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Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
« Reply #925 on: September 05, 2012, 01:03:23 PM »
I just don't have the impression that they'd be able to squeeze in travel to another country at that point in the Race. IMHO, it's either a second leg in Russia to fly out through Moscow, or in the Netherlands.
Don't forget they have to be able to get Phil ahead of the teams and an additional country would probably use more time than is likely unaccounted for.

Teams were seen in front of the Bolshoi Theater at ~10pm on June 8th. They were not seen again till ~10am on June 11th in front of the Amsterdam Central Train Station. That is about 58 hours of missing time. Figure in two 12 hour pit stops and that leaves about 34 hours to run a leg and travel from Moscow to Amsterdam. Of course the pit stops could be shorter, but just using 12 hours as a marker.

1) How did they get to the Amsterdam Central Train station? I am under the impression that they arrived by train, but from where.....Schipol Airport or somewhere else? Schipol is a major hub for Northwest/Delta. This means lots of Americans, especially in June, yet not one word about anyone seeing them there.

2) If they came from somewhere in Holland other than Schipol,  where was it? Well some  possibliities..northeastern Holland in the Groningen area or southwestern Holland in the Rotterdam/den Hague area, southeastern Holland at Eindhoven. All have international airports with connections to different places in eastern europe. Bremen, Germany has a large airport just to the east of Holland and teams could have transited to locations in eastern Holland from there. This could represent a 2nd leg in Holland, before teams were observed in Amsterdam.

3) Moscow direct to Schipol. There could have been a 2nd leg in the vicinity of Moscow on June 9/10 and then fly directly to Amsterdam and they were just not seen at Schipol on June 11,but later at Amsterdam Central Train station.

4) 34 hours is plenty of time to travel to a 3rd country in central/eastern Europe and run a leg and get to Holland.

Does anyone have timings for the sightings in Amsterdam, especially at Central Station? I managed to snag @SNKRFRK's tweet at 12.29pm local time, but I don't have an Instagram account so I'm not sure if you can get times off the photos.

But if teams were spotted just past noon, it seems like they wouldn't have just got off a plane from Moscow. The direct flights from Moscow to Amsterdam are 0535-0655 and 1045-1215 (actual arrival 1231), meaning the times don't jive with an arrival at Schiphol at 11am-noon. Connecting flights might work, but it means teams were risking very tight connection times (an hour or so) to make it on a flight to Amsterdam.

This opens up the possibility for other places for Leg 8! But neither St Petersburg nor the Baltic states work for these timings. It'd help a lot if we knew exactly when teams were at Central Station!

Ok, someone has to say it, even if it sounds crazy; but what if we're wrong about the missing leg?  We took for granted that it was in Russia or close to it.  What if our missing leg is in the Netherlands?  Just a spec...  :duno:
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Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
« Reply #926 on: September 05, 2012, 06:48:30 PM »
About the non logical choice of the TAR15 RB as a switchback because the answer is already known...

Did anybody remember the number of the pickets teams had to count to complete the Detour of the Leg in Lithuania on TAR12?
Did anybody remember the number of steps of the stone stair teams had to count to complete the Detour of the Leg in Salvador, Brazil, on TAR13?
Did anybody remember the number of statues at the temple teams had to count to complete the RB of the second Leg in Indonesia of TAR19?

Do it with the pressure of the race - the Netherlands are on the second half of the race, so any mistake make a difference -, and we could easily chose it over the other two.
I don't know why, but when I think of this, always this quote pops:

Dan:  "They do this one season and one person do it for eight hours"
Sam:  "Why on earth would you tell me that right now?"

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Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
« Reply #927 on: September 08, 2012, 08:41:31 PM »
Thanks to yykris,A cluebox spotted in Moscow

A girl found a young M/F team doing a task about unlock(pretty look like RB in Xi'An leg,S6)...and later she saw a middle-aged M/M team arriving
Now this could be the DUMBEST theory ever, but listen up.
weihen told us that the source said it looked like the TAR6 RB in Xi’an but it was in Moscow, Russia
This could be just me, but I think that is definitely one of the most infamous Roadblocks in TAR history.

My point is, do you think it’s possible that the ‘infamous switchback in the Netherlands’ could be a dodgy CBS misprint and is supposed to be ‘infamous switchback in Russia’?

Also, the press release did not say whether this switchback Roadblock previously took place in the Netherlands last time it appeared CMIIW
So it could be an RB from any country but it’s re-appearing in the Netherlands

IDK, just putting this out there because I don’t think any of the RBs we’ve had in the Netherlands are infamous nor memorable, except TAR12’s, I remember watching that :lol3:


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Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
« Reply #928 on: September 09, 2012, 07:13:10 PM »
This shot was taken between 3:15 and 3:25 pm (assumes June 16th).



And this shot was taken between 4:12 and 4:34 (assumes June 16th).



I'd say the bungee jump at the Navy Yard follows the task at Coney Island.
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Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
« Reply #929 on: September 09, 2012, 09:37:12 PM »
Could one do a task at Coney Island and then even get to the Navy Yard in 40 minutes??  ??? There would need to be some safety stuff before a bungy, right? :duno:
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Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
« Reply #930 on: September 09, 2012, 10:37:23 PM »
Could one do a task at Coney Island and then even get to the Navy Yard in 40 minutes??  ??? There would need to be some safety stuff before a bungy, right? :duno:

Too many variables, Peach.  Did they complet whatever they were doing fast? Did they have a taxi waiting for them? (I guess they did) There was too much traffic between both places? If they travel by taxi, did the driver know where to go? (you know the TAR classic as much as I am, always one F3 team has cab issues) Did the people on the Bungee work fast?  :gaah:  As I said, too many variables.
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Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
« Reply #931 on: September 10, 2012, 08:48:51 AM »
Since you asked me to do some research about the Martinitoren in Groningen, I had send an e-mail to the Martinitoren. Someone sended me this back, so I can tell you that they haven't visited Groningen the days the race went to the Netherlands:

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Goedemorgen meneer Meinderts,

Ik heb in onze agenda gekeken welke verhuringen in juni hebben plaatsgevonden, maar vind daaronder geen Amerikaanse spelshow.
Misschien kunt u iets duidelijker aangeven wat men in de Martinikerk deed of de naam van de spelshow?

Mijn aanvullende vraag is wat is de achtergrond van uw verzoek om meer informatie?

Een hartelijke groet vanuit de Martini van Tini

Tini de Haan, secretaresse van het bestuur van de
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Translation:

Good morning Mr. Meinderts,

I have looked in the agenda for the rentals of June, and I haven't found any rentals of an American game show. Maybe you can be a little more specific what they did in the Martinikerk or the name of the show?

My additional question is what the background is behind this request?

Sincerely,

So we can assume that it was either the eel or the ditch vault RB.

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Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
« Reply #932 on: September 10, 2012, 12:23:45 PM »
Could one do a task at Coney Island and then even get to the Navy Yard in 40 minutes??  ??? There would need to be some safety stuff before a bungy, right? :duno:
Peach,

I will give you a different answer than Alanevada. If this were a weekday or if the direction of travel you asked about were in a different direction, then probably he is right about too complex. However, June 16 was a Saturday and except from the western part of the Belt Parkway to Coney Island it should have had reasonable traffic. The drive from Kennedy Airport to Coney Island is 15 minutes. The task itself is the unknown as it would have to be very quick. From Coney Island up to the Belt Parkway to the Brooklyn Queens Expressway to the Brooklyn Navy Yard is slightly under 30 minutes.

So, could it be done in 40 minutes? Highly unlikely with the task time at Coney Island added in. 

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Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
« Reply #933 on: September 10, 2012, 01:25:30 PM »
Could one do a task at Coney Island and then even get to the Navy Yard in 40 minutes??  ??? There would need to be some safety stuff before a bungy, right? :duno:
Peach,

I will give you a different answer than Alanevada. If this were a weekday or if the direction of travel you asked about were in a different direction, then probably he is right about too complex. However, June 16 was a Saturday and except from the western part of the Belt Parkway to Coney Island it should have had reasonable traffic. The drive from Kennedy Airport to Coney Island is 15 minutes. The task itself is the unknown as it would have to be very quick. From Coney Island up to the Belt Parkway to the Brooklyn Queens Expressway to the Brooklyn Navy Yard is slightly under 30 minutes.

So, could it be done in 40 minutes? Highly unlikely with the task time at Coney Island added in. 
Could one do a task at Coney Island and then even get to the Navy Yard in 40 minutes??  ??? There would need to be some safety stuff before a bungy, right? :duno:
Peach,

I will give you a different answer than Alanevada. If this were a weekday or if the direction of travel you asked about were in a different direction, then probably he is right about too complex. However, June 16 was a Saturday and except from the western part of the Belt Parkway to Coney Island it should have had reasonable traffic. The drive from Kennedy Airport to Coney Island is 15 minutes. The task itself is the unknown as it would have to be very quick. From Coney Island up to the Belt Parkway to the Brooklyn Queens Expressway to the Brooklyn Navy Yard is slightly under 30 minutes.

So, could it be done in 40 minutes? Highly unlikely with the task time at Coney Island added in.

Apskip, in fact you're providing answers to one of my questions.

There was too much traffic between both places?
June 16 was a Saturday and except from the western part of the Belt Parkway to Coney Island it should have had reasonable traffic. From Coney Island up to the Belt Parkway to the Brooklyn Queens Expressway to the Brooklyn Navy Yard is slightly under 30 minutes. (I did a little Google Map research after my post, and according to GM the estimated time is 26 minutes)

And you agree with me that the key factor on this is the time, and how much of it they spend on doing the unknown task at Coney Island.
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Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
« Reply #934 on: September 10, 2012, 05:27:27 PM »
Since you asked me to do some research about the Martinitoren in Groningen, I had send an e-mail to the Martinitoren. Someone sended me this back, so I can tell you that they haven't visited Groningen the days the race went to the Netherlands:

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Goedemorgen meneer Meinderts,

Ik heb in onze agenda gekeken welke verhuringen in juni hebben plaatsgevonden, maar vind daaronder geen Amerikaanse spelshow.
Misschien kunt u iets duidelijker aangeven wat men in de Martinikerk deed of de naam van de spelshow?

Mijn aanvullende vraag is wat is de achtergrond van uw verzoek om meer informatie?

Een hartelijke groet vanuit de Martini van Tini

Tini de Haan, secretaresse van het bestuur van de
Stichting Martinikerk Groningen

Martinikerk: Ruimte voor Inspiratie
Martinikerkhof 3
9712 JG Groningen

t: 050 3111 277
w: www.martinikerk.nl

Translation:

Good morning Mr. Meinderts,

I have looked in the agenda for the rentals of June, and I haven't found any rentals of an American game show. Maybe you can be a little more specific what they did in the Martinikerk or the name of the show?

My additional question is what the background is behind this request?

Sincerely,

So we can assume that it was either the eel or the ditch vault RB.

Thanks a bunch, addie!!!!
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Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
« Reply #935 on: September 10, 2012, 09:49:53 PM »
Since you asked me to do some research about the Martinitoren in Groningen, I had send an e-mail to the Martinitoren. Someone sended me this back, so I can tell you that they haven't visited Groningen the days the race went to the Netherlands:

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Goedemorgen meneer Meinderts,

Ik heb in onze agenda gekeken welke verhuringen in juni hebben plaatsgevonden, maar vind daaronder geen Amerikaanse spelshow.
Misschien kunt u iets duidelijker aangeven wat men in de Martinikerk deed of de naam van de spelshow?

Mijn aanvullende vraag is wat is de achtergrond van uw verzoek om meer informatie?

Een hartelijke groet vanuit de Martini van Tini

Tini de Haan, secretaresse van het bestuur van de
Stichting Martinikerk Groningen

Martinikerk: Ruimte voor Inspiratie
Martinikerkhof 3
9712 JG Groningen

t: 050 3111 277
w: www.martinikerk.nl

Translation:

Good morning Mr. Meinderts,

I have looked in the agenda for the rentals of June, and I haven't found any rentals of an American game show. Maybe you can be a little more specific what they did in the Martinikerk or the name of the show?

My additional question is what the background is behind this request?

Sincerely,

So we can assume that it was either the eel or the ditch vault RB.

Please be the ditch vault roadblock :hearts: (most entertaining roadblock in the netherlands)

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Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
« Reply #936 on: September 11, 2012, 02:29:03 PM »
Tyler Watson ‏@trexwatson

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^On Coney Island

I think they are trying to estimate the size of the Hamburger   :lol:



Or how much beer it would take to fill the mug at the Brooklyn Brewery?
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Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
« Reply #937 on: September 11, 2012, 04:05:51 PM »
I remember the ditch vault and Grandpa Donald getting down to his skivvies (or further he said).
I also remember the two poker playing girls not being able to finish the golf or ring the bell.
Really tough with swimming in between.

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Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
« Reply #938 on: September 19, 2012, 03:28:41 PM »
I remember the ditch vault and Grandpa Donald getting down to his skivvies (or further he said).
I also remember the two poker playing girls not being able to finish the golf or ring the bell.
Really tough with swimming in between.

Maybe they'll put a twist on that challenge, cuz I could really see that coming.
Bring on the 21!

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Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
« Reply #939 on: September 19, 2012, 03:40:33 PM »
I remember the ditch vault and Grandpa Donald getting down to his skivvies (or further he said).
I also remember the two poker playing girls not being able to finish the golf or ring the bell.
Really tough with swimming in between.

Maybe they'll put a twist on that challenge, cuz I could really see that coming.

In the hay bales switchback there was a change.  In Season 6, teams had to find their next clue; but in Season 15, they had to find a race flag to complete the RB and proceed to the PitStop.
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Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
« Reply #940 on: September 19, 2012, 05:45:31 PM »
I remember the ditch vault and Grandpa Donald getting down to his skivvies (or further he said).
I also remember the two poker playing girls not being able to finish the golf or ring the bell.
Really tough with swimming in between.

Maybe they'll put a twist on that challenge, cuz I could really see that coming.

I agree. I bet they will do the ditch vault one, buthave to jump it multiple times.

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Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
« Reply #941 on: September 22, 2012, 04:05:03 AM »
We got a title!  :hoot:  :hoot:  :hoot:

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Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
« Reply #942 on: September 22, 2012, 06:34:12 AM »
I don't know about you all, but that's kind of a disappointing title  :groan:

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Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
« Reply #943 on: September 22, 2012, 08:02:09 AM »
RaceUntilWe Die,

I disagree with your assessment. In 3 words CBS has captured the essence of the first leg of AR21. A team must win it in order to take their prize money, assuming that they win AR21, from $1,000,000 to $2,000,000. Only the team doing so will have that possibility, so the pressure to win the first leg will be unbelievable.

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« Reply #944 on: September 22, 2012, 11:18:51 AM »
We got a title!  :hoot:  :hoot:  :hoot:

YAY!! Thank you!
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Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
« Reply #945 on: September 22, 2012, 05:00:22 PM »
RaceUntilWe Die,

I disagree with your assessment. In 3 words CBS has captured the essence of the first leg of AR21. A team must win it in order to take their prize money, assuming that they win AR21, from $1,000,000 to $2,000,000. Only the team doing so will have that possibility, so the pressure to win the first leg will be unbelievable.

I don't know about you all, but that's kind of a disappointing title  :groan:

I'm with RaceUntilWeDie. I personally like title quotes that are humorous or funny, but everyone has personal opinions.

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Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
« Reply #946 on: September 22, 2012, 05:15:49 PM »
Episode Quotes' main purpose is to compress the essence of an episode using just a few words. Having a funny line is just a bonus. :tup:

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Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
« Reply #947 on: September 22, 2012, 05:40:41 PM »
The title is all about marketing, but will it increase ratings?
I'll watch for sure. I am addicted.

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Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
« Reply #948 on: September 22, 2012, 06:12:39 PM »
I like the episode title :hearts:! It is perfect for the $2 million twist. It sounds like a Phil quote.

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Re: TAR 21 Speculation and Discussion **of Spoilers**
« Reply #949 on: September 27, 2012, 06:25:02 PM »
Anyway, based on CBS website, we got episode title quote for Episode 2. It's Long Hair, Don't Care. :hearts:

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