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Re: TAR 19 Locations/Destinations **Spoilers**
« Reply #100 on: June 24, 2011, 09:16:55 AM »
I'm a little confused by that sighting because FD3031 departed BKK at 19.00 and teams could not arrive until 20.00

Did I miss something? Hopefully he can ID the team he saw.
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Re: TAR 19 Locations/Destinations **Spoilers**
« Reply #101 on: June 24, 2011, 09:20:02 AM »
I'm a little confused by that sighting because FD3031 departed BKK at 19.00 and teams could not arrive until 20.00

Did I miss something? Hopefully he can ID the team he saw.

Perhaps it is the case therefore that the sequestered team was sent earlier than the racing teams to BKK before heading on to Phuket. BKK itself might be the leg, or a transit airport.

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Re: TAR 19 Locations/Destinations **Spoilers**
« Reply #102 on: June 24, 2011, 10:14:41 AM »
So teams are now traveling from Jogja to Jakarta to Bangkok to Phuket and have arrived. Thailand is one of the premier destinations for beaches South Asia.

Actually, from the posts what we know now is that ONE team has travelled to Phuket. We do not yet have evidence for "teams" right? Could easily be for ES.

Ah good point. Wasn't a Thai island the ES for last year?

Yes....Ko Samui. I still think that ES will be the same one used last season. It's most accessible for the early teams getting booted, and later in the race (after about the 5th elimination) the remaining teams are used as decoys and never go to ES. When I posted this spec earlier on a different thread, someone said that it wasn't likely because it would depend on where their final destination is, but that doesn't make sense because last season they were kept in Thailand and then flown to Rio then Miami, which is about as far and out of the way as you could ever get. In the end it all comes down to money, and Thailand is extremely affordable, it's geographically close to where the early teams are getting the boot, and it's easy for them to arrange and coordinate since they just used the same spot last season. And again, it's cheap, certainly a LOT cheaper than anywhere in Europe.

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Re: TAR 19 Locations/Destinations **Spoilers**
« Reply #103 on: June 24, 2011, 12:21:52 PM »
Do we know if eliminated teams usually travel to ES with a camera crew in tow as described by that traveler on FB? That's the part that makes me wonder if this is a team that has managed to pull ahead by making some very close connections.
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Re: TAR 19 Locations/Destinations **Spoilers**
« Reply #104 on: June 24, 2011, 12:37:31 PM »
Do we know if eliminated teams usually travel to ES with a camera crew in tow as described by that traveler on FB? That's the part that makes me wonder if this is a team that has managed to pull ahead by making some very close connections.

I would highly doubt that teams traveling to the ES would have a camera crew with them. What use would they have for the footage? I could see the camera crew taking the same flight as the eliminated team if the team goes to ES and the now unneeded camera crew heads back to the USA. However, I doubt the camera crew would be taking their equipment with them in that case. If the FB traveler saw a team and camera crew filming then most likely they are a team that has gotten ahead of other teams (or at least is taking a different route).


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Re: TAR 19 Locations/Destinations **Spoilers**
« Reply #105 on: June 24, 2011, 12:49:47 PM »
Well, there is QZ 7744 from Jakarta to Phuket arriving at 18.50. However the spotter said they were on a flight from BKK.

Otherwise if someone departed early enough they could make QZ 7138 straight from JOG and arrive in Singapore by 10.45 then connect to TG 404 and arrive in Bangkok at 12.47. and from there take PG 273 to arrive in Phuket at 15.20

This sequence does not seem extremely likely but it shows that there are other options that could be narrowly made.
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Re: TAR 19 Locations/Destinations **Spoilers**
« Reply #106 on: June 24, 2011, 12:51:05 PM »
Sure they can have a crew! IF we are going to see ES this season :lol:
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Re: TAR 19 Locations/Destinations **Spoilers**
« Reply #107 on: June 24, 2011, 01:21:48 PM »
Sure they can have a crew! IF we are going to see ES this season :lol:

I was figuring we wouldn't have ES this season.  :(  I still don't see why they would need footage of the eliminated teams traveling to ES. The ES would have it's own film crew for post elimination confessionals, etc. if they do have an ES.

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Re: TAR 19 Locations/Destinations **Spoilers**
« Reply #108 on: June 24, 2011, 04:09:15 PM »
The FB post purportedly said this:
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He was part of the filming Crew for the amazing race.

Maybe he was just the "Handler" that travels with teams to ES.  It doesn't sound like the poster saw cameras, etc.
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Re: TAR 19 Locations/Destinations **Spoilers**
« Reply #109 on: June 25, 2011, 01:28:23 PM »
Not sure if Elimination Station would be in Phuket or Koh Samui, but a team being transported to Koh Samui will not be flying towards Phuket.

That said, I'm surprised there're no sightings in Phuket?
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Re: TAR 19 Locations/Destinations **Spoilers**
« Reply #110 on: June 25, 2011, 02:09:38 PM »
Not sure if Elimination Station would be in Phuket or Koh Samui, but a team being transported to Koh Samui will not be flying towards Phuket.

That said, I'm surprised there're no sightings in Phuket?

You're wrong. To get to Ko Samui, you fly through Bangkok or Phuket. There are several cheap non-stop flights that go from Phuket to Ko    Samui. Just do a kayak search and see for yourself.

And again, there are no sightings in Phuket because the race isn't going to Phuket. This is an eliminated team going to ES in Ko Samui.

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Re: TAR 19 Locations/Destinations **Spoilers**
« Reply #111 on: June 25, 2011, 02:11:17 PM »
We THINK. ^^ :tup: Not yet 100% confirmed either way...
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Re: TAR 19 Locations/Destinations **Spoilers**
« Reply #112 on: June 25, 2011, 02:18:21 PM »
I think Neobie's point is that why would you fly from Bangkok to Phuket and then continue to Koh Samui when you could have just got straight from BKK to Koh Samui?
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Re: TAR 19 Locations/Destinations **Spoilers**
« Reply #113 on: June 25, 2011, 02:33:59 PM »
I think Neobie's point is that why would you fly from Bangkok to Phuket and then continue to Koh Samui when you could have just got straight from BKK to Koh Samui?

For the same reasons I have to fly through Chicago or Denver to get to New York, even though I could go straight from LAX to NYC on a nonstop flight.

-availability
-price
-convenience/departure times

Of course we'd all love to fly nonstop whenever it's an option, but often times we don't for any or all of the above reasons. Production doesn't have an unlimited budget and the nonstop flights from Phuket to Ko Samui are very cheap ($89).

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Here's an example to illustrate my point. Flight search for a one way ticket from Jakarta to Ko Samui departing later this week:

$664 is cheapest option, and all flights with this price are via Phuket
$995 is the price to fly to Ko Samui on a direct flight from Bangkok (!!) and this itinerary would be ~6.5 hours, only around two hours shorter than the cheaper option through Phuket (~8.5 hours)

I think if WRP could save $1000 by having a team and one production person take the first option, it makes perfect sense.
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Re: TAR 19 Locations/Destinations **Spoilers**
« Reply #114 on: June 25, 2011, 02:36:55 PM »
They had already made a lot of stops on this journey. WRP rarely plans that many stopovers.

Jogja > Jakarta > Bangkok > Phuket > Koh Samui seems unlikely. BTW where did the Koh Samui spec come from anyway?
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Re: TAR 19 Locations/Destinations **Spoilers**
« Reply #115 on: June 25, 2011, 02:51:25 PM »
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Koh Samui spec come from anyway?

As I understand it, there's a belief that because that was where last season's ES was, that TPTB would be using it again because of the location of the first five or so eliminations. It is also speculation.

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Re: TAR 19 Locations/Destinations **Spoilers**
« Reply #116 on: June 25, 2011, 03:05:31 PM »
They had already made a lot of stops on this journey. WRP rarely plans that many stopovers.

Jogja > Jakarta > Bangkok > Phuket > Koh Samui seems unlikely.

Do a flight search yourself and see what you come up with. Nearly every flight out of Jogya is to Jakarta or another city in Indonesia. There's one to Kuala Lumpor, but even that one would still go through Phuket. Any flight from Jakarta will involve stops, and the ones that go through Phuket are hundreds of dollars cheaper than those that go directly from Bangkok to Ko Samui. See my post above for an example.

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Re: TAR 19 Locations/Destinations **Spoilers**
« Reply #117 on: June 25, 2011, 03:51:51 PM »
I think Neobie's point is that why would you fly from Bangkok to Phuket and then continue to Koh Samui when you could have just got straight from BKK to Koh Samui?

For the same reasons I have to fly through Chicago or Denver to get to New York, even though I could go straight from LAX to NYC on a nonstop flight.

-availability
-price
-convenience/departure times

Of course we'd all love to fly nonstop whenever it's an option, but often times we don't for any or all of the above reasons. Production doesn't have an unlimited budget and the nonstop flights from Phuket to Ko Samui are very cheap ($89).

ETA:
Here's an example to illustrate my point. Flight search for a one way ticket from Jakarta to Ko Samui departing later this week:

$664 is cheapest option, and all flights with this price are via Phuket
$995 is the price to fly through Bangkok (!!) and this itinerary would be ~6.5 hours, only around two hours shorter than the cheaper option through Phuket (~8.5 hours)

I think if WRP could save $1000 by having a team and one production person take the first option, it makes perfect sense.

That's odd ?

I get a routing from Jakarta to BKK to Koh Sumui for $974 that looks like this

Thai Airways Flight 434    3h 30m
     Take-off    Fri 12:35p    CGK    Jakarta, Indonesia
     Landing    Fri 4:05p    BKK    Bangkok, Thailand
     Coach  |  Airbus A330-300 (Wide-body Jet)  | 3h 30m  | 1444 miles
     Connection    BKK    Bangkok, Thailand    4h 55m
   Bangkok Airways Flight 199    1h 00m
     Take-off    Fri 9:00p    BKK    Bangkok, Thailand
     Landing    Fri 10:00p    USM    Ko Samui, Thailand
     Coach  |  Airbus A319 (Narrow-body Jet)  | 1h 00m

And the only routes that do include Phuket also happen to go through KUL and those are coming in at $664.  They look like this:

Malaysia Airlines Flight 710    2h 00m
     Take-off    Fri 11:10a    CGK    Jakarta, Indonesia
     Landing    Fri 2:10p    KUL    Sepang, Malaysia
     Coach  |  Boeing 737-800 (Narrow-body Jet)  | 2h 00m
     Connection    KUL    Sepang, Malaysia    
3h 00m
   Malaysia Airlines Flight 790    1h 15m
     Take-off    Fri 5:10p    KUL    Sepang, Malaysia
     Landing    Fri 5:25p    HKT    Phuket, Thailand
     Coach  |  Boeing 737-400 (Narrow-body Jet)  | 1h 15m
     Connection    HKT    Phuket, Thailand    
1h 40m
   Bangkok Airways Flight 258    0h 55m
     Take-off    Fri 7:05p    HKT    Phuket, Thailand
     Landing    Fri 8:00p    USM    Ko Samui, Thailand
     Coach  |  Aerospatiale/Alenia ATR 72 (Turbo-prop Plane)  | 0h 55m

But since we know the racers were spotted on a flight from BKK and not from KUL we can conlude that they were not continuing to Koh Sumui.
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Re: TAR 19 Locations/Destinations **Spoilers**
« Reply #118 on: June 25, 2011, 05:41:05 PM »
Amazing Race
Amazing Race "Yogyakarta" is a reflection of The Amazing Race which is one of the most prestigious programs in the world games. Amazing Race "Yogyakarta" is an event for participants GMAD 2011 for travel as well as run games with the route on Jalan Malioboro. Jalan Malioboro is a famous icon in Yogyakarta. This road to Sultan Palace so that participants can simultaneously travel around the Jalan Malioboro and Sultan Palace.
Amazing Race "Yogyakarta" have games involving every aspect related to Yogyakarta. It aims to introduce the culture of Yogyakarta in a much more enjoyable. Games are related to social and environmental concerns. This is done as a form of CSR (Corporate Social Responsibility). It should be an event not only celebration, but also must be balanced by activities in the form of CSR.

http://feb.ugm.ac.id/en/agenda/205-gadjah-mada-accounting-days-2011.html
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Re: TAR 19 Locations/Destinations **Spoilers**
« Reply #119 on: June 25, 2011, 06:15:39 PM »
Amazing Race
Amazing Race "Yogyakarta" is a reflection of The Amazing Race which is one of the most prestigious programs in the world games. Amazing Race "Yogyakarta" is an event for participants GMAD 2011 for travel as well as run games with the route on Jalan Malioboro. Jalan Malioboro is a famous icon in Yogyakarta. This road to Sultan Palace so that participants can simultaneously travel around the Jalan Malioboro and Sultan Palace.
Amazing Race "Yogyakarta" have games involving every aspect related to Yogyakarta. It aims to introduce the culture of Yogyakarta in a much more enjoyable. Games are related to social and environmental concerns. This is done as a form of CSR (Corporate Social Responsibility). It should be an event not only celebration, but also must be balanced by activities in the form of CSR.

http://feb.ugm.ac.id/en/agenda/205-gadjah-mada-accounting-days-2011.html
I found it and I have no idea.. :duno:

That press release (or whatever it is) was dated March 23, 2011 and talks about some kind of seminar in May 2011 for accounting students in Yogyakarta. The Amazing Race portion appears to be some kind of fun activity for the accounting students at the seminar to learn about the local culture of Yogyakarta. Local Amazing Race versions for students are very popular in Indonesia and other parts of Asia. I see them frequently when hunting for real TAR information.

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Re: TAR 19 Locations/Destinations **Spoilers**
« Reply #120 on: June 28, 2011, 08:08:11 AM »
YAY!!

Thanks to zacz, we can look forward to a MALAWI leg 6!!

This fits perfectly...some of us have been tracking rumors of a Kenyan leg.

So (without any sightings sadly) Kenya would still fit beautifully between Phuket and Malawi!!


And since Kenya is my special place of my heart, I am ecstatic at the thought!! I have been grieving for that "lost" Tanzanian leg for years!

Phuket=leg 4
Kenya (unconfirmed) =leg 5
Malawi =leg 6

Now...if they will only go on and redo the leg 1 bungy at Victoria Falls for leg 7 my joy would be complete!! :hearts:
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Re: TAR 19 Locations/Destinations **Spoilers**
« Reply #121 on: June 28, 2011, 08:17:29 AM »
Possibilities from the safari website:

http://www.landlake.net/index.php/general-info/malawi

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Re: TAR 19 Locations/Destinations **Spoilers**
« Reply #122 on: June 28, 2011, 08:34:10 AM »
After looking at the 'land and lake safaris' website I've noticed that they do alot of tours in Zambia as well - So it is possible that they are talking about the Zambia side of Lake Malawi

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Re: TAR 19 Locations/Destinations **Spoilers**
« Reply #123 on: June 28, 2011, 08:40:17 AM »
Updating the timeline!


It's extremely fortunate that zacz found this leak on FB because Malawi is among the world's least developed countries and I highly doubt we would have gotten any sightings there.
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Re: TAR 19 Locations/Destinations **Spoilers**
« Reply #124 on: June 28, 2011, 11:20:47 AM »
Before Facebook, that safari place probably would have had a webpage; we've found wuite a few locations that way before FB and Twitter.

I'm glad to know that they are headed to Africa, although I admit I wouldn't have thought of Malawi. But it borders several Africa countries the Race has visited, and I agree with Peach that a leg in another east or south African country would be highly probable from a planning perspective. (Among other things, after the fiasco with airline flights during TARAS, TPTB must have a leg planned after Malawi (or provided transportation) so the teams can get out of the region. Could that be where Johannesburg comes in?)

One other thought. Michele Obama and the First Daughters are in southern Africa taking in a safari (which is why nothing has been in the news since after the day they spent with Nelson Mandela)
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