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Re: TAR 20 Ep 12 Honolulu,Hawaii
« Reply #200 on: May 04, 2012, 04:43:19 PM »
Don't know if anyone has seen this. Probably already posted but I don't see it in this thread. Phil's interview about the final leg with tv guide.


http://www.tvguide.com/News/Amazing-Race-Finale-Phil-Keoghan-1046967.aspx


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Re: TAR 20 Ep 12 Honolulu,Hawaii
« Reply #201 on: May 04, 2012, 04:44:08 PM »
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Re: TAR 20 Ep 12 Honolulu,Hawaii
« Reply #202 on: May 04, 2012, 04:47:33 PM »
Some highlights:

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I've been watching since the first season and have always wondered if a team will ever mess up on the last leg and get turned back when they think they've won. And now it finally happens.
Phil Keoghan: [Laughs] I guess you kind of hope sometimes things like that will happen — not that I'm wishing for anything bad to happen to people. But of course it makes it interesting every time something new happens. ... It's weird because we've had it happen so many times on other legs, where a team has come in and not completed the course properly, and it's just never happened at the finish line ... It was a real surprise to all of us. It's not something we've sat around and talked about like, "Oh, can you imagine if we're on the final leg and a team comes in and doesn't complete the course?" We were all just like, "Did that just happen?"

Normally when a team runs in to the mat, it's done and dusted. If they see somebody on the mat, they know they're not first. If they see a clear mat, they think, "We just won The Amazing Race!" And certainly, this team came to the mat thinking they had just won The Amazing Race. Everything for them, running in — even the teams standing there didn't know — everybody's cheering, they've already cashed the check [in their minds], they jump and they're like, "What? We have to do what?" You see the shocked reactions from the other teams. That's absolutely genuine. They didn't foresee it either.

You hinted on Twitter that they didn't read the clue correctly. But I think a lot of people are wondering how they could get the next clue if they didn't complete the Roadblock. Or did they just stumble onto the next task without doing it?
Keoghan: We don't want to give it away because it's more complicated than [not reading the clue] — it's a lot of things. For this one team, they get told some news that they were not expecting to hear. Ultimately, everybody should read their clues. I think that and have your passport would be right up there. Know how to swim and drive stick. Those would be in the top five for sure.

After the fact, could you understand how they messed up? Do you think it had to do with fatigue? There are a lot of physical challenges on the leg.
Keoghan: There are some mental challenges, but I think this is the big challenge with The Amazing Race. You're going back and forth all the time between physical and mental challenges. You have to switch parts of your brain, if you like. That is, I think, tough for teams. When it's physical, they're moving and they feel like they're getting ahead. They feel like they're making progress and sometimes it's just better to stop physical motion altogether and just think. Just because you're going somewhere doesn't mean you're actually getting ahead. This team gets to the mat first, but they didn't do everything correctly.

Is there a memory challenge on the final leg?
Keoghan: Not a memory one, but there's a mental challenge. It's different this year. We're always trying to mix it up. But I think one of the best tasks is in the Japan leg with the Japanese game show they have to do [in which teams must grab dangling chickens while running on a conveyor belt].
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Re: TAR 20 Ep 12 Honolulu,Hawaii
« Reply #203 on: May 04, 2012, 04:50:19 PM »
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Re: TAR 20 Ep 12 Honolulu,Hawaii
« Reply #204 on: May 04, 2012, 05:05:16 PM »
A few more:

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Is the host the same one from the wasabi Roadblock in Season 15?
Keoghan: [Laughs] But now it's a different show! It's such a fun game. It's so ridiculously crazy and funny. When I shot my stand-up there, we had an outtake where I was explaining how the challenge worked and this person fell over and did the complete opposite of what the teams had to do. We just stood there with a dead chicken looking at this person and laughed. There's lots of that humor with the teams. I gave it a little shot too. I couldn't help myself. I did not [fall over], but I stumbled for sure.

Let's talk about the final four. I don't think there's been this much hostility between teams before and a lot of fans find them annoying and catty. Obviously a lot of people already hate Brendon and Rachel from Big Brother. But Art and JJ won't let the non-U-Turn go. People don't like how hard Dave is on Rachel and Vanessa keeps stirring things up.
Keoghan: Yeah, that's all very true, but you just never know what you're gonna get in any season. There's no denying that Big Brother certainly stirred things up and there is more bickering. I don't think that's a bad thing at all. I think you need the difference. Like Bopper and Mark — I don't think we've had a more popular team since the cowboys [Jet and Cord]. I would say Bopper and Mark, the cowboys, the Globetrotters [Flight Time and Big Easy], and Zev and Justin are the top four picks for sure. ... Out of them, I would venture to say that Bopper and Mark is the most popular team we've ever had. But sometimes a team like that doesn't end up as captivating if there isn't also some adversity. If everybody was like Bopper and Mark, the show would appear a bit flat. So I feel like this season we ended up with a spectacular cast. The fact is there are people who stir other people up in life. Not everybody is perfect and some people do get catty with each other.

Amazing Race's Nary and Jamie: Art and JJ are jerks

You don't mind that a lot of fans feel like they don't have a team to root for?
Keoghan: No. I think all the teams left deserve to be there regardless of how people feel about them. I'll tell you — my MVP this season has been Rachel of Dave and Rachel. I think she has been just an extraordinary racer. He's way too hard on her sometimes. I told him he needs to give her props. ... In terms of being even-keeled, keeping her wits about her, keeping her energy up, tackling any challenge, she is in my mind the top player. I've got to give props to all the teams there, including Brendon and Rachel. A lot of people want to shoot them down and want to discredit them. They say they're crying all the time, but the fact is, they've made this Race really interesting. Whatever people want to say about Brendon and Rachel in terms of their personalities, they've run this Race fairly, followed the rules and now they're in the final episode. You have to give them props. They've beaten a lot of strong teams and they're very consistent.

Were you surprised Vanessa accused them of cheating at the last Pit Stop? If they had cheated, you would've penalized them already.
Keoghan: I wasn't surprised. I encourage them to vent. Part of what I'm there to do is to facilitate a discussion, and I could tell that she had something on her chest, so I told her to vent. You've got to understand that if you're racing and you think that somebody hasn't done something properly and you don't have all the facts, it's gonna eat at you and you're gonna vent it eventually. In the end, they called a truce. On average, I would talk to each team for 10 minutes. On that day, it was 30 with the two of them. What was interesting to me, if you watch the extended Mat Chat online, was how the men dealt with it.

They were almost embarrassed by it.
Keoghan: Right. Poor Brendon and Ralph. They were like, "C'mon! Let's move on." But that's the difference between the way guys deal with conflict and the way women deal with conflict. Guys get it out and move on. I'm generalizing, but a lot of times, guys will scream at each other, but once it's out, it's gone. They don't go back on it. With women, they tend to hold on to things longer. They want to fully explore feelings, what it really means, what they think it means. There's a lot more discussion.

Well, JJ is still hung up on Dave and Rachel not U-Turning Brendon and Rachel.
Keoghan: Yeah! I think he's tapping into more female tendencies. A lot of times Art has been like, "Let it go." You've noticed Art is the more chill of the two. JJ has definitely gotten more highly strung. Art and JJ have gone through quite a character arc, or at least JJ has. He started out kind of relaxed, they gave Bopper and Mark the money, which was incredibly generous, and now he's a lot more riled up and intense. Every team that is there has shown both sides of the spectrum of emotions. We've got a lot of Type As — a lot of emotion, a lot of angst. You've gotta remember that everything that happens is heightened because of sleep deprivation, pressure and what they've gone through. Quite frankly, we need people that are really, really hungry to win. That energy comes out on the show and the audience picks up on it. Even if they dislike it or they dislike that person for whatever reason, we want passion. We want fight. We want people to really want to be there and to win, and all of these teams do.

How do you think fans will feel about the winners?
Keoghan: Well, they've all divided the fans so much. I think they'll all have fans who will be very happy and some who will not be happy at all. There's not one team that has solidified universal appeal. People who love Brendon and Rachel love Brendon and Rachel like I have never ever seen anyone love a team in my life. And those people who despise them despise them more than any team we've had. Same thing with Vanessa and Ralph, and all of them. But even if you don't like them, you have to respect all of them for their effort and what they've done.

Do you have any updates on Season 21?
Keoghan: We start filming in the summer. We're working rapidly to get everything in line. We're excited to be going out again. Some stuff is locked and some stuff is up in the air. Up until the day we leave, we're still finessing. ... There'll be some new places and we're finalizing the cast. We hit a homerun with the cast this season. I think as the show has gone on, we've gotten better teams because more and more people who are fans want to be on the show.

Will there be another Big Brother team?
Keoghan: [Laughs] I don't think you can do that every season, so we'll have some different types of people. Familiar faces? I dunno.
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Re: TAR 20 Ep 12 Honolulu,Hawaii
« Reply #205 on: May 04, 2012, 07:17:13 PM »
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Re: TAR 20 Ep 12 Honolulu,Hawaii
« Reply #206 on: May 04, 2012, 07:21:10 PM »
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Re: TAR 20 Ep 12 Honolulu,Hawaii
« Reply #207 on: May 04, 2012, 07:40:50 PM »
Don't know if anyone has seen this. Probably already posted but I don't see it in this thread. Phil's interview about the final leg with tv guide.


http://www.tvguide.com/News/Amazing-Race-Finale-Phil-Keoghan-1046967.aspx
thanks for posting the link. Great race so far and hoping for a great finish in Hawaii.

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Re: TAR 20 Ep 12 Honolulu,Hawaii
« Reply #208 on: May 04, 2012, 08:27:04 PM »
So here is what we KNOW about the Hawaii leg.

1. Teams arrive on the same flight
2. They proceed directly to One Waterfront Towers and perform the task (At this point Brenchel is about 15 minutes behind Davechel)
3. Teams then go to Sand Island and receive a clue that instructs them to do.... :duno:
4. Rachel gets mad and they start walking quite a ways up the beach while arguing
5. There is a task (probably a RB) involving papa holua
6. There is a task involving rescuing a surfer with a jetski
7. There is a task or transport involving paddleboards
8. There is a task or transport involving helicopters

What we DON'T KNOW:

1. Whether or not there is a second roadblock and whether or not that task is one of the tasks we know about or an unknown task
2. What the task is that Phil tells a team they haven't done
3. The full story of points 3-8 above
Is 1 absolutely known?  I can see the 15 minute delay due to, say, customs/taxis between R/D and R/B arriving at the towers, but I thought I read in the live discussions a couple months back(don't see the all pictures I remember now) that the third team (A/J?) was over an hour after the first 2 at the tower(Memory may be faulty, but I thought at the time concensus was R/D were the 3rd team).  Maybe 6/7 are Detour options(admittedly unlikely since they shy away from final leg detours)?  The person in the water looked like a random person, not a teammate, maybe each person has to perform the detour, like the taxi driving course earlier in the race?

Possible turnaround reasons:  The papa holua run.  You see Art falling off and then pounding the ground, maybe they were supposed to make a full run top to bottom, and one team simply got back on after falling and continued?

I don't remember any evidence of Art and JJ's time. The pictures of them doing the tower task do not have any time info.

I also still do not think that the roadblock taskmaster will hand the team a clue if they did not perform the task correctly. This means that the team has completely missed the RB. It probably also means that the location of that RB is near the finish line.
I don't remember a time in what I read, I remember mention of 2 teams virtually there at the same time, though there was mention that the 2nd team was on the roof for an hour, which appears to have later been refuted, and a mention of 1 team having been there much later(which I cannot now find).  Pictures I remember at the time... 1) Brenchel of course, easy to identify, 2) Art and JJ, only M/M team left, and speculation whether D/R or V/R were there, with general concensus being D/R cause of a red? shirt.  Since this appears to be the 1st task, and due to the timelines involved, IF the 3rd team was that far behind, you'd think they were on a separate flight.

I admit you are correct, they should not receive a clue without having completed it, so that points more to a missed RB.  Scenario: Teams receive a clue telling them "Travel by xxxx(taxi/car/bus/boat) to yyyy and search for your next clue".  Team A arrives and notices a marked path and finds the clue box which directs them to do the RB.  Team A then completes the roadblock and is given a clue telling them something like "Find the windmill to receive your next clue"(similar to detours when a U-Turn is just before the clue box).  Team B arrives and starts searching(missing seeing the marked path), but happen to see team A making a mad dash away from the windmill, so they run over there and find a cluebox, never realizing they got the wrong one.

Ok, I know all of you are going to say I'm wrong and with evidence, but I have to  say it:
Are we sure about Art & JJ position at O.T.W.?  The lack of time reference at the moment they were perfoming the task makes me doubt too.  In my post about the flights from Osaka to Honolulu, I'm remember to talk about a one hour difference in the flights Peach posted.  The first flight arrive at 8.31am. and the last at 9.32am., one hour difference.  Maybe bc19 could be right about this, only that Brenchel and Davechel are the teams one hour behind.  The consensus on the Osaka's leg thread is that Art & JJ won the leg; but we don't know how long was their advantage over the rest of the teams.  And maybe is that advantage what allowed them to catch the first flight meanwhile the other two teams had to travel in the last one.
(Again, just a theory  :duno:)
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Re: TAR 20 Ep 12 Honolulu,Hawaii
« Reply #209 on: May 04, 2012, 09:07:23 PM »
Alenaveda,

If a person were to completely throw out the photographic time evidence, it is still possible to ascertain the order that teams completed the climbing task at the condo towers. Careful examination of the photos show the location of the counterweight/counterbalance bags that assisted the racers as they climbed. Before any teams arrived, there are 6 bags tied off at the top of the tower, one to each climbing line. When Rachel/Dave were climbing, only their set of bags were going down. When Brendon/Rachel were climbing.........the R/D bags were at the lowest point and B/R bags were descending and the Art/JJ bags were still at the top. When Art/JJ were climbing, 4 bags were tied off at the lowest point and only one set of bags were descending. I hope this makes sense.

One photographer took pictures of Brendon/Rachel on the descent. He did not take pictures of Rachel/Dave or Art/JJ.....but there were two sets of descending rigs at opposite ends of the building.......as seen in the photographs and he could not physically take picstures of R/D and probably of Art/JJ is they used the same rig as R/D.
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Re: TAR 20 Ep 12 Honolulu,Hawaii
« Reply #210 on: May 05, 2012, 12:08:11 AM »
Ah, I completely missed the counterweights.  I can see all 6 at the top in the promo and none at the top in the pics that have to be Art/JJ.  Thanks for pointing me to that.  Does make you wonder though, if they did win the Osaka leg as suspected, what caused them to be so far behind?

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Re: TAR 20 Ep 12 Honolulu,Hawaii
« Reply #211 on: May 05, 2012, 01:54:00 AM »
hehehe... from the Bill Spencer's album post, looks like Art/JJ are third to the tower climbing challenge. I hope they stay in that position  }:>
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Re: TAR 20 Ep 12 Honolulu,Hawaii
« Reply #212 on: May 05, 2012, 06:38:40 AM »
For finales these days they usually have all teams on the same flight. It is possible that only one team can do the tower task at a time and there were pull off numbers. This would space teams out a bit.
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Re: TAR 20 Ep 12 Honolulu,Hawaii
« Reply #213 on: May 05, 2012, 08:12:33 AM »
Ah, I completely missed the counterweights.  I can see all 6 at the top in the promo and none at the top in the pics that have to be Art/JJ.  Thanks for pointing me to that.  Does make you wonder though, if they did win the Osaka leg as suspected, what caused them to be so far behind?

I missed them too.
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Re: TAR 20 Ep 12 Honolulu,Hawaii
« Reply #214 on: May 05, 2012, 08:39:11 AM »
Ah, I completely missed the counterweights.  I can see all 6 at the top in the promo and none at the top in the pics that have to be Art/JJ.  Thanks for pointing me to that.  Does make you wonder though, if they did win the Osaka leg as suspected, what caused them to be so far behind?
Art & JJ arrived about 50 minutes behind Rachel & David.
It could be bad luck in choosing a line at Customs and Immigration entering Honolulu and the United States. It could also be seating on the aircraft. Most likely it also involved a bad taxi experience from HNL airport to the prior task (if there was one).
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Re: TAR 20 Ep 12 Honolulu,Hawaii
« Reply #215 on: May 05, 2012, 10:03:36 AM »
Ah, I completely missed the counterweights.  I can see all 6 at the top in the promo and none at the top in the pics that have to be Art/JJ.  Thanks for pointing me to that.  Does make you wonder though, if they did win the Osaka leg as suspected, what caused them to be so far behind?
Art & JJ arrived about 50 minutes behind Rachel & David.
It could be bad luck in choosing a line at Customs and Immigration entering Honolulu and the United States. It could also be seating on the aircraft. Most likely it also involved a bad taxi experience from HNL airport to the prior task (if there was one).

Well, if it was some taxi bad experience (it's a 15-20 minutes travel from HNL airport to O.W.T., I found it in Google map), it would be a TAR classic. :groan:
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Re: TAR 20 Ep 12 Honolulu,Hawaii
« Reply #216 on: May 05, 2012, 10:19:02 AM »
We've had 9 pages already talking about the finale even though it hasn't aired...
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Re: TAR 20 Ep 12 Honolulu,Hawaii
« Reply #217 on: May 05, 2012, 11:27:59 AM »
We've had 9 pages already talking about the finale even though it hasn't aired...

And the problem with that is what, SuperTux?

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Re: TAR 20 Ep 12 Honolulu,Hawaii
« Reply #218 on: May 05, 2012, 12:33:41 PM »
We've had 9 pages already talking about the finale even though it hasn't aired...


Ha! Ever noticed how much is written about NFL draft picks who are months away from even reporting to training camp?

Nine pages about teams, actually competing, on the final lap, is nothing.

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Re: TAR 20 Ep 12 Honolulu,Hawaii
« Reply #219 on: May 05, 2012, 12:42:01 PM »
Do we know if both team members perform the jetski task ?

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Re: TAR 20 Ep 12 Honolulu,Hawaii
« Reply #220 on: May 05, 2012, 12:43:28 PM »
Do we know if both team members perform the jetski task ?
I believe Rachel B is the only person verified to be on a jetski at this time.

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Re: TAR 20 Ep 12 Honolulu,Hawaii
« Reply #221 on: May 05, 2012, 12:46:09 PM »
Do we know if both team members perform the jetski task ?
I believe Rachel B is the only person verified to be on a jetski at this time.

It and the land surfing are not both roadblocks because double roadblocks never allow the same person to do both.
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Re: TAR 20 Ep 12 Honolulu,Hawaii
« Reply #222 on: May 05, 2012, 01:45:17 PM »
Tomorrow!  :wohoo: :wohoo: :wohoo:  but then no amazing race for awhile.  (:;)  (:;) (:;)

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Re: TAR 20 Ep 12 Honolulu,Hawaii
« Reply #223 on: May 05, 2012, 02:37:44 PM »
I'm really curious to see how they actually get to the finish line, the orientation of the finish mat and the eliminated racers makes it look like the racers will have to take a boat across the pond and then run through the trees to get to the finish.

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