20 minutes. Th trip takes about 15 minutes.

Schiphol would also surely be the "outlying station" you refer to, Dr. Rox. It could be other large cities in the Netherlands such as Rotterdam/The Hague, Eindhoven or Groningen. However. few if any of them have any direct flights from Eastern Europe.

apskip....I think you have been smokin some bad caca tonight. Schipol is not an outlying station. For gods sake it, is in an Amsterdam surburb as you well know. No, you have no idea what my outlying station is......simpley because I dont know what it is..........so maybe you should stop trying to intrepret other people's ideas and stick to your own.....as wrong as they are most of the time.

Hmm! What does episode 9 tell us? Was it really some "outlying station" not to include the obvious Schiphol Airport?  Who is smoking bad caca?

However, I am equally guilty. take a look at post 142 in this thread which stated my belief that all 5 teams should be using nonstop flights from Sheremetyevo to Amsterdam.
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Re: AR21 Transportation
« Reply #177 on: November 29, 2012, 09:18:37 PM »
I have gone back to look at the ferry schedules for Tuesdays (and probably almost everyday) Palma to Barcelona. There are numerous flights throughout the day. There are only 2 mid-day ferries which will get to Barcelona in time for the Talgo train:

Acciona 1200 1930
Balearia 1239 1945

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Re: AR21 Transportation
« Reply #178 on: November 30, 2012, 01:53:24 PM »
I can go with the flow when I found out that the date assumptions made earlier for the nonstop AMS PMI were not applicable and no nonstops existed yesterday or today. No problem!

Here are the flights teams could have taken AMS BCN on 12 June:
HV5181 0617 0820  Nadiya/Nadine
VY8318 0723 0930  Jaymes/James
KL1065 0754 1009  Trey/Lexi
HV5135 0951 1200  Josh/Brent
plus several more

The ferry schedules Barcelona Palma are crystal clear:
one ferry per day on Balearia 2300 0630+1
one ferry per day on Acciona 2300 0700+1
The teams were shown actually sailing on the Balearia ferry.
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Re: AR21 Transportation
« Reply #179 on: November 30, 2012, 02:11:14 PM »
There are approximately hourly flights from Palma de Mallorca back to Barcelona.

Teams may have the option of taking these ferries, which are tight on arrival versus train departure:

Balearia 1230 1945
Acciona 1200 1930

Talgo train departure is from Barcelona-Eastacio de Franca at 2043 and arrives Orleans 0716 (note - there is no need to go to Paris since you would just turn around and come back). The smart thing to do (remember AR1) is to get off in Orleans, which is a much shorter distance from Tours than Paris is. The earliest train from Orleans to Tours is 0740 arriving 0856. Tours is the center of the Loire chateau region.

Chateau Chenonceau is approximately a half hour TER train ride from Tours, but the distance is short enough that taxis could be used.
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Re: AR21 Transportation
« Reply #180 on: December 03, 2012, 12:41:45 PM »
I have been working with the current SNCF train schedules and I found only these 2 direct trains between Tours and Chenonceux:

1400 1424
1445 1518

I have no access to older summer SNCF schedules. There may be a plethora of trains in the tourist season and that would have provided many morning alternatives for AR21 teams arriving on June 14. this information does increase the probability that teams took taxis to get around the Loire Valley.
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Re: AR21 Transportation
« Reply #181 on: December 10, 2012, 12:51:20 PM »
The flight that was taken by the final 3 AR21 teams was AR22 CDG JFK 0820 0957.

The individuals who on this thread on either June 15 or June 16 mentioned AF22 were me, Xarles, dpe and Dr. Rox. There was a reference to earlier postings postulating about this flight, but they are not on this thread so I could not locate them.

Note: I have corrected an error due to Dr. Rox' comment below.
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Re: AR21 Transportation
« Reply #182 on: December 10, 2012, 03:40:49 PM »
The flight that was taken by the final 3 AR21 teams was AR22 CDG JFK 0820 0957.

The individuals who on this thread on either June 15 or June 16 mentioned AR22 were me, Xarles, dpe and Dr. Rox. There was a reference to earlier postings postulating about this flight, but they are not on this thread so I could not locate them.

I think you mistyped the flight code.........it was AF 22....not AR22.

I checked current train schedules and there is not a middle of the night train from Tours (St Pierre des Corps) to CDG, so I suspect that the taxis took them all the way to CDG. It is about a 3 hour drive and 180 miles.
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Re: AR21 Transportation
« Reply #183 on: December 10, 2012, 06:30:33 PM »
I agree that I had a typo when it should have been AF22. The telecast did show an AA plane.  The first American Airlines flight was AA45 1202 1423.

I agree that the teams would have gone all the way to CDG from Tours by  taxi. Someone mentioned they received $500 for that leg. That would be the reason why.

 

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Re: AR21 Transportation
« Reply #184 on: December 20, 2012, 10:48:10 AM »
I agree that I had a typo when it should have been AF22. The telecast did show an AA plane.  The first American Airlines flight was AA45 1202 1423.

I would rather think that they actually used the AA flight. Things which indicate this are:
  • Teams waited by an AA counter when Josh & Brent arrived at the airport
  • We see teams enter an AA plane (at least the internal seat design match)
  • The telecast featured lost of shots of AA planes:)
  • Teams were spotted at Coney island at 15:26, which fits nicely with at 14:23 arrival.

I also assume that the decoy teams made their runs before the real teams arrived so they could be ready at the finish line in case somebody had an amazing memory for words and flew through the final road block. This would explain the sightings which occurred before the AA flight landed.


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Re: AR21 Transportation
« Reply #185 on: December 20, 2012, 06:07:58 PM »
One way to analyze has the logic as follows:

Sunset was 2030 in NYC on June 16, 2012
Disembarking from the plane and getting though customs was at least 30 minutes (and probably more)
Distance to Coney Island indicate it should take about 15 minutes
Finding and interpreting the postcard appeared to take 15 to 30 minutes
the 7 mile trip to Brooklyn Navy Yard on a Saturday would take about 30 minutes
safety setup for the ROADBLOCK was the major time here, probably about 15 minutes
taxi to Lombardi's Pizza took about 15 minutes
Pizza Delivery took at least 30 minutes
taxi to United Nations Building took about 15 minutes
final ROADBLOCK at UN took at least 2.5 hours, slightly more for Josh/Brent and more for Jaymes/James and Trey/Lexi.

That totals 5.25 hours, which makes the AA flight possible although AF22 has provides a great deal more buffer time.
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Re: AR21 Transportation
« Reply #186 on: December 21, 2012, 03:00:22 AM »
After looking at the episode again....it most likely was AA45. The plane they entered had a big ONE WORLD decal right by the door........which is American's group. The interior matched all the AA 767s I have flown to South America for the last 15 years.

The Air France flight would have made a good flight to get Production, Phil and Twins to NYC ahead of the racing teams.

This was posted at 11:38am NYC time, so sort of implies that Phil was on the AF flight that arrived at 10am.
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I guess if Phil had a helicopter waiting, he could have made the AF 8 the night after the Pit Stop at Chenonceaux on the 15th.
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