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Re: TAR Disaster Curse
« Reply #275 on: January 01, 2015, 03:34:38 AM »
While the Air Asia disaster is tragic -- I don't understand why air traffic control denied the pilot's request to ascend above the thunderstorms on the flight path -- it technically does not come within the definition of the TAR disaster curse because it didn't happen in the time period between the filming and U.S. broadcast of the TAR 25 Singapore leg.

It is insane that the two airlines involved in the three air disasters of 2014are both headquartered in Mayalsia but so far, the issue of the weather and the ATC handling of the pilot's altitude request seem to be the main cause for concern and that may not be viewed as an airline safety problem. From what I know of the U.S. federal aviation regulations, a request of that kind from a pilot is to be granted unless there's something highly unusual that requires a denial. And I've not heard a thing along those lines.

There was another plane in the way.

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Re: TAR Disaster Curse
« Reply #276 on: January 01, 2015, 05:10:01 AM »
While the Air Asia disaster is tragic -- I don't understand why air traffic control denied the pilot's request to ascend above the thunderstorms on the flight path -- it technically does not come within the definition of the TAR disaster curse because it didn't happen in the time period between the filming and U.S. broadcast of the TAR 25 Singapore leg.

It is insane that the two airlines involved in the three air disasters of 2014are both headquartered in Mayalsia but so far, the issue of the weather and the ATC handling of the pilot's altitude request seem to be the main cause for concern and that may not be viewed as an airline safety problem. From what I know of the U.S. federal aviation regulations, a request of that kind from a pilot is to be granted unless there's something highly unusual that requires a denial. And I've not heard a thing along those lines.

Indonesia AirAsia has its headquarters in Tangerang, Indonesia, not Malaysia.

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« Reply #277 on: January 01, 2015, 04:41:59 PM »
While the Air Asia disaster is tragic -- I don't understand why air traffic control denied the pilot's request to ascend above the thunderstorms on the flight path -- it technically does not come within the definition of the TAR disaster curse because it didn't happen in the time period between the filming and U.S. broadcast of the TAR 25 Singapore leg.

It is insane that the two airlines involved in the three air disasters of 2014are both headquartered in Mayalsia but so far, the issue of the weather and the ATC handling of the pilot's altitude request seem to be the main cause for concern and that may not be viewed as an airline safety problem. From what I know of the U.S. federal aviation regulations, a request of that kind from a pilot is to be granted unless there's something highly unusual that requires a denial. And I've not heard a thing along those lines.

The reports I've heard have indicated that a change in altitude at that point would have put them in the flight paths of other planes.  Supposedly they were told that they would be able to change altitude at a later point after they had cleared the other air traffic.  I'm not sure if that's what the media was told or if they're speculating on the second part.

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Re: TAR Disaster Curse
« Reply #279 on: January 04, 2015, 08:37:59 AM »
While the Air Asia disaster is tragic -- I don't understand why air traffic control denied the pilot's request to ascend above the thunderstorms on the flight path -- it technically does not come within the definition of the TAR disaster curse because it didn't happen in the time period between the filming and U.S. broadcast of the TAR 25 Singapore leg.

It is insane that the two airlines involved in the three air disasters of 2014are both headquartered in Mayalsia but so far, the issue of the weather and the ATC handling of the pilot's altitude request seem to be the main cause for concern and that may not be viewed as an airline safety problem. From what I know of the U.S. federal aviation regulations, a request of that kind from a pilot is to be granted unless there's something highly unusual that requires a denial. And I've not heard a thing along those lines.

Indonesia AirAsia has its headquarters in Tangerang, Indonesia, not Malaysia.

I think he's trying to mean that AirAsia belongs to Malaysia. And I think there were other plane crashes this year, including TransAsia in Taiwan plus an African airline... I think it's Ethiopian Airlines. These were the "major" commercial airlines crashes with many fatalities I think.
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Re: TAR Disaster Curse
« Reply #280 on: January 04, 2015, 08:45:46 AM »
While the Air Asia disaster is tragic -- I don't understand why air traffic control denied the pilot's request to ascend above the thunderstorms on the flight path -- it technically does not come within the definition of the TAR disaster curse because it didn't happen in the time period between the filming and U.S. broadcast of the TAR 25 Singapore leg.

It is insane that the two airlines involved in the three air disasters of 2014are both headquartered in Mayalsia but so far, the issue of the weather and the ATC handling of the pilot's altitude request seem to be the main cause for concern and that may not be viewed as an airline safety problem. From what I know of the U.S. federal aviation regulations, a request of that kind from a pilot is to be granted unless there's something highly unusual that requires a denial. And I've not heard a thing along those lines.

Indonesia AirAsia has its headquarters in Tangerang, Indonesia, not Malaysia.

I think he's trying to mean that AirAsia belongs to Malaysia. And I think there were other plane crashes this year, including TransAsia in Taiwan plus an African airline... I think it's Ethiopian Airlines. These were the "major" commercial airlines crashes with many fatalities I think.

Indonesia AirAsia is not majority owned by AirAsia though. Also funfacts in terms of flights per fatal accident 2014 was the safest year ever. Also the African airline is Air Algerie.
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« Reply #281 on: January 09, 2015, 06:46:23 PM »
Terrorist attacks in Paris, France. Sad.  :'(

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« Reply #282 on: January 09, 2015, 10:22:11 PM »
While the Air Asia disaster is tragic -- I don't understand why air traffic control denied the pilot's request to ascend above the thunderstorms on the flight path -- it technically does not come within the definition of the TAR disaster curse because it didn't happen in the time period between the filming and U.S. broadcast of the TAR 25 Singapore leg.

It is insane that the two airlines involved in the three air disasters of 2014are both headquartered in Mayalsia but so far, the issue of the weather and the ATC handling of the pilot's altitude request seem to be the main cause for concern and that may not be viewed as an airline safety problem. From what I know of the U.S. federal aviation regulations, a request of that kind from a pilot is to be granted unless there's something highly unusual that requires a denial. And I've not heard a thing along those lines.

Indonesia AirAsia has its headquarters in Tangerang, Indonesia, not Malaysia.

I think he's trying to mean that AirAsia belongs to Malaysia. And I think there were other plane crashes this year, including TransAsia in Taiwan plus an African airline... I think it's Ethiopian Airlines. These were the "major" commercial airlines crashes with many fatalities I think.

Indonesia AirAsia is not majority owned by AirAsia though. Also funfacts in terms of flights per fatal accident 2014 was the safest year ever. Also the African airline is Air Algerie.

Yea, but the idea is that, AirAsia is still headquartered in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia and it is the parent company of Indonesia AirAsia..? #ImDoneHere lol
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Re: TAR Disaster Curse
« Reply #283 on: January 09, 2015, 11:44:42 PM »
While the Air Asia disaster is tragic -- I don't understand why air traffic control denied the pilot's request to ascend above the thunderstorms on the flight path -- it technically does not come within the definition of the TAR disaster curse because it didn't happen in the time period between the filming and U.S. broadcast of the TAR 25 Singapore leg.

It is insane that the two airlines involved in the three air disasters of 2014are both headquartered in Mayalsia but so far, the issue of the weather and the ATC handling of the pilot's altitude request seem to be the main cause for concern and that may not be viewed as an airline safety problem. From what I know of the U.S. federal aviation regulations, a request of that kind from a pilot is to be granted unless there's something highly unusual that requires a denial. And I've not heard a thing along those lines.

Indonesia AirAsia has its headquarters in Tangerang, Indonesia, not Malaysia.

I think he's trying to mean that AirAsia belongs to Malaysia. And I think there were other plane crashes this year, including TransAsia in Taiwan plus an African airline... I think it's Ethiopian Airlines. These were the "major" commercial airlines crashes with many fatalities I think.

Indonesia AirAsia is not majority owned by AirAsia though. Also funfacts in terms of flights per fatal accident 2014 was the safest year ever. Also the African airline is Air Algerie.

Yea, but the idea is that, AirAsia is still headquartered in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia and it is the parent company of Indonesia AirAsia..? #ImDoneHere lol

They're affiliates, not owned by AirAsia.
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Re: TAR Disaster Curse
« Reply #284 on: January 10, 2015, 05:59:04 AM »
While the Air Asia disaster is tragic -- I don't understand why air traffic control denied the pilot's request to ascend above the thunderstorms on the flight path -- it technically does not come within the definition of the TAR disaster curse because it didn't happen in the time period between the filming and U.S. broadcast of the TAR 25 Singapore leg.

It is insane that the two airlines involved in the three air disasters of 2014are both headquartered in Mayalsia but so far, the issue of the weather and the ATC handling of the pilot's altitude request seem to be the main cause for concern and that may not be viewed as an airline safety problem. From what I know of the U.S. federal aviation regulations, a request of that kind from a pilot is to be granted unless there's something highly unusual that requires a denial. And I've not heard a thing along those lines.

Indonesia AirAsia has its headquarters in Tangerang, Indonesia, not Malaysia.

I think he's trying to mean that AirAsia belongs to Malaysia. And I think there were other plane crashes this year, including TransAsia in Taiwan plus an African airline... I think it's Ethiopian Airlines. These were the "major" commercial airlines crashes with many fatalities I think.

Indonesia AirAsia is not majority owned by AirAsia though. Also funfacts in terms of flights per fatal accident 2014 was the safest year ever. Also the African airline is Air Algerie.

Yea, but the idea is that, AirAsia is still headquartered in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia and it is the parent company of Indonesia AirAsia..? #ImDoneHere lol

They're affiliates, not owned by AirAsia.

^^ (AirAsia do have a minority stake but it is majority owned by PT Fersindo Nusaperkasa (probably butchered that)), and has its HQ in Tangerang, Indonesia.


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Re: TAR Disaster Curse
« Reply #285 on: March 25, 2015, 07:07:40 AM »
since Germany is now feature on TAR 26, here's the latest disaster curse: https://ph.news.yahoo.com/latest-germanwings-says-plane-went-142004545.html

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Re: TAR Disaster Curse
« Reply #286 on: March 25, 2015, 09:30:22 AM »
since Germany is now feature on TAR 26, here's the latest disaster curse: https://ph.news.yahoo.com/latest-germanwings-says-plane-went-142004545.html

are you crazy plane crash was in france
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Re: TAR Disaster Curse
« Reply #287 on: March 25, 2015, 09:41:02 AM »
since Germany is now feature on TAR 26, here's the latest disaster curse: https://ph.news.yahoo.com/latest-germanwings-says-plane-went-142004545.html

are you stupid plane crash was in france


Well technically the destination was Dusseldorf in Germany..

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Re: TAR Disaster Curse
« Reply #288 on: March 25, 2015, 10:02:57 AM »
since Germany is now feature on TAR 26, here's the latest disaster curse: https://ph.news.yahoo.com/latest-germanwings-says-plane-went-142004545.html

are you stupid plane crash was in france


Oh no. Hope all of them survive. Btw France was also feature in TAR26 IIRC?
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Re: TAR Disaster Curse
« Reply #289 on: March 25, 2015, 11:46:34 AM »
since Germany is now feature on TAR 26, here's the latest disaster curse: https://ph.news.yahoo.com/latest-germanwings-says-plane-went-142004545.html

are you stupid plane crash was in france


Oh no. Hope all of them survive. Btw France was also feature in TAR26 IIRC?

Sadly, no one survived.

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Re: TAR Disaster Curse
« Reply #290 on: March 26, 2015, 09:56:04 PM »
 :ascared  Took a trip in the RFF time machine through the TAR archives to pull up this "coincidence".

GMan's Germanwings spoiler

 Seems some TAR 7 Episode 11 racers flew on Germanwings.   :ascared   Bit of a stretch, but yet another disaster waiting to happen, 10 years later. OK, maybe not, but still scary.   :o

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« Reply #291 on: March 27, 2015, 08:49:09 AM »
Sorry but people can find "events all over the place to fit their theories.  For example, there is no "Bermuda Triangle " that eats planes and ships.  it has been proven that there are no more incidents in that area than in any other that has equivalent traffic.  TAR has a huge amount of travel in every show so there are going to be things happen in the same area they have been what, ten years ago?  Come on.

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« Reply #292 on: March 27, 2015, 09:24:06 AM »
I do not believe in a TAR Disaster Curse...but tracking coincidences is fun.

Meanwhile, my heart goes out to the friends and families of those on the flight lost...so very very sad.

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« Reply #293 on: March 31, 2015, 11:45:10 PM »
The whole thing with Germanwings is sad, and concerning, and maybe some things in commercial passnger aviation will finally be changed.

I'm not sure that this air disaster technically counts, because it did happen in France, and not Germany. But at least one change has already happened, with Europe and other areas adopting the previously adopted rule in the US and Canada requiring two crew members to be in the cockpit at all times.
Hopefully, they can come up with a better system than self-reporting of psychological health issues, since once hired, most airlines never check their pilots on that score ever again.
And it's about time for GPS real-time tracking, and real-time video feed from the cockpit to the ground air traffic control.
And perhaps an "escape mechanism" to allow pilots and or crews to unlock the cabin door in an emergency (perhaps like the three key military system for nuclear codes) that are unique and independent. There's a reason for a locked cabin in terms of hijackings that go back to the 1960s, but there also needs to be a way to get into the locked cabin in an emergency, such as this flight, the recent Silk Airways disaster, and the United Flight 92 on 9/11.

It is very odd to have this many major airline disasters (five) in just over a year. I don't think we've had this many in such a short period since 9/11.
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Re: TAR Disaster Curse
« Reply #294 on: April 01, 2015, 10:24:44 AM »
The whole thing with Germanwings is sad, and concerning, and maybe some things in commercial passnger aviation will finally be changed.

I'm not sure that this air disaster technically counts, because it did happen in France, and not Germany. But at least one change has already happened, with Europe and other areas adopting the previously adopted rule in the US and Canada requiring two crew members to be in the cockpit at all times.
Hopefully, they can come up with a better system than self-reporting of psychological health issues, since once hired, most airlines never check their pilots on that score ever again.
And it's about time for GPS real-time tracking, and real-time video feed from the cockpit to the ground air traffic control.
And perhaps an "escape mechanism" to allow pilots and or crews to unlock the cabin door in an emergency (perhaps like the three key military system for nuclear codes) that are unique and independent. There's a reason for a locked cabin in terms of hijackings that go back to the 1960s, but there also needs to be a way to get into the locked cabin in an emergency, such as this flight, the recent Silk Airways disaster, and the United Flight 92 on 9/11.

It is very odd to have this many major airline disasters (five) in just over a year. I don't think we've had this many in such a short period since 9/11.

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