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Re: Amazing Race Questions
« Reply #800 on: March 24, 2013, 04:20:33 PM »
Camera shots are not the rarity they used to be, I see one or two almost every vid.
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Re: Amazing Race Questions
« Reply #801 on: March 24, 2013, 07:17:37 PM »
Camera shots are not the rarity they used to be, I see one or two almost every vid.

The actual cameraman??

Do NOT post spoilers in the discussion thread please, you can use the episode threads.
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Re: Amazing Race Questions
« Reply #802 on: March 28, 2013, 06:37:23 PM »
What I don't understand is why TAR 14's double-length leg isn't counted as 2 legs?

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Re: Amazing Race Questions
« Reply #803 on: March 28, 2013, 09:19:59 PM »
What I don't understand is why TAR 14's double-length leg isn't counted as 2 legs?
There's a variety of definitions people use for distinguishing legs like this.

One way to split is to separate when there's a "To Be Continued". This started on Season 6, but teams didn't visit Phil at this point- the episode just ended with teams still racing, waiting for a shop to open. In the next season a clue sent racers to Phil, where he said "The leg is not over, here is your next clue!" (a double-length leg). Season 10 had something else funky, in that teams were never told to go to a pitstop or see Phil, they just opened a clue that said "You're still racing!!!!!", and I always thought that was kind of strange. I believe Season 18 (Unfinished Business) was the first "To be continued" for Phil to say something like "Your next leg begins now, here's your next clue!" (a zero-hour pitstop in the middle of two legs).

Another point is if they got a prize. Before Season 18 teams didn't receive a prize for showing up first at these locations, making it more obvious that it is the midpoint of two separate legs. However, Jamie & Cara actually did in fact win a prize, but it wasn't shown, but then again Phil said that the leg wasn't over. 

For his handy list of team average placements, I'm pretty sure theschnauzers counts any visit to Phil as a separate leg, and he might also count Seasons 6 and 10 as two legs despite teams not ever meeting Phil at a midpoint. For my list of average placements, the way I separate legs is if Phil says that it's two legs rather than a continuation of a leg. I wouldn't be surprised if that's how the show did it, if it even cares about that.


Honestly, TAR14 is more like the recent TBCs and should probably be counted as two separate legs, but because it was the first to be like that the show just used the old jargon. I probably gave a lot of mostly unneeded info, and I probably didn't even answer your question.

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Re: Amazing Race Questions
« Reply #804 on: March 28, 2013, 09:31:29 PM »
When Phil says the Pit Stop prize, he says "A trip for two from Travelocity to ___________, you and a guest will....."

Does that mean each racer gets the Pit Stop prize or just one for the team?


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Re: Amazing Race Questions
« Reply #805 on: March 28, 2013, 09:39:52 PM »
For the team. They need to draw straws later, lol.
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Re: Amazing Race Questions
« Reply #806 on: March 29, 2013, 01:36:17 AM »
What I don't understand is why TAR 14's double-length leg isn't counted as 2 legs?
There's a variety of definitions people use for distinguishing legs like this.

One way to split is to separate when there's a "To Be Continued". This started on Season 6, but teams didn't visit Phil at this point- the episode just ended with teams still racing, waiting for a shop to open. In the next season a clue sent racers to Phil, where he said "The leg is not over, here is your next clue!" (a double-length leg). Season 10 had something else funky, in that teams were never told to go to a pitstop or see Phil, they just opened a clue that said "You're still racing!!!!!", and I always thought that was kind of strange. I believe Season 18 (Unfinished Business) was the first "To be continued" for Phil to say something like "Your next leg begins now, here's your next clue!" (a zero-hour pitstop in the middle of two legs).

Another point is if they got a prize. Before Season 18 teams didn't receive a prize for showing up first at these locations, making it more obvious that it is the midpoint of two separate legs. However, Jamie & Cara actually did in fact win a prize, but it wasn't shown, but then again Phil said that the leg wasn't over. 

For his handy list of team average placements, I'm pretty sure theschnauzers counts any visit to Phil as a separate leg, and he might also count Seasons 6 and 10 as two legs despite teams not ever meeting Phil at a midpoint. For my list of average placements, the way I separate legs is if Phil says that it's two legs rather than a continuation of a leg. I wouldn't be surprised if that's how the show did it, if it even cares about that.


Honestly, TAR14 is more like the recent TBCs and should probably be counted as two separate legs, but because it was the first to be like that the show just used the old jargon. I probably gave a lot of mostly unneeded info, and I probably didn't even answer your question.

I treat each half of a "double" leg as a separate leg for averaging purposes in order to have each season treated equally especially during seasons 1-12, when the normal length was 13 legs. Subsequent seasons with the variations that the show has been using, with 12 legs or equivalents in every season since season 14 has been similarly treated. Only season 13 had 11 legs, and that was due to the scheduling in that particular spring cycle (as there was one fewer Sunday available before the end of the May "ratings sweep" period and the overall September to May annual ratings cycle.

I haven't had any problem in my mind as to when an extended or continuous racing takes place and where the legs are separated.

(Not that it matters, but the folks at Wiki finally ended up agreeing with this approach for the early seasons. Since it was possible from the information broadcast to determine the order of arrival at the "midpoint" whatever it was with or without Phil being there, the treatment is consistent. The overnight camping we've seen in early seasons and in season 8 were not leg midpoints; teams departed at pre-set intervals that were not always determined by the time of arrival at that point.)

I don't know if that helps or not, but if you go to the original ranking all of the teams by placement average thread, you'll see that this was discussed when I first posted it here at RFF.
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Re: Amazing Race Questions
« Reply #807 on: March 29, 2013, 08:24:31 AM »
Just re-watched the TAR 14 episode. Phil did say "This leg is not over." How did I miss that?!

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Re: Amazing Race Questions
« Reply #808 on: March 29, 2013, 02:06:13 PM »
For the team. They need to draw straws later, lol.

Good for couples  :lol3:
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Re: Amazing Race Questions
« Reply #809 on: March 29, 2013, 08:19:04 PM »
(Not that it matters, but the folks at Wiki finally ended up agreeing with this approach for the early seasons. Since it was possible from the information broadcast to determine the order of arrival at the "midpoint" whatever it was with or without Phil being there, the treatment is consistent. The overnight camping we've seen in early seasons and in season 8 were not leg midpoints; teams departed at pre-set intervals that were not always determined by the time of arrival at that point.)

What!? Really!? I leave for a month and everything changes. Although honestly, the entire reason I went with the way I did is because the wiki was like that, and I knew that it would take a lot of time to change everything on the site. I guess I better edit my list.


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Re: Amazing Race Questions
« Reply #810 on: March 29, 2013, 11:20:24 PM »
The Wiki folks use two columns of placements for the double-length leg. The only nit-pick I have is their attempt to list a midpoint placement on the final leg of season 8. They show a mid-leg placement but do not explain where they consider the midpoint. Prior discussion here reached the conclusion that depending on what exact task was chosen (arrival at Montreal Olympic Stadium) to start a task to search and find a clue with a release time the following morning, the order of completing that task, or the time each time found) would come up with three different placement orders at those point. The show never made clear which was the actual midpoint, and I decided that, consistent with the earliest seasons camping out overnight during the final leg, that task could not be considered a midpoint of a double leg.
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Re: Amazing Race Questions
« Reply #811 on: April 06, 2013, 09:29:22 PM »
What are the nine Emmy's that TAR has won?

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Re: Amazing Race Questions
« Reply #812 on: April 06, 2013, 09:33:33 PM »
All for best reality TV show.
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Re: Amazing Race Questions
« Reply #813 on: April 06, 2013, 09:37:15 PM »
Actually, I kinda meant what seasons did they win the Emmy's on.. sorry for the confusion!

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Re: Amazing Race Questions
« Reply #814 on: April 06, 2013, 09:47:59 PM »
Oh. :lol:

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Re: Amazing Race Questions
« Reply #815 on: April 07, 2013, 10:40:14 AM »
TAR 9 Oman, TAR 12 India, TAR 14 Switzerland. TAR 10 Vietnam 2 (?)
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Re: Amazing Race Questions
« Reply #816 on: April 07, 2013, 06:40:21 PM »
Generally it is determined by the episode(s) submitted for consideration in the nomination process. While most of them have had two cycles, the second Emmy (IIRC) had 3 cycles (cycles 4, 5, 6) during the eligibility period.

I don't have that information handy, but that is what one would be looking for.
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Re: Amazing Race Questions
« Reply #817 on: April 07, 2013, 10:11:23 PM »
Wikipedia had a list of the episodes/years they were nominated for: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Amazing_Race_(U.S._TV_series)#Awards

So it looks like they won for Seasons 3, 4, 7, 9, 10, 12, 14, 18, and 20.

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Re: Amazing Race Questions
« Reply #818 on: April 08, 2013, 11:08:19 PM »
Have any team members on any TAR season (including international) had an incident when they accidentally broke or torn their backpacks?

I think this might be a REAL game changer if they are in a foot race for last place or a Berlin moment like Freddy & Kendra versus Jonathan & Victoria. :lol3:
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Re: Amazing Race Questions
« Reply #819 on: April 15, 2013, 06:38:17 AM »
Is there a penalty in the Amazing Race for deliberately blocking another team's taxi?

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« Reply #820 on: April 15, 2013, 03:39:01 PM »
I always wonder how production relays information to the Pit Stop about penalties that the teams get. The camera guys can't just radio and tell them, 'cus then the team would know.
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« Reply #821 on: April 15, 2013, 03:51:26 PM »
I always wonder how production relays information to the Pit Stop about penalties that the teams get. The camera guys can't just radio and tell them, 'cus then the team would know.

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« Reply #822 on: April 15, 2013, 04:14:56 PM »
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Re: Amazing Race Questions
« Reply #823 on: April 15, 2013, 09:27:43 PM »
Is there a penalty in the Amazing Race for deliberately blocking another team's taxi?
Charla & Mirna got into Colin & Christie's taxi and refused to get out in Egypt. The cousins didn't get a penalty.
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Re: Amazing Race Questions
« Reply #824 on: April 16, 2013, 01:40:28 PM »
Each team is followed by a camera and a productor i think. If the productor sees a penalty he can just call or message the Pit Stop production.
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