Topic: TARAus2 Episode 2 (India) Discussion *SPOILERS*

[BayBay]

EP02: Philippines to New Delhi, India
EVIDENCE: Here

Film Date: NOV 21 - ?
Air Date: 6th JUNE 2012

Leg Route/Tasks:
ROUTE INFO: Take a Penafrancia Bus to Manila Airport and then fly to New Delhi, India
TIMING: Afternoon of 21st November
EVIDENCE: Here

ROADBLOCK?: Driving Test
EVIDENCE: Advertisement

ROUTE INFO?: Cow milking task
EVIDENCE: Preview

DETOUR?: Transportation of clay pots OR Manure patties (possibly similar to TAR 18)
EVIDENCE: Advertisement, preview and TARA3

PITSTOP: Kutab Minar
EVIDENCE: Here
ORDER: Older couple (first), M/M and M/M (darker skin) - somewhere in between, young man and woman (last)

Winners of Leg: Sue and Theresa
Safe from Elimination at End of Leg: Shane and Andy, Paul and Steve, Grace and Joseph, Joanne and Michelle, Lucy & Emilia, Sue and Theresa, Ross & Tarryn, Sam and Geoff, Adam & Dane, James & Sarah
Possibly Eliminated: Kym and Donna

[BayBay]

NEXT TIME ON TARAUS 2

• - Fly to Delhi, India
• - Bollywood Dancing, Italian sisters crying
• - James and Sarah fighting
• - Milking cow roadblock
• - One team cannot be checked in, 'one teams race is cut short'??

TV GUIDE - The adventure continues as the teams head for India. Sparks fly when one couple struggles to navigate the chaotic streets of Delhi, while another team trips up milking cows. And could a breach of the race rules prove very costly for one pair?

[ZouLy]

ROUTE SUMMARY

EP02: Philippines to New Delhi, India
EVIDENCE: Here

Film Date: NOV 21 -
Air Date: TBA

Leg Route/Tasks:
ROUTE INFO: Take a Penafrancia Bus to Manila Airport and then fly to New Delhi, India
TIMING: Afternoon of 21st November
EVIDENCE: Here

ROADBLOCK?: Driving Test
EVIDENCE: Advertisement

DETOUR?: Transportation of clay pots OR Feed the Fire (make 50 traditional fuel patties made from water buffalo manure and then slap them against a wall to allow them to dry)
EVIDENCE: Advertisement and TARA3, TAR 18 Varanasi task

ROUTE INFO: ? Milking cows
EVIDENCE: Leg-2 preview

PITSTOP: Kutab Minar
EVIDENCE: Here
ORDER: Older couple (first), M/M and M/M (darker skin) - somewhere in between, young man and woman (last)

Winners of Leg: Sue and Theresa
Safe from Elimination at End of Leg: Shane and Andy, Paul and Steve, Grace and Joseph, Joanne and Michelle, Lucy & Emilia, Sue and Theresa, Ross & Tarryn, Sam and Geoff, Adam & Dane, James & Sarah
Possibly Eliminated: Unknown

[ZouLy]

saved for Preview video from hotriceguy! 

[Glamazon Racer]

I noticed one of the teams performing the 'Feed The Fire' task during the preview shown at the end of the last episode! But I didn't quite see who it was...

[ZouLy]

I noticed one of the teams performing the 'Feed The Fire' task during the preview shown at the end of the last episode! But I didn't quite see who it was...

I'm not quite sure either, there's a subtitle covering his face..   

[Glamazon Racer]

For some reason I think that could be Ross, although it's hard to tell...

[BayBay]

There is already a thread available for this discussion - location needs to be removed from title, let's move discussions there

[selfeviction]

Do we know who is at risk for elimination?

[BayBay]

Wonder if the sisters will have a NEL penalty?

[apskip]

BayBay,

Now that we know the second leg is New Delhi, India can the thread title be changed from "(Location withheld)"?

[bottle]

Wonder if the sisters will have a NEL penalty?

i don''t think so and BTW Wikipedia proves that there's not penalty. cuz they're saying they just saved )

[supah]

my spec for the episode:

RI: Travel by bus to Manila Airport and fly to Delhi, India. Once there make your way to _______
RI: Learn and perform a Bollywood dance routine. If the choreographer is satisfied with your performance, you will get your next clue
RB: Have a driving lesson so you can get your Indian driver's license
RI: Make your way to Agrasen ki Baoli
DETOUR: Make manure patties and stick them to a wall OR collect milk from a cow
RI: Make your way to the next Pit Stop, Qutub Minar

Notes:
- hopefully someone can track down the location of the Bollywood challenge? I was thinking somewhere in Humayun's Tomb 
- i saw Paul and Steve in the promo at Agrasen ki Baoli if you were wondering why it was there
- Kym and Donna will be eliminated

[BayBay]

BayBay,

Now that we know the second leg is New Delhi, India can the thread title be changed from "(Location withheld)"?

Hey apskip,

As per last season rules we decided to hold off putting the location in the thread name until a few days after airing as to not spoil it for people who dont want to be spoiled (since we don't have a spoiler/non-spoiler section for taraus!!)

[BayBay]

Wonder how production went about visas for the contestants? I know that Indian visas take a while to process coz I got one last year to go on a holiday there! (we know that grace and Joseph had 2 weeks between notification of being in the race and the start line) Also they put a sticker in your passport!

[apskip]

BayBay,

Now that we know the second leg is New Delhi, India can the thread title be changed from "(Location withheld)"?

Hey apskip,

As per last season rules we decided to hold off putting the location in the thread name until a few days after airing as to not spoil it for people who dont want to be spoiled (since we don't have a spoiler/non-spoiler section for taraus!!)

BayBay,

The episode was available here Wednesday morning. I posted my note Saturday night, 3.5 days later. That would seem to fit your rules. It sure would be nice for someone to post those rules explicitly rather than just assume that everyone knows them. So, is a "few days" 2 days or 3 days?

[selfeviction]

Why are Kym & Donna speculated to be eliminated this leg??

[supah]

Why are Kym & Donna speculated to be eliminated this leg??

they are the only team not seen after this episode 

[supah]

THE RB FROM TARASIA3 LEG 9 WILL APPEAR AS A ROUTE INFO THIS EPISODE
it will be at the AGRASEN KI BAOLI

it was in Paul and Steve's clip on the website
will try screen cap it

[Declive]

young man and woman (last)

(James and Sarah???)

[supah]

all the promos Channel 7 are showing are making a big deal about 'breaking the rules'

my spec is that the eliminated team (which we think is Kym and Donna) broke a rule, and they have to wait out a penalty. James and Sarah are the last team to check in (our spotter said the last couple was a young man and woman), however since Kym & Donna are waiting out a penalty, James and Sarah are still in the game

This would explain in the promo, Sarah and James are at the Pit Stop and Sarah is looking puzzled and shocked and she seems to be looking around for something (the team waiting out a penalty probably)



LOL check out those eyebrows 

[supah]

http://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/tv-and-radio/the-amazing-race-australia-wednesday-june-6-20120605-1ztkv.html

Here is an excerpt from the article above talking about tonight's episode

This week's episode is typically entertaining. Faced with what at times feels like insurmountable odds in rural India, the teams demonstrate impressive resilience. Well, most of the time. Like most Race episodes, tensions are mollified by the odd meltdown.

[theamazingracer21]

Ajustad time slot : 9:06 pm

[ZouLy]

basing on the promo, I think we're gonna see a relationship meltdown and couple's breakdown...

oh wow, what an episode to watch... especially India.. what can you ask more? 

[BayBay]

BayBay,

Now that we know the second leg is New Delhi, India can the thread title be changed from "(Location withheld)"?

Hey apskip,

As per last season rules we decided to hold off putting the location in the thread name until a few days after airing as to not spoil it for people who dont want to be spoiled (since we don't have a spoiler/non-spoiler section for taraus!!)

BayBay,

The episode was available here Wednesday morning. I posted my note Saturday night, 3.5 days later. That would seem to fit your rules. It sure would be nice for someone to post those rules explicitly rather than just assume that everyone knows them. So, is a "few days" 2 days or 3 days?

The rule has no effect on you if you have seen the episode. It only applies to people who do not want to be spoiled. Discussion over

[ZouLy]

because this has a spoiler in it, I guess it's best to put tonight's commentary show here.. 

[ZouLy]

OKAY.. START!


Previously, 11 teams race out of Sydney..

...........


11 teams reamiin who will be eliminated next...


INTRO...



Position :

Ross & Tarryn   
Kym & Donna   
James & Sarah   
Sue & Teresa   
Sticky & Sam   
Joseph & Grace   
Michelle & Jo   
Shane & Andrew   
Adam & Dane   
Paul & Steve   
Lucy & Emilia

[howie_2010]

Have they done away with roadblocks this season or something?!

[supah]

so confused right now......

i was positive that the driving test was an RB for this episode..

and now our speculated boot order is completely changed because Kym and Donna are safe, when we were sure they were going to be eliminated.. im glad theyre still in because i love them!!

still confused though...

[ZouLy]

so confused right now......

i was positive that the driving test was an RB for this episode..

and now our speculated boot order is completely changed because Kym and Donna are safe, when we were sure they were going to be eliminated.. im glad theyre still in because i love them!!

still confused though...

well, as soon as I realized that there are more tasks when we try to match them in between the preview and the spoiled sightings/promos, then I thought we're gonna have 2 legs in India...

but I don't know in which one that the driving roadblock will take place.. now we know i'ts for Leg-3.. 

[Obbyz]

Still wondering how come the cops catch up so fast?

[Dånooky]

Two episodes in and no Roadblocks? That's got to be a first.

[zeeyyy]

Still wondering how come the cops catch up so fast?

I think they got a good 2nd taxi driver, not like the 1st driver who took them for a ride, literally. 

[zeeyyy]

I don't understand why Adam & Dane were disqualified becos per http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Amazing_Race#Money :-

"If team members spend all of their money or have it taken away in a non-elimination Leg, they may try to get more money in any way that does not violate the local laws. This includes borrowing money from other teams, begging from locals or selling their possessions. Since season seven, teams have been prevented from begging at United States airports. Additionally, teams may not use their personal possessions to barter payment for services."

Unless the above applies to TAR US editions only? ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Amazing_Race_Australia ) = "Most of the rules and penalties are adopted directly from the American edition; but in some of cases, the Australian version has been seen to have a unique set of additional rules." 

[Topita]

I don't get that part where people are getting so upset with their taxidrivers.
I mean I get why you're annoyed and don't want to pay rip off prices but once a guy has that attitude anyway (i.e. rip off the rich tourist), just stop the taxt/tuktuk, give the guy what you owe him and get a new one..

Just jumping into a new one or making a scene in the middle of the street generally will get you know where as history has proven time and again. I totally get why the rush of the race gets the adrenaline pumping and the feeling that someone is ripping you off is definitely very annoying - so I get the urge to do what they and Sarah did, but the point is, it's just going to cost you heaps of time.

And that's the one thing you just have even less of than money in a race.. 

[Topita]

I don't understand why Adam & Dane were disqualified becos per http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Amazing_Race#Money :-

"If team members spend all of their money or have it taken away in a non-elimination Leg, they may try to get more money in any way that does not violate the local laws. This includes borrowing money from other teams, begging from locals or selling their possessions. Since season seven, teams have been prevented from begging at United States airports. Additionally, teams may not use their personal possessions to barter payment for services."

Unless the above applies to TAR US editions only? ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Amazing_Race_Australia ) = "Most of the rules and penalties are adopted directly from the American edition; but in some of cases, the Australian version has been seen to have a unique set of additional rules." 

Hmmm I was actually pondering the same thing. It's kind of a gray area I guess, where they are making the rules as they come along and judge it per situation. I remember a similar situation I think on TAR where a team got 4 hours penalty for selling their stuff too.
So I can see why they want to be consistent, but at the same time, the begging for money wasn't a problem before and now this is. It does feel a little off, especially since this is the second time a team has gotten themselves into real trouble (this time alas fatally so) by being clearly ripped off by a taxidriver.

I'm not sure whether this is just naivety of some of these teams in how to deal with taxidrivers in some countries (i.e. negotiate a price in advance often works better even if they have a taximeter, because the taximeters can have different increments, they'll just change it if they think their ride can afford it in some cases..) . In places like India that is definitely something to be aware of. Yet I kinda doubt that the other teams took a lot of precautions of this type either. 

Either way I agree with you that it seems muddled waters really, when sometimes it sways in someone's favor and sometimes it doesn't. It feels even more off because they otherwise ran a decent enough leg and were out by just a few minutes, beaten by some teams that did significantly worse. 

[kiki]

"If team members spend all of their money or have it taken away in a non-elimination Leg, they may try to get more money in any way that does not violate the local laws. This includes borrowing money from other teams, begging from locals or selling their possessions. Since season seven, teams have been prevented from begging at United States airports. Additionally, teams may not use their personal possessions to barter payment for services."

Unless the above applies to TAR US editions only? " 

That's completely wrong. In TAR US the racers are strictly prohibited of selling or bartering their own possessions. Look what happened in TAR 14 in Bangkok, Mark and Michael, had no money and they bartered some items to pay for two taxi rides so they were issued 2 penalties each for 2-hours.
In comparison to that the 30 minutes penalty to Adam and Dane was not much.

Plus don't trust wikipedia, as far as I know there's never been an official rule book.

[redskevin88]

I don't understand how the teams could be "scheduled to land" at 12:50am, when flight status show that their flight landed at 1:00am (with a 16-min delay). 

They took PR 752, which was delayed in Bangkok for 36 mins, and departed at 10pm on time in Bangkok and landed in Delhi at 1:16am (16 minutes delayed)

http://s738.photobucket.com/albums/xx23/kevinmail25/Amazing%20Race%20Photos/?action=view&current=tarleg2flight.jpg

[zeeyyy]

Plus don't trust wikipedia, as far as I know there's never been an official rule book.

Point noted but without wiki, where else can I check the facts? 

[kevin2012]

Plus don't trust wikipedia, as far as I know there's never been an official rule book.

Point noted but without wiki, where else can I check the facts? 

I've read somewhere (I think on TARfly) that teams are told specific rules but are not allowed to reveal them. I guess there is no way to truly know the Amazing Race Rulebook unless you're on the show yourself.

This incident occurred in season 14 of the american version to Mark and Michael, so I'm not surprised that rule applies here/

Plus, the result is not terribly disastrous, the sisters are still in. 

[zeeyyy]

Plus, the result is not terribly disastrous, the sisters are still in. 

To me, when a "race" is mentioned, I always thought that the "fittest" will prevail, & these sisters are just not that type, but they sure are LUCKY! 

For 2 successive legs they came in last but were saved by a pass & a penalty. 

I would prefer that for the cousins to be in the race to "check" the so-called alpha guys... 

[ZouLy]

I've read somewhere (I think on TARfly) that teams are told specific rules but are not allowed to reveal them. I guess there is no way to truly know the Amazing Race Rulebook unless you're on the show yourself.

If so, then we can assume that most of the racers did not pay attention while the production team explained and described each and every details of the rules, because they are "Literally" don't know or maybe forget    some of them may thought "we just sold some of our stuff, we don't really know if it's breaking the rules or not, we just see if there's any consequences at the pit stop.."

but yeah, when you're racing , your mind could go all over the place, all you want to do is to get yourself secured and get into the next leg.. so we should accept both from the production point of view and from the racers point of view, they're all have their own points.. 

[zeeyyy]

If so, then we can assume that most of the racers did not pay attention while the production team explained and described each and every details of the rules, because they are "Literally" don't know or maybe forget   

This is Dane's exit interview ( http://au.tv.yahoo.com/the-amazing-race-australia/news/article/-/13864963/elimination-interview-with-dane-adam/ ) when he was asked "What advice would you give to people who want to sign up for The Amazing Race Australia?"
 
He said: "READ THE CLUE! (and the RULES)..."

[Glamazon Racer]

As much as I liked Adam & Dane, I thought the 30-minute penalty was exceptionally lenient, considering Mark & Michael as kiki said.

[Jimmer]

My opinion on the "selling possessions rule"

You may not sell any personal items that you brought will you for the race how ever you may sell any possessions that you bought with the Race money.

[Topita]

As much as I liked Adam & Dane, I thought the 30-minute penalty was exceptionally lenient, considering Mark & Michael as kiki said.

Hmmm not sure if I would call it that, I think it was in proportion to the leg tbh.
I mean there wasn't any long distance travelling involved if I remember correctly, no flights or other big things to trip the others up (well apart from taxi drivers ripping people off and crazy traffic, but nothing that would make a 2 hour difference for example).

Had they gotten a much larger penalty they would have simply been out of the race without a fighting chance. As it stands I think the last teams to come in actually did a poor job of it to finish almost half an hour after the others because the tasks were not that hard, physically . Frustrating to some degree maybe but definitely do-able imho. 

[SuperTux]

Has this season canceled the RoadBlock setting?

[paldog123456]

Has this season canceled the RoadBlock setting?

Probably not. TAR 15 did a similar format, with the first 2 legs only having Roadblocks (instead of Detours like in TARAUS) and additional tasks.

[Glamazon Racer]

As much as I liked Adam & Dane, I thought the 30-minute penalty was exceptionally lenient, considering Mark & Michael as kiki said.

Hmmm not sure if I would call it that, I think it was in proportion to the leg tbh.
I mean there wasn't any long distance travelling involved if I remember correctly, no flights or other big things to trip the others up (well apart from taxi drivers ripping people off and crazy traffic, but nothing that would make a 2 hour difference for example).

Had they gotten a much larger penalty they would have simply been out of the race without a fighting chance. As it stands I think the last teams to come in actually did a poor job of it to finish almost half an hour after the others because the tasks were not that hard, physically . Frustrating to some degree maybe but definitely do-able imho. 

Well that's a fair point, but I like consistency, so I would rather see the same penalty for the same crime, although it's understandable that the rules would differ between different international versions.

[apskip]

I don't understand how the teams could be "scheduled to land" at 12:50am, when flight status show that their flight landed at 1:00am (with a 16-min delay). 

They took PR 752, which was delayed in Bangkok for 36 mins, and departed at 10pm on time in Bangkok and landed in Delhi at 1:16am (16 minutes delayed)

http://s738.photobucket.com/albums/xx23/kevinmail25/Amazing%20Race%20Photos/?action=view&current=tarleg2flight.jpg

redskevin,

I don't see what your problem is. The data you have presented show that flight PR752 on some date in late November (and I assume you mean Nov. 21) had a scheduled departure of 10pm. PR752 is consistently late in departing and on that night it did not until 1020pm. Then there is a 1.5 hour time difference between Thailand and India. The actual flight is scheduled to arrive at 1am, but is also consistently late. So PR 752 on the date in question  actually arrived at 116am India time. I see nothing unusual about that.   

[zeeyyy]

from http://www.realityravings.com/2012/06/08/the-amazing-race-australia-clarification-of-the-rules/

Channel Seven on the issue of the cousins' 30-min penalty:-

"One of the many challenges of the race is budgeting and using the leg money effectively.

Under the rules contestants can earn money using their skills, can try to negotiate fees and payments and can also ask people for money.

However they cannot sell items they have brought on the Race with them. This is in order to create a level playing field.

It should be noted that none of the other teams ran out of money on that leg."

[Jobby]

Okay before watching the episode: Gut feeling tells me one of the all female teams will be gone by the end of this leg.

And Paul and Steve (is it their names lolol) will be pissing me off!!

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Delhi, India? Are they trying to exhaust and kill the teams!!

So the first 8 teams reached the pitstop 1 hour between each other... They tried to make the teachers seemed really close to each other... but they are 1 hour apart. OMG.

[Jobby]

Kym and Donna are awesome! They are more than a bit awesome!

Oh my. Poor Sticky and Sam... can't hold the bowl and the cow keeps stepping on it!

[Jobby]

Hairdressers are first now. OMG. Who would have thought!

Father and daughter kicking ass with Detour done in second!

Kym and Donna are doing it right!

Shane and Andrew are lost. Paul and Steve refused to helped? WTF?

Lucy and Emilia are just too nice!

Sticky and Sam completed the Bollywood task FIRST? THAT WAS SHOCKING!

May Paul and Steve struggle like mad!

And it's PITSTOP!

[Jobby]

HAIRDRESSERS ARE DONE?? WTF!

So proud of them!

Hairdressers in first place now! OMG!!

Michelle and Jo are done! THIRD. OMG!

Sticky and Sam are first! I'M SO PROUD OF THEM!!!!

Michelle and Jo are nearly in first place??

TWINS IN SECONDZ!!!

Oh dear I think Adam and Nate can't check in without paying their cab??

They are not allowed to sell their stuff!!

Teachers are 7th and done!

Paul and Steve are done. EW.

How did Andrew and Shane become 7th???

I think the teachers are toast again.

What the hell. Adam and Dane are eliminated? That was crazy!!!

[Jobby]

PS: I am really shocked the teachers are barely alive with 2 minutes left in Adam and Dane's penalty!

And I was right about Adam and Dane being an early boot!