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AR19 Primary TRANSPORTATION OPTIONS
« on: June 19, 2011, 09:59:47 PM »
This thread will be a place where transportation information (both actual and predicted) can go.


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Re: AR19 Primary TRANSPORTATION OPTIONS
« Reply #1 on: June 19, 2011, 10:32:32 PM »
Requoting from you guys over on the other threads!

19 JUN 2011
CI 7 (0057-0500, scheduled 0055-0550) from Los Angeles to Taipei
BR 1 (0132-0534, scheduled 0115-0600) from Los Angeles to Taipei
BR 15 (0144-0548, scheduled 0135-0620) from Los Angeles to Taipei
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Re: AR19 Primary TRANSPORTATION OPTIONS
« Reply #2 on: June 20, 2011, 01:00:53 AM »
I wonder if teams were forced to take the same bus company into downtown, or if the team that went via Zhongxiao Fuxing did it for their own reason?

According to this website, there are three bus lines running to Zhongxiao Fuxing: Changrong, Dayou and Feigou. Dayou and Feigou (represented in pink) run directly to Zhongxiao Fuxing, but Changrong (represented in orange) makes a stop at Minquan W Rd Station first, which saves teams that get off there about 10min, even taking into consideration the time needed to change metro lines.

However, Guoguang (represented in cyan), leaving every 15min, runs directly to Taipei Main (Train) Station, which is just one stop away from Ximen. I suppose that would be the quickest way to get from the airport to Ximending by public transport?

So back to the main question: why did the team take the bus to Zhongxiao Fuxing? Because of producer instruction, limited information, or for some other reason?

(The map is drawn by me and by no means official.)
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Re: AR19 Primary TRANSPORTATION OPTIONS
« Reply #3 on: June 20, 2011, 01:33:52 AM »
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However, Guoguang (represented in cyan), leaving every 15min, runs directly to Taipei Main (Train) Station, which is just one stop away from Ximen. I suppose that would be the quickest way to get from the airport to Ximending by public transport?

I don't know if there's any tasks which teams have to complete near ZhongXiao Fuxing, but I can tell you that you're right that taking the bus is the quickest way to get to Ximending from the Airport. The buses are fast, efficient and cost savings too. However which buses is it will depend on the timings teams arrive in Taipei, I remembered when I was there the GuoGuang bus was delayed/no schedule/or whatsoever reason so I got on to the Dayou bus instead.

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Re: AR19 Primary TRANSPORTATION OPTIONS
« Reply #4 on: June 20, 2011, 07:19:26 AM »
To the primary 3 flights listed by Neobie above needs to be added this one just slightly later:

MH95 LAX TPE nonstop departed 0111 (scheduled 0045) and arrived 0552+1 (scheduled 0615+1)


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Re: AR19 Primary TRANSPORTATION OPTIONS
« Reply #5 on: June 20, 2011, 08:31:54 AM »
Wow, Pit Start already? They're moving along really fast this time!

Apskip already has some flights below...
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Re: AR19 Primary TRANSPORTATION OPTIONS
« Reply #6 on: June 20, 2011, 10:07:03 AM »
Leg 2 flights -  if Taipei to Jakarta there are 3 excellent nonstop flights available if there was some amount of extended pit stop (which I consider likely):

CI5855 0805 1205

CI761 (code-share GA9981) 0845 1300

BR237 0900 1310

Note: this has been modified to add CI5855 as a result of Prophet's comment below.
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Re: AR19 Primary TRANSPORTATION OPTIONS
« Reply #7 on: June 20, 2011, 12:23:26 PM »
There are two basic rail routes across Java : A North Coastal Route running Jakarta-Cirebon-Semarang-Surabaya; and A Southerly Route Jakarta-Bandung-Yogyakarta-Solo-Surabaya. Yogyakarta is on the Southerly Route.
TRAIN SCHEDULE
KA Argo Lawu Jakarta–Solo 03.10
KA Argo Dwipangga Jakarta–Solo 15.10
KA Taksaka Malam Jakarta–Yogyakarta 04.42
KA Taksaka Pagi Jakarta–Yogyakarta 16.21
KA Senja Utama Jakarta–Yogyakarta 04.46
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Re: AR19 Primary TRANSPORTATION OPTIONS
« Reply #8 on: June 20, 2011, 12:29:26 PM »
Leg 2 flights -  if Taipei to Jakarta there are 2 excellent nonstop flights available if there was some amount of extended pit stop (which I consider likely):

CI761 (code-share GA9981) 0845 1300

BR237 0900 1310

Don't forget CI 5855. That would be their quickest choice.

And going to HKG and getting on GA873 or CX777 is almost as good as the other options.
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Re: AR19 Primary TRANSPORTATION OPTIONS
« Reply #9 on: June 20, 2011, 12:48:00 PM »
apskip, there's a KA Bima that departs from Jakarta at 5 pm & arrives at Yogya close to 1 am.
This is the earliest arrival in Yogya.
For train departure list departing from Jakarta to Yogya, here's a good website http://gudeg.net/en/train_search_result.html


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Re: AR19 Primary TRANSPORTATION OPTIONS
« Reply #10 on: June 20, 2011, 12:59:01 PM »
Thanks very much, Krabbe. That train finder link was very useful. Although I had found the official schedules for Java, it was laid out like Indian Rail schedules. If a city is an intermediate stop and not the origin or final stop, you may not find its timing.

Here is the information from Krabbe's link above:

Train Name    From    To    Time*
WIT
KA Argo Lawu    Jakarta    Solo    03.42
KA Argo Dwipangga    Jakarta    Solo    15.15
KA Taksaka Pagi    Jakarta    Yogyakarta    16.28
KA Taksaka Malam    Jakarta    Yogyakarta    04.30
KA Jayabaya Selatan    Jakarta    Surabaya    23.16
KA Gajayana    Jakarta    Malang    01.30
KA Bima    Jakarta    Surabaya    00.47
KA Senja Utama Solo    Jakarta    Solo    05.17
KA Senja Utama Yogya    Jakarta    Yogyakarta    04.46
KA Fajar Utama Yogya    Jakarta    Yogyakarta    14.00
KA Gaya Baru Malam    Jakarta    Surabaya    21.44
KA Progo    Jakarta    Yogyakarta    06.20
KA Bengawan    Jakarta    Solo    05.30

Here is the information that shows departures but not for trains where Yogyakarta is an intermediate stop:

train 40 dep. Jakarta Gambir 0845 arr. Yogyakarta 1625
train 42 dep. Jakarta Gambir 2045 arr. Yogyakarta 0930

Considering Solo is a connecting point, the departures from Jakarta are so close to those just above that it is pointless to do that.

Considering Bandung as a connecting point it also does not appear to work.
 
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Re: AR19 Primary TRANSPORTATION OPTIONS
« Reply #11 on: June 20, 2011, 01:10:14 PM »
No worries, apskip.

Actually the time shown on that list is the arrival time in Yogya (if you click on the train name, it will show you a more detailed schedule...e.g departs Jakarta at x hour, arrives in Yogya at x hour, departs Yogya at x hour, arrives at final stop at x hour, etc)

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Re: AR19 Primary TRANSPORTATION OPTIONS
« Reply #12 on: June 20, 2011, 01:45:22 PM »
To the primary 3 flights listed by Neobie above needs to be added this one just slightly later:

MH95 LAX TPE nonstop departed 0111 (scheduled 0045) and arrived 0552+1 (scheduled 0615+1)

I don't believe they used MH95. ;)
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Re: AR19 Primary TRANSPORTATION OPTIONS
« Reply #13 on: June 20, 2011, 01:48:12 PM »
What are the most likely Train stations in Jakarta for these schedules please?
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Re: AR19 Primary TRANSPORTATION OPTIONS
« Reply #14 on: June 20, 2011, 04:55:18 PM »
What are the most likely Train stations in Jakarta for these schedules please?

That's an easy one thanks to prior in the day research. It is Gambir station from which trains to Yogyakarta leave. Trains leaving the Kota station follow the northern route and don't come near Yogyakarta.

Note: here is some additional information derived from a post by Prama below -

Peach, Pasarsenen is a third station in Jakarta and some trains for Yogyakarta leave from there.
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Re: AR19 Primary TRANSPORTATION OPTIONS
« Reply #15 on: June 20, 2011, 06:51:17 PM »
Here are some possibilities for teams to get a train from Jakarta to Jogjakarta
Teams may take the train either form Gambir or Statsiun Jakarta Kota




I think they will take a night train....
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Re: AR19 Primary TRANSPORTATION OPTIONS
« Reply #16 on: June 20, 2011, 06:58:49 PM »
If it helps, supposing that they get on the best flights they will arrive in Jakarta around noon to 14.00 local time.
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Re: AR19 Primary TRANSPORTATION OPTIONS
« Reply #17 on: June 20, 2011, 07:02:11 PM »
If it helps, supposing that they get on the best flights they will arrive in Jakarta around noon to 14.00 local time.

Yeah, and they will wait until around 7-8pm for the night train...and they will arrive around 2am - 4am in Jogja :tup:
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Re: AR19 Primary TRANSPORTATION OPTIONS
« Reply #18 on: June 20, 2011, 07:05:28 PM »
So probably not any tasks or activity until the 22nd (Jakarta time). Maybe by around 19.00 EDT tomorrow there will be something else.
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Re: AR19 Primary TRANSPORTATION OPTIONS
« Reply #19 on: June 20, 2011, 09:50:21 PM »
Prama, thanks for the hint at what Pasarsenen is, a third Jakarta station after Kota and Gambir. It looks like a close call between using the 1930 departure from Pasarsenen arriving Yogyakarta 0402 and the 2015 departure from Gambir arriving 0444.
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« Reply #20 on: June 20, 2011, 09:55:21 PM »
Which of those stations is easiest to get to from the airport??
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« Reply #21 on: June 20, 2011, 09:56:38 PM »
So probably not any tasks or activity until the 22nd (Jakarta time). Maybe by around 19.00 EDT tomorrow there will be something else.

Again, you can not say that. There is a big time window there, there could well be a route info task to get the train info.
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Re: AR19 Primary TRANSPORTATION OPTIONS
« Reply #23 on: June 20, 2011, 11:33:14 PM »
Which of those stations is easiest to get to from the airport??

That would be Kota station

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« Reply #24 on: June 20, 2011, 11:43:59 PM »
Consolidating the above posts and double-checking everything...

The postings by our Taiwanese friends give us a rough estimate of departure times:
9.49am: Three teams just checked in on the mat.
11.26pm: After 12h at the Pit Stop, the teams arrive on a bus from their accomodation and prepare to leave.

Teams would have missed this flight to Jakarta:
20 JUN 2011
KA 483 (2055-2235) from Taipei to Hong Kong
RI 841 (2335-0400) from Hong Kong to Jakarta

But have a chance of making this one:
21 JUN 2011
CI 5871 (0005-0420) from Taipei to Singapore
GA 823 (0725-0810) from Singapore to Jakarta

The next best flights are the directs we have:
CI 5855 (0805-1205) from Taipei to Jakarta
CI 761 (0845-1300) from Taipei to Jakarta
BR 237 (0900-1310) from Taipei to Jakarta

The Indonesia rail website (can read enough Bahasa to make it through the system) shows departures from Gambir and Jatinegara Stations in Jakarta, but produces an error for the Kota and Pasar Senen Stations. Blue are the trains confirmed by the official website, red are additional ones from the website suggested by Krabbe, and purple is an additional one provided by Prama:

21 JUN 2011
Gaya Baru Malam (1150-2144) from Jakarta to Yogyakarta
Jayabaya Selatan (1400-2316) from Jakarta to Yogyakarta

Bima 10034 (1700-0042) from Jakarta Gambir to Yogyakarta
Gajayana (1715-0130) from Jakarta to Yogyakarta
Argo Lawu 40008 (2000-0338) from Jakarta Gambir to Yogyakarta
Taksaka Malam 10042 (2045-0430) from Jakarta Gambir to Yogyakarta

Progo (2115-0620) from Jakarta to Yogyakarta

Slower trains:
Senja Utama Yogya (1930-0402) from Jakarta Pasar Senen to Yogyakarta
Senja Utm Yk 10110 (1942-0410) from Jakarta Jatinegara to Yogyakarta
Senja Utm Solo 40106 (2027-0512) from Jakarta Jatinegara to Yogyakarta

Bengawan (2040-0530) from Jakarta to Yogyakarta

That's a pretty wide spread of possible arrival times, but since the earliest possible train arrives at almost ten in the evening, I'd agree with Prophet and it looks certain that everyone will be held up by an Hours of Operation when they get to Yogyakarta.
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