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Re: AR19 Primary TRANSPORTATION OPTIONS
« Reply #25 on: June 21, 2011, 02:44:30 AM »
The Indonesia rail website (can read enough Bahasa to make it through the system) shows departures from Gambir and Jatinegara Stations in Jakarta, but produces an error for the Kota and Pasar Senen Stations. Blue are the trains confirmed by the official website, red are additional ones from the website suggested by Krabbe:

21 JUN 2011
Gaya Baru Malam (1150-2144) from Jakarta to Yogyakarta
Jayabaya Selatan (1400-2316) from Jakarta to Yogyakarta

Bima 10034 (1700-0042) from Jakarta Gambir to Yogyakarta
Gajayana (1715-0130) from Jakarta to Yogyakarta
Argo Lawu 40008 (2000-0338) from Jakarta Gambir to Yogyakarta
Taksaka Malam 10042 (2045-0430) from Jakarta Gambir to Yogyakarta

Progo (2115-0620) from Jakarta to Yogyakarta

That's a pretty wide spread of possible arrival times, but since the earliest possible train arrives at almost ten in the evening, I'd agree with Prophet and it looks certain that everyone will be held up by an Hours of Operation when they get to Yogyakarta.

Update/correction: from our friends in Jakarta, looks like these are our two trains:

21 JUN 2011
Gajayana (1715-0130) from Jakarta to Yogyakarta
Argo Lawu 40008 (2000-0338) from Jakarta Gambir to Yogyakarta
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Re: AR19 Primary TRANSPORTATION OPTIONS
« Reply #26 on: June 23, 2011, 08:56:44 AM »
It should be interesting to see what travel plans they take to get out of Indonesia. Flights out of JOG appear to be really limited. The only international destinations I can find are Malaysia and Singapore. Otherwise they will have to connect through Jakarta or Bali.
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Re: AR19 Primary TRANSPORTATION OPTIONS
« Reply #27 on: June 23, 2011, 09:00:52 AM »
It should be interesting to see what travel plans they take to get out of Indonesia. Flights out of JOG appear to be really limited. The only international destinations I can find are Malaysia and Singapore. Otherwise they will have to connect through Jakarta or Bali.

Through Malaysia or Singapore there are many possible locations the can visit including Joburg.
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Re: AR19 Primary TRANSPORTATION OPTIONS
« Reply #28 on: June 23, 2011, 09:01:28 AM »
There are some great beaches on Malaysia.
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Re: AR19 Primary TRANSPORTATION OPTIONS
« Reply #29 on: June 23, 2011, 09:29:12 AM »
Since Johannesburg has been identified as a possible next leg after Borobdur and I have great faith in hints from Chateau d'If, I have looked at the flights from Yogyakarta to Johannesburg. There are many possibilities which take longer and get in with this one, but the basic flight combination is:

GA215 JOG CGK 1755 1900
GA834 CGK SIN 2000 2210
SQ478 SIN JNB  0200+1 0700+1

However, there is another more circuitous route requiring backtracking to the western edge of Australia which would be useful only if teams are released early enough to catch it:

GA250 JOG DPS 0800 1015
GA726 DPS PER 1220 1500
QF303 PER JNB  2350 0520+1

This combination requires leaving as late as 10 hours after the one above it and is scheduled to arrive 100 minutes earlier.


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Re: AR19 Primary TRANSPORTATION OPTIONS
« Reply #30 on: June 23, 2011, 10:59:11 AM »
 :lol:

It was mainly because of these two flights that I thought of it!

Malaysia Airlines Flight 203    10h 40m
     Take-off    Sat 1:20a    KUL    Sepang, Malaysia
     Landing    Sat 6:00a    JNB    Johannesburg, South Africa

Singapore Air Flight 478    10h 50m
     Take-off    Sat 2:10a    SIN    Singapore, Singapore
     Landing    Sat 7:00a    JNB    Johannesburg, South Africa

I don't see your Perth flight happening on Friday the 24th  :duno:
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Re: AR19 Primary TRANSPORTATION OPTIONS
« Reply #31 on: June 23, 2011, 03:04:35 PM »
I asked my flight information system for June 25, on which that flight is valid. I guess that means I am betting on an extended to 36 hour pit stop, which would be due about now.
   
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Re: AR19 Primary TRANSPORTATION OPTIONS
« Reply #32 on: June 23, 2011, 03:09:45 PM »
No. almost certainly 12 hours, leaving 6/24 AM JOG time.
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Re: AR19 Primary TRANSPORTATION OPTIONS
« Reply #33 on: June 23, 2011, 09:56:44 PM »
If the release time is 6/24 (it's been that for 10 hours already in Yogyakarta), then the main flight combination would be my ones through Jakarta and Singapore, which has many antecedents between Yogyakarta and Jakarta and between Jakarta and Singapore. However, Chateau has a valid point. There are 21 flights teams could use to go Yogyakarta and Jakarta between 5am and 6pm. There are also 17 flights possible between Jakarta and Kuala Lumpur. At Kuala Lumpur, Chateau's flight MH203 0120+1 0600+1 would apply. It also gets in one hour earlier and poses little risk to teams of not making connections to get there ass long as they leave Yogyakarta by 6pm.
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Re: AR19 Primary TRANSPORTATION OPTIONS
« Reply #34 on: June 23, 2011, 10:31:39 PM »
Be careful, I think your conversion is off by an hour.   :wise

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Re: AR19 Primary TRANSPORTATION OPTIONS
« Reply #35 on: June 24, 2011, 01:33:06 AM »
The routing to Bangkok at this time tends to rule out JoBurg as destination (because it would be better to go to KUL or SIN from CGK).   :(

A new possibility rises up:   :yess:

GA 866 Flight Information
Route:         From (CGK) Jakarta, ID to (BKK) Bangkok, TH    
Duration:         3h 25m
Departure Status Details
Airport:         (CGK) Soekarno-Hatta International Airport
City:         Jakarta, ID
Scheduled:         9:45 AM - Fri 24-Jun-2011
Arrival Status Details
Airport:         (BKK) Suvarnabhumi Airport
City:         Bangkok, TH
Scheduled:         1:10 PM - Fri 24-Jun-2011


RA 402 Flight Information
Route:         From (BKK) Bangkok, TH to (KTM) Kathmandu, NP    
Duration:         3h 15m
Departure Status Details
Airport:         (BKK) Suvarnabhumi Airport
City:         Bangkok, TH
Scheduled:         2:30 PM - Fri 24-Jun-2011
Arrival Status Details
Airport:         (KTM) Tribhuvan Airport
City:         Kathmandu, NP
Scheduled:         4:30 PM - Fri 24-Jun-2011

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Re: AR19 Primary TRANSPORTATION OPTIONS
« Reply #36 on: June 26, 2011, 09:54:58 AM »
Okay...since it appears that the Phuket flight info may be correct...what are our options for getting them out of there, presumably on the 25th??
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Re: AR19 Primary TRANSPORTATION OPTIONS
« Reply #37 on: June 26, 2011, 11:09:55 AM »
Okay...since it appears that the Phuket flight info may be correct...what are our options for getting them out of there, presumably on the 25th??

Mostly internal flights to Bangkok, international flights to Singapore and Kuala Lumpur. (there are a lot of those).
There are a few flights to China and Australia but since i suppose we look for westward flights the only other option would be a flight to Moscow. (unlikely)
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Re: AR19 Primary TRANSPORTATION OPTIONS
« Reply #38 on: June 26, 2011, 11:13:23 AM »
They can get anywhere from Bangkok or Singapore...
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Re: AR19 Primary TRANSPORTATION OPTIONS
« Reply #39 on: June 28, 2011, 09:02:26 AM »
Good job to Zacz for the Malawi find!

LEG 4

It seems to have become a production rule for TPTB to direct teams through the same entry port in each country to smoothen out customs. Since we know that teams flew through Bangkok, for now I'm ruling out flights from Singapore and Malaysia to Phuket.

Here's one set of flights teams were reported on on 24 Jun:
QZ 7341 from Yogyakarta to Jakarta, 1245-1345
QZ 7716 from Jakarta to Bangkok, 1635-2000
(FD 3035 from Bangkok to Phuket, 2120-2240, postulated)

Other teams were seen on an earlier Bangkok-Phuket flight, which suggests:
(GA 205 from Yogyakarta to Jakarta, 0940-1045, or earlier)
TG 434 from Jakarta to Bangkok, 1235-1605, or
GA 868 from Jakarta to Bangkok, 1250-1615
FD 3031 from Bangkok to Phuket, 1900-2020

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LEG 5

If Kenya works out, I've a feeling the producers will be aiming for this direct flight from Thailand to Kenya, both for Phil (on the morning of the 26th) and the teams (morning of 27th):

KQ 861 from Bangkok to Nairobi, 0035-0605

This means that departures from Phuket will be the night before, the afternoon/evening of the 25th for Phil, and afternoon/evening of the 26th for the teams.

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LEG 6

From Kenya to Malawi tomorrow (29 Jun), I think production may be aiming for this direct flight for the teams:
KQ 722 from Nairobi to Lilongwe, 0825-0935

And this flight today (28 Jun) for Phil:
KQ 724 from Nairobi to Lusaka, 0825-1005
KQ 724 from Lusaka to Lilongwe, 1105-1215
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Re: AR19 Primary TRANSPORTATION OPTIONS
« Reply #40 on: June 28, 2011, 09:26:28 AM »
Since it is not likely that there will be sightings in Malawi tomorrow I thought it would be useful to put some guesses at where they will head next based on transport options.

Assuming that the pitstart would be early morning on the 30th they would have to wait all the way until 13.15 to depart back to Nairobi, one of the few places LLW flies to.
Otherwise they can hop over to BLZ where they can arrive at 7.50 AM and make QM 201 to JNB arriving at 11.10.

If Europe is the next destination after two Africa legs then Joburg is not the way to go since it does not fly to Europe without a really long wait. So the only point in going there would be to run a leg in that region.

To get to Europe, Nairobi is the better choice as it has connections to Paris, London and Amsterdam that day.

If they are remaining in Africa for a third leg there are many options to other African countries from NBO.
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Re: AR19 Primary TRANSPORTATION OPTIONS
« Reply #41 on: June 28, 2011, 10:30:32 AM »

It seems to have become a production rule for TPTB to direct teams through the same entry port in each country to smoothen out customs.

I think this has something to do with the carnets that are used for the camera equipment etc. When you enter a country with a carnet you leave the voucher part with the local customs officials. When you leave the country, the voucher is checked against the equipment. So if you don't leave the country by the same port of entry - the vouchers aren't available.
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Re: AR19 Primary TRANSPORTATION OPTIONS
« Reply #42 on: June 28, 2011, 10:38:55 AM »
Thanks for the explanation WP!

Would it be possible that they use the Malawi tour company to head to Zambia for a short leg, and then use charter flights a la TAR 1 to get to Johannesburg?
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Re: AR19 Primary TRANSPORTATION OPTIONS
« Reply #43 on: June 28, 2011, 11:38:44 AM »
Neobie...are you spec'ing an extended pitstop in Kenya? If so, why? I was thinking that any extended pitstop might be Phuket, primarily to let Phil jump ahead...
Plus might explain the lack of sightings if they are "paused" somewhere...

And I think that IF we are right and we do  see a Kenya leg...that we could well see a charter flight to somewhere then. Pull a number...

I would hope that they would want us to see more of Kenya than Nairobi, and with a charter flight, they could get us to any of the more impressive areas and/or game parks.
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Re: AR19 Primary TRANSPORTATION OPTIONS
« Reply #44 on: June 28, 2011, 11:59:24 AM »
Nope, not speculating any (unusually) extended legs in Kenya or Phuket!

Diverging a little into timelines, but I'm guessing:
25 Jun: Teams race in Phuket, check in around midday, Phil flies out of Phuket
26 Jun: Phil flies to Kenya arriving 6.05am for stand-up filming, teams fly out of Phuket in afternoon/evening
27 Jun: Teams fly to Kenya arriving 6.05am, check in time depending on how far from Nairobi they go, no good flights for Phil
28 Jun: Phil flies to Malawi leaving 8.25am and arriving 12.35pm for stand-up filming
29 Jun: Teams fly to Malawi leaving 8.25am and arriving 9.35am
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Re: AR19 Primary TRANSPORTATION OPTIONS
« Reply #45 on: June 28, 2011, 12:03:34 PM »
Nope, not speculating any (unusually) extended legs in Kenya or Phuket!

Diverging a little into timelines, but it's looking like this:
25 Jun: Teams race in Phuket, check in around midday, Phil flies to Bangkok evening
26 Jun: Phil flies to Kenya morning for a day of filming, teams leave afternoon/evening for Bangkok
27 Jun: Teams fly to Kenya for leg, check in around afternoon, Phil gets ready to leave from Nairobi
28 Jun: Phil flies to Malawi morning for day of filming
29 Jun: Teams fly to Malawi morning for leg

If they do 12 hours Pitstop in Phuket, they could be released by 1 AM or so on 6/26 and catch the earliest flights out... ~0600

If they are not released until afternoon 6/26 that supposes a 24 Pitstop, right? ???
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Re: AR19 Primary TRANSPORTATION OPTIONS
« Reply #46 on: June 28, 2011, 12:10:53 PM »
Nope, not speculating any (unusually) extended legs in Kenya or Phuket!

Diverging a little into timelines, but I'm guessing:
25 Jun: Teams race in Phuket, check in around midday, Phil flies out of Phuket
26 Jun: Phil flies to Kenya arriving 6.05am for stand-up filming, teams fly out of Phuket in afternoon/evening
27 Jun: Teams fly to Kenya arriving 6.05am, check in time depending on how far from Nairobi they go, no good flights for Phil
28 Jun: Phil flies to Malawi leaving 8.25am and arriving 12.35pm for stand-up filming
29 Jun: Teams fly to Malawi leaving 8.25am and arriving 9.35am

But having the teams check in on the 27th in Kenya and then having them fly to Malawi on the morning of the 29th is a 36 hour pit stop  :duno:
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Re: AR19 Primary TRANSPORTATION OPTIONS
« Reply #47 on: June 28, 2011, 12:17:52 PM »
There may actually have been time for a second Kenya leg and Malawi is the third and final leg in Africa.

Just SPEC but there is plenty to see in Kenya.
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Re: AR19 Primary TRANSPORTATION OPTIONS
« Reply #48 on: June 28, 2011, 12:24:19 PM »
The new Pit Stop schedules usually go by calendar days and not by hours, so it doesn't look too unusual for a check in on the 27th and a Pit Start on the 29th - perhaps afternoon/evening 28th? There're no good flights to Malawi so teams would be stuck too. In fact as long as they get to Nairobi airport later than 8.25am on the 28th they can't find a better flight than the direct on the 29th. Phil needs the 28th to do his stand-ups.

Regarding Phuket: If teams are released from Phuket in the early hours of 26th, they might be able to make this flight which would put them into Kenya a little too early. An Hours of Operation or a Pick a Ticket would fix things up, but the racing action will definitely have to take place on the 27th and not the 26th:

FD 3022 from Phuket to Bangkok, 0655-0815
EK 375 from Bangkok to Dubai, 0955-1300
EK 721 from Dubai to Nairobi, 1505-1905
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Re: AR19 Primary TRANSPORTATION OPTIONS
« Reply #49 on: June 28, 2011, 12:38:30 PM »
Regarding leaving Malawi, the reason why Jo'berg might be used for the teams (even as charters as was done a couple of times in the early seasons) would be to give Phil time to get ahead of the teams; so sending the teams to Jo'burg might accomplish that.
Unless the Race stays in Africa even longer than a Malawi leg, and maybe one in Zambia or South Africa, then they'll likely be looking for Europe; South America is a possibility as I don't believe they've ever had teams go to South America from Africa in the past, but it would almost require provided airline tickets to do it since my recollection is that in the past, flights across the southern Atlantic are not that plentiful. On the other hand, its now winter in the southern hemisphere, and the remainder of the route seems to be all warm weather locations.
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