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Re: AR21 Transportation
« Reply #175 on: November 30, 2012, 01:53:24 PM »
I can go with the flow when I found out that the date assumptions made earlier for the nonstop AMS PMI were not applicable and no nonstops existed yesterday or today. No problem!

Here are the flights teams could have taken AMS BCN on 12 June:
HV5181 0617 0820  Nadiya/Nadine
VY8318 0723 0930  Jaymes/James
KL1065 0754 1009  Trey/Lexi
HV5135 0951 1200  Josh/Brent
plus several more

The ferry schedules Barcelona Palma are crystal clear:
one ferry per day on Balearia 2300 0630+1
one ferry per day on Acciona 2300 0700+1
The teams were shown actually sailing on the Balearia ferry.
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Re: AR21 Transportation
« Reply #176 on: November 30, 2012, 02:11:14 PM »
There are approximately hourly flights from Palma de Mallorca back to Barcelona.

Teams may have the option of taking these ferries, which are tight on arrival versus train departure:

Balearia 1230 1945
Acciona 1200 1930

Talgo train departure is from Barcelona-Eastacio de Franca at 2043 and arrives Orleans 0716 (note - there is no need to go to Paris since you would just turn around and come back). The smart thing to do (remember AR1) is to get off in Orleans, which is a much shorter distance from Tours than Paris is. The earliest train from Orleans to Tours is 0740 arriving 0856. Tours is the center of the Loire chateau region.

Chateau Chenonceau is approximately a half hour TER train ride from Tours, but the distance is short enough that taxis could be used.
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Re: AR21 Transportation
« Reply #177 on: December 03, 2012, 12:41:45 PM »
I have been working with the current SNCF train schedules and I found only these 2 direct trains between Tours and Chenonceux:

1400 1424
1445 1518

I have no access to older summer SNCF schedules. There may be a plethora of trains in the tourist season and that would have provided many morning alternatives for AR21 teams arriving on June 14. this information does increase the probability that teams took taxis to get around the Loire Valley.
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Re: AR21 Transportation
« Reply #178 on: December 10, 2012, 12:51:20 PM »
The flight that was taken by the final 3 AR21 teams was AR22 CDG JFK 0820 0957.

The individuals who on this thread on either June 15 or June 16 mentioned AF22 were me, Xarles, dpe and Dr. Rox. There was a reference to earlier postings postulating about this flight, but they are not on this thread so I could not locate them.

Note: I have corrected an error due to Dr. Rox' comment below.
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Re: AR21 Transportation
« Reply #179 on: December 10, 2012, 03:40:49 PM »
The flight that was taken by the final 3 AR21 teams was AR22 CDG JFK 0820 0957.

The individuals who on this thread on either June 15 or June 16 mentioned AR22 were me, Xarles, dpe and Dr. Rox. There was a reference to earlier postings postulating about this flight, but they are not on this thread so I could not locate them.

I think you mistyped the flight code.........it was AF 22....not AR22.

I checked current train schedules and there is not a middle of the night train from Tours (St Pierre des Corps) to CDG, so I suspect that the taxis took them all the way to CDG. It is about a 3 hour drive and 180 miles.
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Re: AR21 Transportation
« Reply #180 on: December 10, 2012, 06:30:33 PM »
I agree that I had a typo when it should have been AF22. The telecast did show an AA plane.  The first American Airlines flight was AA45 1202 1423.

I agree that the teams would have gone all the way to CDG from Tours by  taxi. Someone mentioned they received $500 for that leg. That would be the reason why.

 

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Re: AR21 Transportation
« Reply #181 on: December 20, 2012, 10:48:10 AM »
I agree that I had a typo when it should have been AF22. The telecast did show an AA plane.  The first American Airlines flight was AA45 1202 1423.

I would rather think that they actually used the AA flight. Things which indicate this are:
  • Teams waited by an AA counter when Josh & Brent arrived at the airport
  • We see teams enter an AA plane (at least the internal seat design match)
  • The telecast featured lost of shots of AA planes:)
  • Teams were spotted at Coney island at 15:26, which fits nicely with at 14:23 arrival.

I also assume that the decoy teams made their runs before the real teams arrived so they could be ready at the finish line in case somebody had an amazing memory for words and flew through the final road block. This would explain the sightings which occurred before the AA flight landed.

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Re: AR21 Transportation
« Reply #182 on: December 20, 2012, 06:07:58 PM »
One way to analyze has the logic as follows:

Sunset was 2030 in NYC on June 16, 2012
Disembarking from the plane and getting though customs was at least 30 minutes (and probably more)
Distance to Coney Island indicate it should take about 15 minutes
Finding and interpreting the postcard appeared to take 15 to 30 minutes
the 7 mile trip to Brooklyn Navy Yard on a Saturday would take about 30 minutes
safety setup for the ROADBLOCK was the major time here, probably about 15 minutes
taxi to Lombardi's Pizza took about 15 minutes
Pizza Delivery took at least 30 minutes
taxi to United Nations Building took about 15 minutes
final ROADBLOCK at UN took at least 2.5 hours, slightly more for Josh/Brent and more for Jaymes/James and Trey/Lexi.

That totals 5.25 hours, which makes the AA flight possible although AF22 has provides a great deal more buffer time.
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Re: AR21 Transportation
« Reply #183 on: December 21, 2012, 03:00:22 AM »
After looking at the episode again....it most likely was AA45. The plane they entered had a big ONE WORLD decal right by the door........which is American's group. The interior matched all the AA 767s I have flown to South America for the last 15 years.

The Air France flight would have made a good flight to get Production, Phil and Twins to NYC ahead of the racing teams.

This was posted at 11:38am NYC time, so sort of implies that Phil was on the AF flight that arrived at 10am.
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I guess if Phil had a helicopter waiting, he could have made the AF 8 the night after the Pit Stop at Chenonceaux on the 15th.
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