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Re: TAR 20 Transport
« Reply #100 on: March 14, 2012, 01:31:26 AM »
Crossing borders shouldn't be an issue within the European Customs Union area, right?
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Re: TAR 20 Transport
« Reply #101 on: March 14, 2012, 01:56:17 AM »
Crossing borders shouldn't be an issue within the European Customs Union area, right?

No, but the shortest route goes through Switzerland, which is not part of Schengen. So at those borders there will be a passport control and possibly some paperwork due to the cameras etc.

It might be worth it to take the slightly longer (6.5h vs 6h) route over Austria because then the entire trip is within Schengen and there will be no border controls.

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Re: TAR 20 Transport
« Reply #102 on: March 14, 2012, 08:09:26 AM »
This is very interesting! I still do not believe TAR would have teams drive through an entire country without a clue box or task. Additionally, what would the first clue say?. Drive yourselves to Neuschwanstien Castle, Germany. That would seem very strange.

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Re: TAR 20 Transport
« Reply #103 on: March 14, 2012, 09:05:37 AM »
maf is quite right that the shortest route goes through both Switzerland (and Liechtenstein too). Here it is as best I can decipher it:

Torino to Varese 92 miles estimated driving time (it's a fast non-mountain road in the Piedmont) 1 hour 39 min.

Varese to Lugano 14 miles estimated driving time 15 min.

There are two alternate routes either one of which is approximately 166 miles and should take about 4 hours:
Lugano to Vaduz, Liechtenstein is the common route for both.

The first branch goes north and across the border to Bregenz, Switzerland and Lindau, Germany. Then it goes north to reach mountain road 12 and then the lower route 7 into Fussen.

The other branch goes through Feldkirch Austria into Sankt Anton am Arlberg, then north to reach route 198, through Reutte and into Fussen.

Total driving time about 6 hours.

Border crossing on trains and planes into and out of Italy, Switzerland and Germany are quick and easy, but I have no cross-border experience in a car.
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Re: TAR 20 Transport
« Reply #104 on: March 14, 2012, 09:25:40 AM »
I just cannot see it happening, driving through Austria, Switzerland, or Liechtenstein, especially knowing that Season 18 visited all three of these countries.


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Re: TAR 20 Transport
« Reply #105 on: March 14, 2012, 09:30:45 AM »
The plane possibilities are approximately as given. I want to tailor them to fir the most likely pit stop release times in Torino.

So let's start with Art and JJ. I estimate they would have checked in at 1300 on Dec. 4 and be released Dec. 5 at 0100. They then have 5 hours 40 minutes to get to Torino airport, get tickets to Munich, checkin, kill and board. When they get to Munich, perhaps 15 minutes to get off the plane and out and find marked cars (no doubt FORD FOCUS). That flight EN1705 departed TRN 0640 and arrived MUC 0820. Then 2 hours to drive to Fussen, for a 1020 arrival, 9 hours 20 minutes total.

Next is Rachel and David. They probably checked in around 1500, so their arrival is the same but their total time would be 2 hours shorter than Art and JJ at 7 hours 20 minutes.

The ability of any other teams to get to the Torino airport, ticket, go through security and board EN1705 on time is questionable. Some might have made it and they would have the lowest total time.

All this contrasts with a predictable 6 hours from Torino to Fussen by car, arriving around 0700 for Art and JJ and 0900 for Rachel and David. The unknown is the weather on that day. If driving conditions were below the best required for those mountain roads, then I would have ordered all teams to fly. Maybe they were given the choice, most unusual for the Amazing Race but World Race Productions does try to be unpredictable.

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Re: TAR 20 Transport
« Reply #106 on: March 14, 2012, 09:45:41 AM »
Since the question of weather in Fussen is slightly researchable (the rest of the driving route above Lugano is really not), I did so. December 5 was one of the warmest days in December, high of 8 degrees Celsius (46 degrees Fahrenheit) and low of -2 degrees Celsius (28 degrees Fahrenheit). It appears that it would have been a fine day for driving.

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Re: TAR 20 Transport
« Reply #107 on: March 14, 2012, 09:47:37 AM »
The weather along the way as I found it was light rain and mist. You can check out wunderground.com/history to check other locations on weather.

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Re: TAR 20 Transport
« Reply #108 on: March 14, 2012, 09:50:37 AM »
Does anyone have any clue about trains going from Turin to Frussen on December 5?

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Re: TAR 20 Transport
« Reply #109 on: March 14, 2012, 09:57:47 AM »
I have another thing to throw out there. Is it possible that if the teams were to drive, that TAR gives teams the street address to Neuschwanstien Castle and have the Ford Focus use the navigation system to guide the teams, to further advertise the Ford Focus, as with the park assist in the last leg?


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Re: TAR 20 Transport
« Reply #110 on: March 14, 2012, 12:34:02 PM »
I was also wondering if we have ruled out trains...
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Re: TAR 20 Transport
« Reply #111 on: March 14, 2012, 01:32:46 PM »
I was also wondering if we have ruled out trains...

Not completely, but it seems unlikely. The train takes more than 8 hours, and that is for Munich. I think self-driving is more probable than trains.

Also since Neuschawanstein si such a well known place they could just give teams a picture of it and tell them to drive there.

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Re: TAR 20 Transport
« Reply #112 on: March 14, 2012, 02:50:25 PM »
There are just so many possibilities. I just have this gut feeling that the teams will not drive themselves there. Who knows, I could be wrong.

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Re: TAR 20 Transport
« Reply #113 on: March 14, 2012, 03:27:31 PM »
With Ford being involved, it would make sense to force the teams to navigate themselves to Bavaria from Turin. They already have those Fords they drove around Turin.
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Re: TAR 20 Transport
« Reply #114 on: March 14, 2012, 04:20:03 PM »
We have caps of them driving during the leg...

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Re: TAR 20 Transport
« Reply #115 on: March 14, 2012, 04:22:44 PM »
With Ford being involved, it would make sense to force the teams to navigate themselves to Bavaria from Turin. They already have those Fords they drove around Turin.

If it is like this , it would mean no equalizer, damn...
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Re: TAR 20 Transport
« Reply #116 on: March 14, 2012, 04:47:19 PM »
Cougarspy posted this in the Leg 5 spoilers and think it should be transferred here!

Is it possible that the teams take an overnight train from Turin to Fussen, Germany?  I was checking out train travel, and you can prebook that trip.  This would also act as an equalizer for the teams.

I see that it may have been identified that the Ice Rink is in Fussen (Roadblock - Curling, where teams get their traveling gnome).


Hohenschwangau Castle, Schwangau, Germany is about 12 minutes away, so is the castle a Route Info versus a pitstop?  And this is where the snowy labyrinth occurs (walking up to the castle)?

Gemeinde Unterammergau and Oberammergau is a half hour from the castle, as we see teams driving with the gnome.

And the pitstop is near those towns?

Just a thought, since driving from Turin, Italy to Fussen is a 6 hour drive and has multiple TOLLS.

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Re: TAR 20 Transport
« Reply #117 on: March 14, 2012, 05:01:33 PM »
We have caps of them driving during the leg...

However, the caps with Kerri & Stacy show the Travelocity gnome.
Vanessa & Ralph also have the the gnome coming out of the car.
This leaves Bopper saying, "Yodel-a-hi-hoo," most likely coming after they Yodel (speculated for the speed bump).

We cannot completely rule out a possible flight from Turin to Munich, although I have been outnumbered as the general consensus thinks they drive themselves.

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Re: TAR 20 Transport
« Reply #118 on: March 14, 2012, 07:42:09 PM »
I don't think there is a consensus yet, just all of us putting forward a lot of ideas!
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Re: TAR 20 Transport
« Reply #119 on: March 18, 2012, 10:10:00 PM »
The intermodal method of rail+car transportation to get into Bavaria was pretty interesting. The pit stop time was again designed to assure that Art and JJ were not able to get there in time to get through the Gasthaus zum Raffen, with its hours of operation.

Here are the connections for trains to go from Torino to Innsbruck (note: Innsbruck to Ehrwald will be presented when completed and the car distances after that):

3rd train after 7am is 0802am Torino Porta Nuova
0913 at Milano Centrale, leave at 0935a to
Verona Porta Nuova 1057a, leave at 1150a to
Brenner Pass (Italy/Austria border) 1452, leave to
Innsbruck 1502 arrive 1608

Note: Only Art/JJ can be on this train on Monday December 5 since all others have not been released from the pit stop.


Train 2013    12:50PM Torino Porta Nuova,
2:45PM Milano Centrale,
Train9729    3:05PM Milano Centrale,
4:27PM Verona Porta Nuova,
1hr 22min   
     
Brennero188    5:02PM Verona Porta Nuova,
8:32PM
Innsbruck Hbf,
3hr 30min   
     
Note: Rachel/David can be on this train


Le Frecce 9567    1:37PM Torino Porta Nuova,
3:50PM Bologna Centrale,
2hr 13min

Train2264    4:10PM Bologna Centrale,
8:52PM Brennero Brenner,
4hr 42min   
     
Train5233    9:28PM Brenner Pass (Italy/Austria border),
10:08PM Innsbruck Hbf,
0hr 40min   

Joey/Danny and Nary/Jamie should be on this train
     

Le Frecce 9569    2:37PM Torino Porta Nuova,
4:50PM Bologna Centrale,
2hr 13min

Train2266    6:10PM Bologna Centrale,
10:52PM Brenner Pass,
4hr 42min   
     
Train5277    11:04PM
Brenner Pass,
11:44PM Innsbruck Hbf

Note: Only Brendon/Rachel should be on this train.

We still need later trains for Kerri/Stacy and Mark/Bopper.

1550 from Torino Porta Nuova leaving to
Milano Centrale 1745, leaving 1805 to
Verona Porto Nuova 1927, leaving 1950 to Brenner Pass (Italy/Austria border)
2252 leaving Brenner Pass to Innsbruck arrive 2344

This would work for Kerri/Stacy.

1952 Torino Porta Nuova leaving to Milano Centrale
2045 Milano Centrale 2103 Verona Porta Nuova, leaving to
Innsbruck 0101 arrive 0431

This is the one for Mark/Bopper.
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Re: TAR 20 Transport
« Reply #120 on: March 19, 2012, 06:54:45 AM »
The train trip from Innsbruck to Ehrwald is about 1 hour 50 minutes. Here are the times:

0638 - 0828 There is apparent reason why all teams except Art/JJ should not have been on this train; all arrived in Innsbruck in time.
0755 - 0942
0757 - 0942
0838 - 1028
1038 - 1228
1045 - 1257
1102 - 1257
1238 - 1428
1255 - 1437
1438 - 1628 I expect Art/JJ made this connection to get to Ehrwald by 1628 but were then stranded at the train station for the night starting Monday Dec. 5.
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Re: TAR 20 Transport
« Reply #121 on: March 19, 2012, 07:19:33 AM »
The distances for driving onward from Ehrwald were approximately these:

Ehrwald (last town in Austria) to Oberammergau (first town in Bavaria) 12.9 miles

Oberammergau to Hohenschwangau and Neuschwanstein 27.4 miles

Neuschwanstein to Fussen under 2 miles

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Re: TAR 20 Transport
« Reply #122 on: March 19, 2012, 07:58:12 AM »
Do we know if they leave from Munich or Frankfurt to Baku?
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Re: TAR 20 Transport
« Reply #123 on: March 19, 2012, 08:40:44 AM »
TARFANSurvivor,

No, we are not sure which one they fly from, but I have a strong hunch it will be Frankfurt. These are by no means the only flights, but they are the best (from my post 79 on this thread):

Here is the best flight from Frankfurt to Baku:

Nonstop LH612 1350 2120

The best alternative is to go Munich to Istanbul to Baku:
TK636 1820 2155
TK338 2335 0410+1

It is obvious that the nonstop flight is better IF they can get it.

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Re: TAR 20 Transport
« Reply #124 on: March 19, 2012, 04:38:53 PM »
Here is the best flight from Frankfurt to Baku:
Nonstop LH612 1350 2120

The best alternative is to go Munich to Istanbul to Baku:
TK636 1820 2155
TK338 2335 0410+1

It is obvious that the nonstop flight is better IF they can get it.

Yes, but let's not forget that it is a 4 hour drive to Frankfurt and a 2 hour drive to Münuch.


 

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