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Re: AR21 Transportation
« Reply #50 on: June 11, 2012, 04:41:13 PM »
Yes, Alenaveda, I did inadvertently write down Dec. when I meant June. I'm sure I was channeling AR20 And ARAus2. Rest assured that all the flight information was from the June dates. I have corrected it on my post. Thanks for your keen eyesight.
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Re: AR21 Transportation
« Reply #51 on: June 11, 2012, 04:57:30 PM »
@eulaelie
My mum was on the same flight as the contestants of The Amazing Race. She should've taken photos...
2 hours ago

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She was sitting next to the cameraman, spoke to the contestants and ahhhhh so interesting!!!!
2 hours ago

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Supposedly gorgeous cameramen... (:lol:)
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Contacting them as we speak!

The tweeter has replied and has said the flight was on June 2nd and teams traveled from Singapore onto Dhaka, Bangladesh! :hearts:

ETA: The flight was SQ446 from Singapore -> Dhaka. Their mum apparently talked to our goatie/biker couple (apparently they're from Georgia!) labeled "Unknown & Kelly(?)" in the Timeline thread :tup:

Just moving this over here for later analysis/intrepretation, since it deals with transportation.
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Re: AR21 Transportation
« Reply #52 on: June 11, 2012, 05:52:48 PM »
Dr. Rox's point, although unstated, was that the information that teams connected in Colombo had to be inaccurate because SQ446 was a nonstop from Singapore to Dhaka, departing 2037 arriving 2235 on June 2.

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Re: AR21 Transportation
« Reply #53 on: June 12, 2012, 12:30:53 PM »
CMB was misinformation, I believe.
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Re: AR21 Transportation
« Reply #54 on: June 13, 2012, 03:17:30 PM »
For those who believe that you have to connect in Barcelona or Madrid to get to Mallorca from Amsterdam, that is incorrect. Here is today's morning flight:

Transavia 5629 AMS PMI 0632 0856

There is also an evening flight which might have been used last night:

Vueling 2902 AMS PMI 1905 2134
 


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Re: AR21 Transportation
« Reply #55 on: June 13, 2012, 03:23:29 PM »
There are those who are calling for examination of flight combinations from Mallorca to the U.S. I think that is foolish because AR21 is not ready to finish yet. There is probably one more location and it can be anywhere in Europe or west Africa or Central America or even South America. Also, the U.S. final destination could be a wide range of places. I do hope that it will be an East Coast city.

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Re: AR21 Transportation
« Reply #56 on: June 13, 2012, 03:39:10 PM »
There are those who are calling for examination of flight combinations from Mallorca to the U.S. I think that is foolish because AR21 is not ready to finish yet. There is probably one more location and it can be anywhere in Europe or west Africa or Central America or even South America. Also, the U.S. final destination could be a wide range of places. I do hope that it will be an East Coast city.

This remind me of something you previously posted, and I start to think is right:

At the moment, I suspect Amsterdam is the tenth leg.
I think we've had two legs each in Indonesia, Bangladesh, Turkey, Russia.
I can see the Netherlands being a single leg to set teams up for a leg in the Americas somewhere, or countries in the Atlantic Ocean/Caribbean Sea before returning to the U.S.

It's anyone's guess. However, let me point out that Amazing Races almost always end on either a Saturday or a Sunday in the U.S. If the final location before the finale is in Europe, then he flights would take off early morning in Europe to land late morning U.S. My point is that I think there are another 3 legs in Europe, Africa, South America or Central America before the finale. That means that there were no second legs in Russia or in Turkey.
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Re: AR21 Transportation
« Reply #57 on: June 13, 2012, 06:02:48 PM »
We should have at least one more leg.
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Re: AR21 Transportation
« Reply #58 on: June 15, 2012, 06:30:08 AM »
I have some ideas on where the next leg could be. The one major city in Europe never visited by an Amazing Race is Madrid and another is Seville.

The major destinations from Mallorca are Germany, the mainland in Spain and the United Kingdom. Air Berlin holds the majority of destinations at the airport, including Alicante, Amsterdam, Barcelona, Frankfurt, Hamburg, Madrid, Valencia, Seville and Murcia. Air Europa offers flights to Granada, Malaga, Paris-Orly and Rome-Fiumicino, and Iberworld flies to Aberdeen. Easyjet and Ryanair, two very popular low-cost airline companies offer a number of destinations from the airport as well. Other prominent airline carriers departing from Palma de Mallorca Airport include Lufthansa, Thomas Cook Airlines, Thomson Airways, Norwegian Air Shuttle, Bmibaby, Jet2 and Vueling.

When I look at today's departures (yesterday's would be similar), I found only 2 nonstop to Seville, although you can connect in Madrid to get there. These nonstops were at 1515 this afternoon and at 2215 tonight.

To Madrid there are a wealth of flights:
0636
0820
0929
1015
1235
1240
1515
1540
1905
2025
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Re: AR21 Transportation
« Reply #59 on: June 15, 2012, 08:05:27 AM »
Since they are in Spain....I started researching flights "Across the Pond." There are lots of them to many destinations......but two just sort of stuck out to me.......they might not stick out to anyone else, fwiw

US 743   Barcelona to Philly.......arrives at 1 pm.....plenty of time to run a leg after that.
US 741   Madrid to Phily ...........arrives avg between 2-3 pm.......lots of light.

June 21 is longest day of the year.....and as the_schnauzers has posted already......the higher the latitude.......the longer the day.

Plus it would be fun to watch the TAR winners run up the "Rocky Steps!!"

Won't happen....but would still be fun.
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Re: AR21 Transportation
« Reply #60 on: June 15, 2012, 09:43:46 AM »
Since they are in Spain....I started researching flights "Across the Pond." There are lots of them to many destinations......but two just sort of stuck out to me.......they might not stick out to anyone else, fwiw

US 743   Barcelona to Philly.......arrives at 1 pm.....plenty of time to run a leg after that.
US 741   Madrid to Phily ...........arrives avg between 2-3 pm.......lots of light.

June 21 is longest day of the year.....and as the_schnauzers has posted already......the higher the latitude.......the longer the day.

Plus it would be fun to watch the TAR winners run up the "Rocky Steps!!"

Won't happen....but would still be fun.


Lots of East coast speculation, which I think would be interesting, but lots of other options.

11:55 am → 2:15 pm MAD-ORD S M T W T F S Iberia 6275

 1:00 pm → 4:30 pm MAD-DFW S M T W T F S American 37

to mention a few

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Re: AR21 Transportation
« Reply #61 on: June 15, 2012, 12:03:42 PM »
dpe,

Yes there are flights to the Midwest (ORD and DFW) from MAD, but my personal bet is that it is long overdue for an East Coast destination from Europe to be the way teams teams. So, here is a comprehensive list of times for Madrid departures to the major East Coast airports, except for Orlando which has no nonstop flights from Madrid:

BOS - on Sunday 1355

JFK - on Saturday: 1225 1350 1650; on Sunday, same + 1730

EWR - on Saturday and Sunday 1135

PHL - on Saturday and Sunday 1220

IAD - on Saturday and Sunday 1100

ATL - on Sunday 1100

MIA - on Saturday 1100 1200; on Sunday same + 1425

I know that World Race Productions likes to bring teams home as early as possible in the day, due to traffic and making spotting them more difficult. My conclusion is that Washington is the most probable destination, having never had either an Amazing Race first or last leg.


 
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Re: AR21 Transportation
« Reply #62 on: June 15, 2012, 12:47:50 PM »
Washington would be a very visible location don't you think? plus, this time of year it's packed with visitors, but most of the big cities will be packed.  would make an interesting ending city.

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Re: AR21 Transportation
« Reply #63 on: June 15, 2012, 12:59:25 PM »
dpe,

There are places in any metropolitan area which are more secluded and less open to viewing by outsiders. Washington has many of those. I do not expect WRP to attempt the Mall or near any of the Smithsonian Museums. WRP has done a very good job in AR1 (NYC Queens), AR4 (Phoenix), AR5 (Fort Worth), AR13 (Portland) and AR19 (Atlanta) of finding parks or private grounds where the finish line could go undetected.

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Re: AR21 Transportation
« Reply #64 on: June 15, 2012, 01:12:36 PM »
I haven't seen any photographic evidence that places teams in France. Nevertheless, since the race is likely to return to the U.S. in the next 24 or 48 hours it is prudent to examine the possible flights from Paris-CDG to East Coast cities. Here they are (all except Orlando being both Saturday and Sunday):

BOS 1325 1335 1910

JFK 0820 1025 1130 1350 1355 1635 1710 1810 1830

EWR 0925 1305

PHL 1130 1825

IAD 1035 1205 1530

CLT 1110

ATL 1055 1330 1600

MCO 1355 (Sunday only)

MIA 1000 1055

This time, due to more earlier times than for Madrid, I think a wider range of cities makes good sense. I could see Newark, Philadelphia, Washington or Charlotte being the finale metro area. Because JFK, Atlanta and Miami have all hosted Amazing Race finales, I don't think they will be selected this time.

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Re: AR21 Transportation
« Reply #65 on: June 15, 2012, 01:21:52 PM »
...prudent to examine the possible flights from Paris-CDG to East Coast cities...

Remember the Orly/Charles de Gaulle case?

It should be prudent that we check out all combinations.

Paris: CDG, ORY, LBG
NY: JFK, EWR, LGA
DC: IAD, BWI...

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Re: AR21 Transportation
« Reply #66 on: June 15, 2012, 02:04:33 PM »
Xarles,

Feel free to check out all those possibilities. I do not have the time to do so. I can tell you that I flew to/from Orly to the U.S. almost 30 years ago, but flights have changed and there are few U.S. East Coast to/from Orly today.

Wasn't Le Bourget last used in 1927 when Charles Lindbergh landed there?

If you have ever landed at LaGuardia you would know how short its runways are and why no flights to/from Europe are scheduled from there. I provided details for both JFK and EWR, so I am confident that the NYC metro area airports are covered. 

I have never heard of any European flights landing at BWI but at least that is a decent sized airport. I will take a look at that one only.

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Re: AR21 Transportation
« Reply #67 on: June 15, 2012, 02:16:01 PM »
Xarles,

Don't be confused by the "International" in Baltimore/Washington International Airport. It's not. There is one flight from Europe arriving from London apparently every day, but that's it. THERE IS DEFINITELY NOTHING FROM CDG.

The only other international flight arrivals that I spotted were from Toronto (there's 2), Punta Cana, Cancun and Montego Bay.

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Re: AR21 Transportation
« Reply #68 on: June 15, 2012, 02:29:30 PM »
10:35 am → 12:55 pm CDG-IAD S M T W T F S Air France 28
12:25 pm → 3:09 pm CDG-IAD S M T W T F S United 915
4:30 pm → 7:00 pm CDG-IAD S M T W T F S Air France 26


11:30 am → 2:00 pm CDG-PHL S M T W T F S US Airways 755
1:25 pm → 4:10 pm CDG-PHL S M T W T F S Delta 197


8:20 am → 10:30 am CDG-JFK S M T W T F S Air France 22
10:30 am → 12:35 pm CDG-JFK S M T W T F S Air France 12
11:00 am → 1:25 pm CDG-JFK S M T W T F S American 45
1:50 pm → 4:30 pm CDG-JFK S M T W T F S Delta 185
1:55 pm → 4:10 pm CDG-JFK S M T W T F S Air France 6


8:25 am → 12:00 pm CDG-EWR S M T W T F S United 57
10:45 am → 1:20 pm ORY-EWR S M T W T F - Openskies 1
1:10 pm → 3:50 pm CDG-EWR S M T W T F S United 55
1:40 pm → 4:15 pm ORY-EWR S M T W T F S Openskies 3

10:30 am → 12:30 pm CDG-ORD S M T W T F S Air France 664
11:15 am → 1:09 pm CDG-ORD S M T W T F S United 943
12:15 pm → 2:25 pm CDG-ORD S M T W T F S American 41


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Re: AR21 Transportation
« Reply #69 on: June 15, 2012, 02:39:14 PM »

Just saying... :lol:

I have a friend that works at the airport, so I have asked him to keep an eye out for anything special...

10:40 am → 1:55 pm CDG-DTW SMTWTFS Delta 591
1:35 pm → 4:20 pm CDG-DTW SMTWTFS Air France 378

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Re: AR21 Transportation
« Reply #70 on: June 15, 2012, 02:42:12 PM »

8:20 am → 10:30 am CDG-JFK S M T W T F S Air France 22
10:30 am → 12:35 pm CDG-JFK S M T W T F S Air France 12
11:00 am → 1:25 pm CDG-JFK S M T W T F S American 45
1:50 pm → 4:30 pm CDG-JFK S M T W T F S Delta 185
1:55 pm → 4:10 pm CDG-JFK S M T W T F S Air France 6


8:25 am → 12:00 pm CDG-EWR S M T W T F S United 57
10:45 am → 1:20 pm ORY-EWR S M T W T F - Openskies 1
1:10 pm → 3:50 pm CDG-EWR S M T W T F S United 55
1:40 pm → 4:15 pm ORY-EWR S M T W T F S Openskies 3


Thanks dpe, I'm going to stick to these above and search for any other carrier in the route.

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Re: AR21 Transportation
« Reply #71 on: June 15, 2012, 02:47:03 PM »
Airfrance 332 - CDG - BOS (Arrives Boston at 3:20 pm)

American Airlines 147 - CDG - BOS   (Arrives Boston at 3:15 pm)


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Re: AR21 Transportation
« Reply #72 on: June 15, 2012, 02:49:03 PM »
dpe,

Except for the Orly to Newark flights, you are pretty much just repeating what I have above (although adding arrival times and flights numbers).

My research shows that tomorrow only EC3 will operate on that route. On Sunday both EC1 and EC3 will operate. It does show agreement that there are 3 flights leaving Orly for the U.S. in the next 48 hours.

To keep it in perspective, with 25.5 other flights going to the designated East Cost cities (including the 2 from CDG to EWR), what is the probability that the ORY EWR route will be chosen? By straight arithmetic it would be 8%. Newark was the terminus of the flight connection of Lyn and Karlyn in the AR10 finale, but I don't think that counts as a "been there done that" because it was extraordinary circumstances that had them on that route. So it is likely to be above 8% in real probability if WRP does not choose JFK or ATL or MIA.

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Re: AR21 Transportation
« Reply #73 on: June 15, 2012, 02:49:44 PM »
Two flights today from Mallorca to Paris Orly.....

VY 2852      9:00am---11:00am
UX 297       2:40pm---4:50pm
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Re: AR21 Transportation
« Reply #74 on: June 15, 2012, 02:51:53 PM »
10:35 am → 12:55 pm CDG-IAD S M T W T F S Air France 28
12:25 pm → 3:09 pm CDG-IAD S M T W T F S United 915
4:30 pm → 7:00 pm CDG-IAD S M T W T F S Air France 26


11:30 am → 2:00 pm CDG-PHL S M T W T F S US Airways 755
1:25 pm → 4:10 pm CDG-PHL S M T W T F S Delta 197


8:20 am → 10:30 am CDG-JFK S M T W T F S Air France 22
10:30 am → 12:35 pm CDG-JFK S M T W T F S Air France 12
11:00 am → 1:25 pm CDG-JFK S M T W T F S American 45
1:50 pm → 4:30 pm CDG-JFK S M T W T F S Delta 185
1:55 pm → 4:10 pm CDG-JFK S M T W T F S Air France 6


8:25 am → 12:00 pm CDG-EWR S M T W T F S United 57
10:45 am → 1:20 pm ORY-EWR S M T W T F - Openskies 1
1:10 pm → 3:50 pm CDG-EWR S M T W T F S United 55
1:40 pm → 4:15 pm ORY-EWR S M T W T F S Openskies 3

10:30 am → 12:30 pm CDG-ORD S M T W T F S Air France 664
11:15 am → 1:09 pm CDG-ORD S M T W T F S United 943
12:15 pm → 2:25 pm CDG-ORD S M T W T F S American 41

There's also:
1:25 - 3:35, CDG-BOS, American 147
1:35 - 3:20, CDG-BOS, Air France 332
Both are Saturday and Sunday


 

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