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Re: AR21 Transportation
« Reply #25 on: May 28, 2012, 10:02:38 PM »
The official Indonesian rail system schedule website appears out of service since 26May, so the information that Chateau has provided may be the best specifics we can get. The 11 hour trip is consistent with the 450 miles between Jakarta and Surabaya. Keep in mind that there are no sleeper berths. Also keep in mind that there are several different routes usable to get from Jakarta to Surabaya by rail.

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Re: AR21 Transportation
« Reply #26 on: May 29, 2012, 12:00:56 AM »
The show's route planning might have had the teams take trains, so they could fly Phil and production ahead of the teams. This seems like a good place to do that (as it was a good reason in TAR 19 on the first Indonesia leg).
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Re: AR21 Transportation
« Reply #27 on: May 29, 2012, 12:23:49 AM »

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Re: AR21 Transportation
« Reply #28 on: May 29, 2012, 02:11:02 AM »
OMG!! So excited!!! :hearts:

If they're going from Gambir Station again, these are the possible schedule for today:





FYI: Berangkat is Departure, Datang is Arrival :tup:


Given the schedule above,

estimated arrival time in Pasar Turi (the closest train station)

1. 6.25
2. 7.11

estimated travel time to Bangkalan (by car) is 40-45 minutes, but since it's early in the morning it might/might not get a traffic time,



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Re: AR21 Transportation
« Reply #29 on: May 29, 2012, 03:50:14 AM »
Regarding Phil's  possible travel, Shanghai to Bangkalan.......

1st leg's over.

The above was posted @  2:38 am CDT May 28, which converts to 3:38 pm May 28 Shanghai time. At that point, Phil is done for the day. Given the distance from the pit stop to the airport......it seems reasonable that he could be at PuDong Airport by 5:30-6:00 pm to fly out.

Looking for flights out of Shanghai on the evening of May 28th.....there is not enough time to arrive in Surabaya before midnight. There is only one daily non stop flight, Shanghai to Jakarta.....the same flight the teams take on May 29. It just doesn't make much sense to keep Phil in Shanghai to fly with those teams.....better to get him to Surabaya earlier and let him rest there. So pretty improbable that he would hang around Shanghai and fly with teams on GA895.

From a production standpoint, it is really not necessary for Phil to even fly to Jakarta. Surabaya has an international airport and receives flights from Taipei, Hong Kong, Bangkok, Kuala Lumpur and Singapore. Not all of these cities have daily flights to Surabaya. On the particular days this takes place, only KL and Singapore will fit a Shanghai to Surabaya route. Phil can actually arrive in Surabaya, BEFORE teams even leave Shanghai.

Shanghi via Kuala Lumpor to Surabaya, Indonesia  May 28/29
MU 539    8:00pm - 12:50 am
AK 1392   6:45 am - 8:25 am

Shanghai via Singapore to Surabaya, Indonesia May 28/29
SQ 835  7:10 pm - 12:30 am
MI 222   7:50 am - 9:10 am

I did make some assumptons.......1) only a two leg/one connection flight. Phil could have done a 3 flight/two connection flight via Jakarta. That just doesn't make much sense to me.

2) both possible routes involve somewhat lengthy layovers in KL and Singapore. We also know that Phil flies Biz Class, so he has a bed to sleep in, on long flights. If production decides to get Phil a hotel room, both airports have very nice hotels in the airport teminal bldgs and he could take the 2nd flights out of each to Surabaya. He would still arrive in Surabaya before noon (via KL) or @ 1:30 pm (via Singapore) and still have plenty of sun to film his standups.

Phil then would have a very nice long time to rest up before having to be at the Pit Stop at the end of Leg 2 on May 30th around Bangkalan, somewhere close to probably 18 hours. In all likelihood, Phil may already finished doing his standup as I post this or very close to finishing them.

I think that the long train ride is a given for several reasons:
1) makes teams arrive in Bangkalan in daylight for HD filming. I just don't see them filming an episode in beautiful Indonesia in the dark. So I look at the train ride as a moving HoO.

2) keeps teams uncomfortable.....no beds on train. Plus, easier security for Production. 

3) Gives Phil time to catch up on sleep in a non-moving bed for first time since leaving LAX.

According to Peach in the Live Sightings Thread........there is no train ride this time.
« Last Edit: May 29, 2012, 04:01:46 AM by DrRox »
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Re: AR21 Transportation
« Reply #30 on: May 29, 2012, 04:14:06 AM »
If teams are flying to Surabaya, first flight in should be Garuda 324 arriving at 8am Tuesday EDT.

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Re: AR21 Transportation
« Reply #31 on: May 29, 2012, 05:08:50 AM »
This is flight schedule from jakarta to surabaya today http://www.flightstats.com/go/FlightStatus/flightStatusByAirport.do

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Re: AR21 Transportation
« Reply #32 on: May 29, 2012, 02:01:57 PM »
Like the race designers keeping Phil ahead of the AR21 racers, it is our job to stay one leg ahead of the race progress. That means anticipating potential flights one leg at a time. I have developed some categories to make this clearer since there are many dozens of flights to any large airports throughout Australasia and onward to many other airports from those places. Those knowledgeable with combinatorial mathematics know that this creates a matrix that is quickly unmanageable. To bring a minimum amount of order, some assumptions are always necessary. 

I have developed 4 categories for where we stand leaving Denpasar tomorrow:
1. flights from Surabaya to Denpasar (because Bali has not been involved on an Amazing Race ever and Amazing Race Asia I think once)
2. flights from Surabaya to overseas (highlighting the ones I see to SIN, KUL and HKG)
3. flights from Surabaya to other cities around Indonesia except Jakarta
4. flights from Surabaya to Jakarta for the purpose of connecting there to elsewhere overseas (with Guangzhou and Kuala Lumpur especially)

All of the flights below except for two at 905am are between 6am and 9am from Surabaya and 8am to 9am from Jakarta.

From Surabaya to Denpasar:
MZ802 0610
IW1800 0735
Y6 755 0830

From Surabaya to Hong Kong:
CI780 0815

From Surabaya to Singapore:
CI752 0605
JT104 0800

From Surabaya to Kuala Lumpur:
AK1393 0850

From Surabaya to Jakarta
choice of 6 different flights in the 6am to 9am time frame

If it is a flight to Jakarta, the odds are high that it will not fly just there but will be a connection to one of these places (not including either HKG or SIN since you can fly nonstop there from SUB so why would you go to Jakarta to get there):

KUL AS1391 0835 JT285 0905
CAN GA898  0855  OR CZ388 0905
 

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Re: AR21 Transportation
« Reply #33 on: June 01, 2012, 09:13:47 AM »
Based on the information reported that AR21 teams left Surabaya on GA307 0810 0930, it is logical to look for flights leaving CGK after 11am. I personally believe that excluding the numerous departures to elsewhere in Indonesia is the right thing to do now. So that leaves us looking for international flights to the north and northwest. Here they are for 11am to 12pm:

to Kuala Lumpur- MH710 1103, JT280 113?

to Jeddah - JT110 1117, GA980 1217

to Singapore - JT134 1126,  GA828 1202

So there it is, KL, Jeddah or Singapore. From either KL or Singapore there are many options locally or flying onward.



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Re: AR21 Transportation
« Reply #34 on: June 01, 2012, 11:56:06 AM »
Based on the information reported that AR21 teams left Surabaya on GA307 0810 0930, it is logical to look for flights leaving CGK after 11am. I personally believe that excluding the numerous departures to elsewhere in Indonesia is the right thing to do now. So that leaves us looking for international flights to the north and northwest. Here they are for 11am to 12pm:

to Kuala Lumpur- MH710 1103, JT280 113?

to Jeddah - JT110 1117, GA980 1217

to Singapore - JT134 1126,  GA828 1202

So there it is, KL, Jeddah or Singapore. From either KL or Singapore there are many options locally or flying onward.

Jeddah would probally be off that list, especially since some of the teams are all-female, coed non family-related, and we have a homosexual team as well.


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Re: AR21 Transportation
« Reply #35 on: June 01, 2012, 12:46:53 PM »
Given that teams used four-segmented, connecting flights last season flying from Kochi to Hiroshima, I don't know what can be ruled out as an international destination, other than I doubt the teams will be headed back out ieastward towards the Americas.
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Re: AR21 Transportation
« Reply #36 on: June 01, 2012, 04:45:51 PM »
The information from Peach that teams actually flew Surabaya to Singapore makes the listing of all flights today June 1 relevant:

CI752 0558 0912
JT104 0800 1120
MI221 1000 1305
VF248 1535 1847
MI225 1840 2307

So pay your money and take your choice on which one was the one most teams took. I have no idea withotu additional information on either end of this journey.

I will say that flights directly out of Surabaya makes great sense to me (see my earlier post on that).

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Re: AR21 Transportation
« Reply #37 on: June 01, 2012, 05:21:24 PM »
You need to use June 2nd.
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Re: AR21 Transportation
« Reply #38 on: June 01, 2012, 05:55:27 PM »
And it is China Air arr 0925
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Re: AR21 Transportation
« Reply #39 on: June 02, 2012, 09:21:00 AM »
OK, if it was arrival Singapore at 925am 2 June, then it makes sense to look at where teams might have gone if they flew onward from SIN (which I expect they did do). Unfortunately, it gets complicated beyond the powers of reasonable analysis. I imposed only these minimal assumptions:
1. Departures from Singapore's Changi airport in hourly blocks between 11am and 3pm
2. Nothing east except Manila
3. Nothing to North America or Europe
4. Nothing to any city that I did not know where it is or anything about it (example - Medan)
5. Only to destinations in directions north, northwest or west

Here is what you get:
11am - 12pm

KUL
MAA
PEN
KCH
SGN

12pm - 1pm
TPE
SGN
MNL
BKK
KUL
WUH
HKG
HAN

1pm - 2pm
BKK
HAN
HKG
SGN
TPE
HKT
PEN
RGN
CAN
KUL
MFM

2pm - 3pm
HKG
KUL
MNL
HKG
RGN
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REP
DAC
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Re: AR21 Transportation
« Reply #40 on: June 02, 2012, 12:43:40 PM »
Leafsfan has predicted Colombo as the destination of AR21 teams based on special information he has received. Note that the last entry on my list in my prior post was CMB. Flights from SIN to CMB on June 2 were:

EK349 0120 0210 Note - too early due to reported arrival in Singapore at 0925

UL303 1523 1610
CX711 2130 2241
SQ468 2245 2355

To my thinking, it has to be UL303 since that is a 6 hour layover in Changi airport and the others are 12 to 13 hours, which makes no sense.

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Re: AR21 Transportation
« Reply #41 on: June 02, 2012, 01:22:09 PM »
And it fits the pattern WRP has followed in recent seasons to have teams go to airports and end up finding there's only one flight combination to get to their next destination country. (In this case, connecting through Jakarta and Singapote on the way (doesn't rule out there being yet another connecting within country flight once teams raach the destination country, but let's not make it too complicated.) :)
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Re: AR21 Transportation
« Reply #42 on: June 05, 2012, 05:40:03 PM »
I want to keep up with the missing transportation segments of AR21m as best I can. Here is what the choices were Singapore to Dhaka with the assumption of 3 June as the date:
SQ441 2030 2228
TR8654 2310 0100

The same choices from Hong Kong to Dhaka were:
KA742 1825 2020
EK929 1912 2035

And to go further, because it is a conceivable connecting point, here are the flights from Kuala Lumpur to Dhaka:
BG57 0215 0400
MH196 2229 0017










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Re: AR21 Transportation
« Reply #43 on: June 06, 2012, 02:55:31 AM »
I want to keep up with the missing transportation segments of AR21m as best I can. Here is what the choices were Singapore to Dhaka with the assumption of 3 June as the date:


You just transposed the date wrong, apskip. I doubt (and I think you will agree) that it is highly improbable that teams would fly from Surabaya to Singapore on June 2 and then fly from Singapore to Dhaka on June 3.....here is your orginal post about a connection SIN>DAC on the afternoon of June 2.

OK, if it was arrival Singapore at 925am 2 June, then it makes sense to look at where teams might have gone if they flew onward from SIN (which I expect they did do). Unfortunately, it gets complicated beyond the powers of reasonable analysis.

2pm - 3pm
DAC

That flight is BG  85   2:40pm--4:35 pm. on June 2, 2012.....it does not fly on June 3, 2012, btw.

So it is possible that teams arrived in Dhaka @ approx 5:00 pm on June 2, to finish Leg 4 in late afternoon/early evening.....or better would be to have an HoO and finish middle of the day on June3. Then pit stop till morning of June 4......and most of the day for Leg 5........then pit stop release about noon on June 5. That would give teams two flight options to get to Dubai...
4H 591  5:15pm---8:35pm
EK 585  9:30pm---12:58 am (June 6)

We know from the pilot's tweet that some teams were on the EK 585 flight.....but we just don't know how many.
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Re: AR21 Transportation
« Reply #44 on: June 06, 2012, 03:07:26 AM »
Jens Krueger ‏@Jens_Krueger
So excited to have had “The Amazing Race” on the aircraft today from Dhaka to Dubai! Good luck to the racers! #TAR @Ihnatko

This tweet was made at 1:01 am, June 6 in Dubai. So I would assume he had just landed and that would make his flight EK 585  9:30 pm(10:03pm)---12:25am(12:58am). The other earlier flight EK 583 arrived in Dubai @ 2:30 pm June 5. I just dont think that pilot would wait till after midnight (10 hours) to post the tweet.
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Re: AR21 Transportation
« Reply #45 on: June 06, 2012, 02:09:16 PM »
Well with the two Istanbul tweets today.....we could have teams on following intinaries......

DAC>DXB on June 5, 2012
4H 591  5:15pm---8:35pm
EK 585  9:30pm---12:58 am (June 6)

DXB>IST on June 6, 2012
TK 761    2:35 am---6:34am
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Re: AR21 Transportation
« Reply #46 on: June 06, 2012, 02:30:44 PM »
I'm thinking that another way the Teams spotted by our tweeting pilot went like this:

                                  Flight                   Sched'd Take Off    Actual    Sched'd Ar  Actual
June 5th DAC to DXB  EK 585   Emirates    9:30 PM    10:03 PM       12:25 AM    12:58 AM
June 6th DXB to KWI  EK 853   Emirates    1:45 AM    1:52 AM        2:25 AM    2:31 AM
June 6th KWI to IST   TK 771   Turkish Air   7:10 AM    7:20 AM            10:55 AM    10:47 AM
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Re: AR21 Transportation
« Reply #47 on: June 10, 2012, 01:03:44 PM »
the schnauzers,

There are no nonstops Phil could catch to get ahead of the teams.

However, he could connect through either Seoul or Beijing:
 
LAX ICN CA1060 1800 2345+1 connecting to OZ987 0135+2 0220+2

LAX PEK OZ966 1830 2120+1 connecting to CA1081 0300+2 0500+2

This would put Phil hours ahead of the teams, primarily because World Race Productions put teams on flights so that could happen.

This assumes that Phil can get to LAX before 5pm, which may not have been possible.

Considering that CA 1060 and OZ966 did not  fly out of LAX on May 26th the race start day it looks like Phil had to travel on the same flights as the Teams. 

There is one way he could have arrived ahead by an hour or so:

KE 12 leaving LAX at 11:30 pm and arriving ICN at 4:20 am
KE 893 leaving ICN at 8:45 am and arriving PVG at 9:40 am

But that does not buy very much lead time over Teams getting in at 10:50 am.

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Re: AR21 Transportation
« Reply #48 on: June 11, 2012, 03:12:52 PM »
I want to offer a number of flights that have not been covered yet in this thread.

First is Colombo to Dhaka (since Peach definitely stated that teams flew on SQ468 which goes SIN CMB) Dec. 3 MJ501 0730 1115. However, the logical date for that is Dec. 3 and that single nonstop flight that day was cancelled. I can guess that teams scrambled to get connecting flights in India or Bangkok to reach Bangladesh.

Next is Dhaka to Istanbul, which can be done nonstop but only on TK713 0539 1156 on Dec. 7, making Bangladesh a very long series of 2 pit stops including an extended one.

No flights exist from IST to DME, so teams must have flow into SVO. Possibilties on Dec. 8 IST SVO are:
SU2135 0155 0532
SU2131 1351 1729
SU2133 22250152+1

I do not subscribe to Dom El's theory that there is another leg hiding there between Moscow-Sheremetyevo and Amsterdam. I do agree with evidence that teams arrived in Amsterdam on Dec. 10. Here are the possible flights:
KL902 0532 0651
SU2550 1103 1220
KL904 1754 1919
SU2552 2114 2233

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Re: AR21 Transportation
« Reply #49 on: June 11, 2012, 03:34:57 PM »
I want to offer a number of flights that have not been covered yet in this thread.

First is Colombo to Dhaka (since Peach definitely stated that teams flew on SQ468 which goes SIN CMB) Dec. 3 MJ501 0730 1115. However, the logical date for that is Dec. 3 and that single nonstop flight that day was cancelled. I can guess that teams scrambled to get connecting flights in India or Bangkok to reach Bangladesh.

Next is Dhaka to Istanbul, which can be done nonstop but only on TK713 0539 1156 on Dec. 7, making Bangladesh a very long series of 2 pit stops including an extended one.

No flights exist from IST to DME, so teams must have flow into SVO. Possibilties on Dec. 8 IST SVO are:
SU2135 0155 0532
SU2131 1351 1729
SU2133 22250152+1

I do not subscribe to Dom El's theory that there is another leg hiding there between Moscow-Sheremetyevo and Amsterdam. I do agree with evidence that teams arrived in Amsterdam on Dec. 10. Here are the possible flights:
KL902 0532 0651
SU2550 1103 1220
KL904 1754 1919
SU2552 2114 2233

You mean June 3, June 7 and June 10, right? :tup:
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