Author Topic: TAR18: Herb Lang & Nate Lofton (Big Easy & Flight Time of Harlem Globetrotters) (Read 33102 times)

RealityFreakWill · « **on:** January 19, 2011, 02:44:48 AM »

Herb and Nate

Name (Age): Herb Lang (34)
Hometown: Brinkley, Ark.
Connection to your Teammate: Harlem Globetrotters Teammate
Current Occupation: Professional Basketball player with the Harlem Globetrotters
Previous Season/Result: Season 15/4th place

Biggest mistake you made in your previous season: Trusting that Dan would keep his word.

Most memorable moment from your first Race: When Big Easy found the needle in the haystack for a first place finish on my birthday!

Favorite place you visited on your first season: Sweden and Vietnam because we came in first both times.

Why do you want to run the Race again? Redemption -- and to win it all!

How have you changed since the last time you competed? I haven't changed. I'm still the same.

What are you passionate about? I am passionate about winning -- and being with the Globetrotters for over 10 years, I've gotten used to it!

People would be surprised to learn: That we didn't take either of the two trips we won on our season.

One location that you hope to go on this adventure: Australia Â– I've been to 80 countries, but I've never been there.

Biggest challenge you and your teammate will face on the Race together: We always felt we are our biggest challenges. We determine how we do, not the other teams.

What do you hope to accomplish by running the Race again (other than winning one million dollars): We want to accomplish what we did last time. We want to run a good race and be an example to everyone that you don't have to be jerks to be competitive and do well.

Pet peeve about your teammate: He snores like you wouldn't believe!

What would you do if you won the million dollars? Invest some and donate some to charity.

Any strategic changes you will make heading into this Race: None! Just win!

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Name (Age): Nate Lofton (29)
Hometown: New Orleans, La.
Connection to your Teammate: Harlem Globetrotters Teammate
Current Occupation: Professional Basketball player with the Harlem Globetrotters
Previous Season/Result: Season 15/4th place

Biggest mistake you made in your previous season: Over-thinking the game and not taking my time to concentrate.

Most memorable moment from your first Race: Winning first place for Â“Flight TimeÂ” on his birthday.

Favorite place you visited on your first season: Vietnam was my favorite place to visit because the people were awesome.

Why do you want to run the Race again? I want to win!

How have you changed since the last time you competed? I'm way more relaxed now than I was the first time around.

What are you passionate about? I'm passionate about my kids and my family.

People would be surprised to learn: I am afraid of horror movies.

One location that you hope to go on this adventure: I want to go to Australia because every Harlem Globetrotter says it is their favorite country and I want to see what the fuss is about.

Biggest challenge you and your teammate will face on the Race together: Hopefully, we won't face any really big challenges. We ran a good race last time and hopefully will do the same this time around.

What do you hope to accomplish by running the Race again (other than winning one million dollars): I want everyone to see that athletes can be great role models.

Pet peeve about your teammate: He is too nice sometimes.

What would you do if you won the million dollars? I want to open a gym in the neighborhood where I grew up.

Any strategic changes you will make heading into this Race: I don't think so. I think we ran a great Race.

RealityFreakWill · « **Reply #1 on:** January 21, 2011, 10:38:44 AM »

new video in 1st post.

Prophet · « **Reply #2 on:** February 17, 2011, 05:14:16 PM »

Quote from: Peace, Love, TAR! :D on February 17, 2011, 04:51:28 PM

Quote from: Joab on February 14, 2011, 09:38:39 PM
Actually, i'm only not rooting for Globetrotters. I'm fine with any other teams winning.

And if Globetrotters win...

I guess I'm okay with them, I just didn't like what they did to Mika on the Leap of Faith.

They didn't do anything to change the outcome really. She had enough issues of her own.

I'm not defending them, I don't really like them either, but that wasn't that bad IMO. I don't think anybody has to worry about them winning, they aren't very good at the Race. I'm surprised they made it as far as they did.

Prophet · « **Reply #3 on:** February 17, 2011, 06:05:52 PM »

It's a sports tactic. Trash talking and intimidation is a huge part of their culture. I still don't think Mika would have ever done it though. You're going to definitely be limited on the Race if you have two huge phobias like she did.

Reilly Queens · « **Reply #4 on:** February 17, 2011, 06:08:12 PM »

I'll add that that it is for a million. If I had to choose between 1,000,000 and a making a girl cry, 1 million definetly!

Prophet · « **Reply #5 on:** February 17, 2011, 06:09:00 PM »

Quote from: Kandace_KML on February 17, 2011, 06:08:12 PM

I'll add that that it is for a million. If I had to choose between 1,000,000 and a making a girl cry, 1 million definetly!

I was going to say something like that but it wouldn't sound right coming from me.

Competitor · « **Reply #6 on:** February 18, 2011, 02:45:14 PM »

Quote from: The Prophet on February 17, 2011, 06:09:00 PM

Quote from: Kandace_KML on February 17, 2011, 06:08:12 PM
I'll add that that it is for a million. If I had to choose between 1,000,000 and a making a girl cry, 1 million definetly!

I was going to say something like that but it wouldn't sound right coming from me.

I'm a male who has been around sports for a long time. I laughed at their words. To me, the more offensive and damaging thing to Mika would have been Canaan attempting to push her and verbally berating her.

Prophet · « **Reply #7 on:** February 18, 2011, 03:24:17 PM »

Quote from: Competitor on February 18, 2011, 02:45:14 PM

I'm a male who has been around sports for a long time. I laughed at their words. To me, the more offensive and damaging thing to Mika would have been Canaan attempting to push her and verbally berating her.

Yes...why don't more people talk about this part of the story?

I have to admit after listening to Mika carry on for so long I was initially thought it was funny too.

Coutzy · « **Reply #8 on:** February 18, 2011, 07:31:57 PM »

I don't know what everyone thinks was so bad about the globetrotters trash talking. They knew coming into that task that they were last, and needed a small miracle to stay in it. It's not like they physically pushed her off the slide so they could jump in first or anything like that.

What I don't understand even more is why people love Rob & Amber, who made a race career out of trash talking and psyching out other teams, yet hate the globetrotters for exactly the same thing.

Prophet · « **Reply #9 on:** February 18, 2011, 07:42:01 PM »

Quote from: Coutzy on February 18, 2011, 07:31:57 PM

I don't know what everyone thinks was so bad about the globetrotters trash talking. They knew coming into that task that they were last, and needed a small miracle to stay in it. It's not like they physically pushed her off the slide so they could jump in first or anything like that.

What I don't understand even more is why people love Rob & Amber, who made a race career out of trash talking and psyching out other teams, yet hate the globetrotters for exactly the same thing.

Well said, I agree with all of it.

kiki · « **Reply #10 on:** February 19, 2011, 12:51:08 AM »

I don't hate the Globetrotters, on the contrary I like them. What they did with Mica I don't think it's that bad. They were almost laughing when they were saying those things. Besides Mica was hysterical long before they arrived. I don't think that it was the Globbetrotters who influenced her so much that she didn't do the task, in her mind she had already decided not to do it.

connayyy · « **Reply #11 on:** February 19, 2011, 12:59:31 PM »

I don't think the Globetrotters were even trash talking Mika. All they said was, "Mika, don't do it. It's high, if you're scared then don't do it." Saying "don't do it" really isn't that bad, they almost seemed to be saying it in a joking way.

Besides, it was pretty clear that she had never intended to go down the slide in the first place. The Globetrotters didn't change anything.

georgiapeach · « **Reply #12 on:** February 19, 2011, 04:42:56 PM »

Keoghan explains the show's picks below.

Flight Time and Big Easy — Season 15, 4th place
Last we saw them: The Harlem Globetrotters opted to incur a four-hour penalty after Big Easy gave up on unscrambling... "Franz."
Why they deserve a second chance: Who doesn't want to redeem themselves after that? "Everyone knows they're strong Racers. [Taking the penalty] was a bad choice, but I also don't know if Big Easy was ever going to unscramble it," Keoghan says. "It's hard for people to understand what's happening to teams — their brains are fried at that point. I think even the choice to take the penalty wasn't done with a lot of thought." And it forced Keoghan to sleep on the street on a mat. "They kept me waiting at the Pit Stop all night. I saw the sun set; I saw the sun rise. As soon as I saw them [this season], I said, 'Don't keep me waiting on the mat again!'"

http://omg.yahoo.com/news/amazing-race-phil-keoghan-explains-why-these-11-teams-have-unfinished-business/56742

Jobby · « **Reply #13 on:** February 19, 2011, 07:10:09 PM »

Quote from: Coutzy on February 18, 2011, 07:31:57 PM

I don't know what everyone thinks was so bad about the globetrotters trash talking. They knew coming into that task that they were last, and needed a small miracle to stay in it. It's not like they physically pushed her off the slide so they could jump in first or anything like that.

What I don't understand even more is why people love Rob & Amber, who made a race career out of trash talking and psyching out other teams, yet hate the globetrotters for exactly the same thing.

It is bad because it's STILL trash talking! They needed a small miracle to stay in, that's right. But they could have just kept their mouth shut and let Mika give up on the task herself and not discourage her. I absolutely loathe that scene and i scringed whenever i see that scene again on TV. There should be NO EXCUSES made for unacceptable behavior while on the race. It's just like school bullies.. some people will say because they come from dysfunctional families and that is why they behave that way.. BUT STILL, NO EXCUSES for you causing pain and hurt to others??

Definitely NOT a fan and have classified this team amongst other teams with bad reputation such as Marshall and Lance.

Dånooky · « **Reply #14 on:** February 19, 2011, 07:20:53 PM »

Quote from: Joab on February 19, 2011, 07:10:09 PM

Quote from: Coutzy on February 18, 2011, 07:31:57 PM
I don't know what everyone thinks was so bad about the globetrotters trash talking. They knew coming into that task that they were last, and needed a small miracle to stay in it. It's not like they physically pushed her off the slide so they could jump in first or anything like that.

What I don't understand even more is why people love Rob & Amber, who made a race career out of trash talking and psyching out other teams, yet hate the globetrotters for exactly the same thing.

It is bad because it's STILL trash talking! They needed a small miracle to stay in, that's right. But they could have just kept their mouth shut and let Mika give up on the task herself and not discourage her. I absolutely loathe that scene and i scringed whenever i see that scene again on TV. There should be NO EXCUSES made for unacceptable behavior while on the race. It's just like school bullies.. some people will say because they come from dysfunctional families and that is why they behave that way.. BUT STILL, NO EXCUSES for you causing pain and hurt to others??

Definitely NOT a fan and have classified this team amongst other teams with bad reputation such as Marshall and Lance.

OTOH, Canaan was being much more of a bully than FT&BE

Prophet · « **Reply #15 on:** February 19, 2011, 07:27:02 PM »

Quote from: Dånooky on February 19, 2011, 07:20:53 PM

OTOH, Canaan was being much more of a bully than FT&BE

Also, Mika was making a spectacle of herself.

Jobby · « **Reply #16 on:** February 19, 2011, 07:27:18 PM »

Quote from: Dånooky on February 19, 2011, 07:20:53 PM

Quote from: Joab on February 19, 2011, 07:10:09 PM
Quote from: Coutzy on February 18, 2011, 07:31:57 PM
I don't know what everyone thinks was so bad about the globetrotters trash talking. They knew coming into that task that they were last, and needed a small miracle to stay in it. It's not like they physically pushed her off the slide so they could jump in first or anything like that.

What I don't understand even more is why people love Rob & Amber, who made a race career out of trash talking and psyching out other teams, yet hate the globetrotters for exactly the same thing.

It is bad because it's STILL trash talking! They needed a small miracle to stay in, that's right. But they could have just kept their mouth shut and let Mika give up on the task herself and not discourage her. I absolutely loathe that scene and i scringed whenever i see that scene again on TV. There should be NO EXCUSES made for unacceptable behavior while on the race. It's just like school bullies.. some people will say because they come from dysfunctional families and that is why they behave that way.. BUT STILL, NO EXCUSES for you causing pain and hurt to others??

Definitely NOT a fan and have classified this team amongst other teams with bad reputation such as Marshall and Lance.

OTOH, Canaan was being much more of a bully than FT&BE

Have you finished the entire episode? To take the whole thing with grace and later encouraging Mika on the pitstop mat and said it's not her fault = class act?

During times where you're stressed by your OWN team mate who refuses to complete a SIMPLE challenge, all he did was to be just a little more rough. We've seen teams with a much worser attitude than Canaan please. Remember Brooke told Claire she just gotta suck it up after being hit by an entire watermelon?? People just don't remember this and see it as a "never say die attitude" just because they're an all-female team.

Imagine if Canaan were to tell Mika to suck it up after she got hit by a similar watermelon task.. how many people will go.. OMG HE'S SUCH A JERK???

How is Canaan behaving worst than FT and BE?? I don't really get the way you see it, but then again to each his own. So i respect your POV.

Prophet · « **Reply #17 on:** February 19, 2011, 07:28:40 PM »

Quote from: Joab on February 19, 2011, 07:27:18 PM

Have you finished the entire episode? To take the whole thing with grace and later encouraging Mika on the pitstop mat and said it's not her fault = class act?

During times where you're stressed by your OWN team mate who refuses to complete a SIMPLE challenge, all he did was to be just a little more rough. We've seen teams with a much worser attitude than Canaan please. Remember Brooke told Claire she just gotta suck it up after being hit by an entire watermelon?? People just don't remember this and see it as a "never say die attitude" just because they're an all-female team.

Imagine if Canaan were to tell Mika to suck it up after she got hit by a similar watermelon task.. how many people will go.. OMG HE'S SUCH A JERK???

So maybe the Globetrotters were just stressed about being behind?

DrRox · « **Reply #18 on:** February 19, 2011, 07:29:19 PM »

Quote from: Joab on February 19, 2011, 07:10:09 PM

It is bad because it's STILL trash talking! They needed a small miracle to stay in, that's right. But they could have just kept their mouth shut and let Mika give up on the task herself and not discourage her. I absolutely loathe that scene and i scringed whenever i see that scene again on TV. There should be NO EXCUSES made for unacceptable behavior while on the race. It's just like school bullies.. some people will say because they come from dysfunctional families and that is why they behave that way.. BUT STILL, NO EXCUSES for you causing pain and hurt to others??

Definitely NOT a fan and have classified this team amongst other teams with bad reputation such as Marshall and Lance.

So Joab, where does Ron fit in your list of bad reputations? He was much much worse to his own daughter than FT/BE ever were to Mika.

Prophet · « **Reply #19 on:** February 19, 2011, 07:30:01 PM »

Quote from: DrRox on February 19, 2011, 07:29:19 PM

So Joab, where does Ron fit in your list of bad reputations? He was much much worse to his own daughter than FT/BE ever were to Mika.

An excellent point!

Jobby · « **Reply #20 on:** February 19, 2011, 07:31:52 PM »

Quote from: DrRox on February 19, 2011, 07:29:19 PM

Quote from: Joab on February 19, 2011, 07:10:09 PM
It is bad because it's STILL trash talking! They needed a small miracle to stay in, that's right. But they could have just kept their mouth shut and let Mika give up on the task herself and not discourage her. I absolutely loathe that scene and i scringed whenever i see that scene again on TV. There should be NO EXCUSES made for unacceptable behavior while on the race. It's just like school bullies.. some people will say because they come from dysfunctional families and that is why they behave that way.. BUT STILL, NO EXCUSES for you causing pain and hurt to others??

Definitely NOT a fan and have classified this team amongst other teams with bad reputation such as Marshall and Lance.

So Joab, where does Ron fit in your list of bad reputations? He was much much worse to his own daughter than FT/BE ever were to Mika.

I was an extreme Ron hater till he changed for the better. I have a soft spot for people who change in their attitude, because i know how hard is it to swallow down your pride and admit that you've been so wrong and nasty.

And Christina's such a nice woman to not love.

Dånooky · « **Reply #21 on:** February 19, 2011, 07:32:03 PM »

Quote from: Joab on February 19, 2011, 07:27:18 PM

How is Canaan behaving worst than FT and BE?? I don't really get the way you see it, but then again to each his own. So i respect your POV.

Canaan was physically trying to push Mika down the slide against her own will.

Jobby · « **Reply #22 on:** February 19, 2011, 07:32:23 PM »

Quote from: The Prophet on February 19, 2011, 07:30:01 PM

Quote from: DrRox on February 19, 2011, 07:29:19 PM
So Joab, where does Ron fit in your list of bad reputations? He was much much worse to his own daughter than FT/BE ever were to Mika.

An excellent point!

The Prophet, will you stop spamming please? Seriously.

Prophet · « **Reply #23 on:** February 19, 2011, 07:32:56 PM »

Quote from: Joab on February 19, 2011, 07:32:23 PM

Quote from: The Prophet on February 19, 2011, 07:30:01 PM
Quote from: DrRox on February 19, 2011, 07:29:19 PM
So Joab, where does Ron fit in your list of bad reputations? He was much much worse to his own daughter than FT/BE ever were to Mika.

An excellent point!

The Prophet, will you stop spamming please? Seriously.

~~You're the one who's been spamming this topic all week.~~

Jobby · « **Reply #24 on:** February 19, 2011, 07:33:13 PM »

Quote from: Dånooky on February 19, 2011, 07:32:03 PM

Quote from: Joab on February 19, 2011, 07:27:18 PM
How is Canaan behaving worst than FT and BE?? I don't really get the way you see it, but then again to each his own. So i respect your POV.
Canaan was physically trying to push Mika down the slide against her own will.

That was just once and a brief slight moment. He would have tried ANY method in times of desperation like this. He didn't TRY IT the whole time you see.

Dånooky · « **Reply #25 on:** February 19, 2011, 07:33:55 PM »

Quote from: Joab on February 19, 2011, 07:33:13 PM

Quote from: Dånooky on February 19, 2011, 07:32:03 PM
Quote from: Joab on February 19, 2011, 07:27:18 PM
How is Canaan behaving worst than FT and BE?? I don't really get the way you see it, but then again to each his own. So i respect your POV.
Canaan was physically trying to push Mika down the slide against her own will.

That was just once and a brief slight moment. He would have tried ANY method in times of desperation like this. He didn't TRY IT the whole time you see.

And why did Mika scream "HELP ME!"? It was definitely not because of what FT&BE were doing to her.

Jobby · « **Reply #26 on:** February 19, 2011, 07:34:22 PM »

Quote from: The Prophet on February 19, 2011, 07:32:56 PM

Quote from: Joab on February 19, 2011, 07:32:23 PM
Quote from: The Prophet on February 19, 2011, 07:30:01 PM
Quote from: DrRox on February 19, 2011, 07:29:19 PM
So Joab, where does Ron fit in your list of bad reputations? He was much much worse to his own daughter than FT/BE ever were to Mika.

An excellent point!

The Prophet, will you stop spamming please? Seriously.

You're the one who's been spamming this topic all week.

I'm not going to argue with you and this will be my last comment towards you. Please don't be ridiculous, the first time i posted on this topic was few minutes ago TODAY.

Prophet · « **Reply #27 on:** February 19, 2011, 07:34:58 PM »

I don't want to argue about that either, no one is spamming we are just having a discussion.
Danooky did make a good point about Canaan's physical manipulation.

Quote from: Joab on February 19, 2011, 07:33:13 PM

Quote from: Dånooky on February 19, 2011, 07:32:03 PM
Canaan was physically trying to push Mika down the slide against her own will.

That was just once and a brief slight moment. He would have tried ANY method in times of desperation like this. He didn't TRY IT the whole time you see.

The globetrotters would have tried ANY method too, to keep from being eliminated. Not to mention that they didn't really do anything.

DrRox · « **Reply #28 on:** February 19, 2011, 07:36:41 PM »

Quote from: Joab on February 19, 2011, 07:31:52 PM

I was an extreme Ron hater till he changed for the better. I have a soft spot for people who change in their attitude, because i know how hard is it to swallow down your pride and admit that you've been so wrong and nasty.

And Christina's such a nice woman to not love.

You still didnt answer my question.

Dånooky · « **Reply #29 on:** February 19, 2011, 07:37:39 PM »

My point is, both teams wanted to get ahead. FT & BE chose to try and verbally discourage Mika from going down the slide (which is what she wanted) whereas Canaan was forcing her, in a way that managed to scare her even more. I don't see why you would consider FT&BE's strategy to be much worse.

Jobby · « **Reply #30 on:** February 19, 2011, 07:37:53 PM »

Quote from: Dånooky on February 19, 2011, 07:33:55 PM

Quote from: Joab on February 19, 2011, 07:33:13 PM
Quote from: Dånooky on February 19, 2011, 07:32:03 PM
Quote from: Joab on February 19, 2011, 07:27:18 PM
How is Canaan behaving worst than FT and BE?? I don't really get the way you see it, but then again to each his own. So i respect your POV.
Canaan was physically trying to push Mika down the slide against her own will.

That was just once and a brief slight moment. He would have tried ANY method in times of desperation like this. He didn't TRY IT the whole time you see.
And why did Mika scream "HELP ME!"? It was definitely not because of what FT&BE were doing to her.

Definitely you see it as a team dysfunctional issue. I'm NOT a fan of Mika and Canaan but you see, each team have their own issues and i see and understand Canaan's frustration and if i put myself in Canaan's shoes i actually felt sorry for him to have a teammate like her.

My POV here is that FT and BE shouldn't have taunted another team because that is just not the right thing to do.

Jobby · « **Reply #31 on:** February 19, 2011, 07:39:26 PM »

Quote from: DrRox on February 19, 2011, 07:36:41 PM

Quote from: Joab on February 19, 2011, 07:31:52 PM

I was an extreme Ron hater till he changed for the better. I have a soft spot for people who change in their attitude, because i know how hard is it to swallow down your pride and admit that you've been so wrong and nasty.

And Christina's such a nice woman to not love.

You still didnt answer my question.

I know where you're getting at.

Jobby · « **Reply #32 on:** February 19, 2011, 07:40:53 PM »

Quote from: Dånooky on February 19, 2011, 07:37:39 PM

My point is, both teams wanted to get ahead. FT & BE chose to try and verbally discourage Mika from going down the slide (which is what she wanted) whereas Canaan was forcing her, in a way that managed to scare her even more. I don't see why you would consider FT&BE's strategy to be much worse.

Both are actions which i will not agree to, but as i've said before.. i think FT and BE's one was much worst because they should just mind their own business and not taunted Mika.

DrRox · « **Reply #33 on:** February 19, 2011, 07:41:33 PM »

Quote from: Joab on February 19, 2011, 07:37:53 PM

My POV here is that FT and BE shouldn't have taunted another team because that is just not the right thing to do.

Ron taunted his daughter through most of the race. Where are other instances of FT/BE taunting anyone. So far you only cite one instance?

Prophet · « **Reply #34 on:** February 19, 2011, 07:42:11 PM »

About the taunting other teams (and really the whole issue) Coutzy's post has a great perspective.

Quote from: Coutzy on February 18, 2011, 07:31:57 PM

I don't know what everyone thinks was so bad about the globetrotters trash talking. They knew coming into that task that they were last, and needed a small miracle to stay in it. It's not like they physically pushed her off the slide so they could jump in first or anything like that.

What I don't understand even more is why people love Rob & Amber, who made a race career out of trash talking and psyching out other teams, yet hate the globetrotters for exactly the same thing.

Besides like Rox said the globetrotters don't have a career of taunting like other teams.

Jobby · « **Reply #35 on:** February 19, 2011, 07:46:50 PM »

Quote from: DrRox on February 19, 2011, 07:41:33 PM

Quote from: Joab on February 19, 2011, 07:37:53 PM

My POV here is that FT and BE shouldn't have taunted another team because that is just not the right thing to do.

Ron taunted his daughter through most of the race. Where are other instances of FT/BE taunting anyone. So far you only cite one instance?

I think it's more of a matter and issue about what you do as a team and what you do to the other teams on the race. I'll bring out a few instances.

Victor didn't listen to Tammy on Leg 3 of TAR 14 and caused a major drama. But as a whole, they were really nice to the other teams and that was why i still liked them. Similarly with Brian and Ericka.. they might have a few rough patches here and there.. but they kept to their own business and was generally nice to the other teams.

What i don't like to see on the race is when you start being mean to another team. What you do within the team itself is something that maybe you're doing it because of the r/s that you hold with each other that ultimately makes it inevitable. In this case, Ron may have been with this attitude towards Christina for years. And for him to change within a short period of 21 days.. that covers up any bad attitude towards her that he had for me.. it's always nice to give people second chances.

Same for BE/FT.. maybe my attitude will change towards them if they're nicer this time round. Second chances you see.

Prophet · « **Reply #36 on:** February 19, 2011, 07:48:34 PM »

DrRox · « **Reply #37 on:** February 19, 2011, 07:49:09 PM »

Quote from: Joab on February 19, 2011, 07:39:26 PM

I know where you're getting at.

I really dont think you have any idea what I am getting at. Your ablility to sweep Ron's behavior under rug because of some kind of redemption arc amazes me. Maybe his so called redemption was just from race starvation? You dont really know, nor do you really know what FT/BE were doing. You just saw what editors wanted you to see and have an intense hate for people you really dont know very much about.

Have you ever been to a Harlem Globetrotters show/perfromance? I doubt you ever have. If you had, you would know that your analysis is way off base.

Dånooky · « **Reply #38 on:** February 19, 2011, 07:50:02 PM »

Let's take another example: Jet & Cord's attitude with Dan & Jordan at the VR task, with the cowboys screaming over the audio to confuse Jordan.

What's your take on that?

Prophet · « **Reply #39 on:** February 19, 2011, 07:50:27 PM »

moved

Jobby · « **Reply #40 on:** February 19, 2011, 07:54:36 PM »

Quote from: DrRox on February 19, 2011, 07:49:09 PM

Quote from: Joab on February 19, 2011, 07:39:26 PM

I know where you're getting at.

I really dont think you have any idea what I am getting at. Your ablility to sweep Ron's behavior under rug because of some kind of redemption arc amazes me. Maybe his so called redemption was just from race starvation? You dont really know, nor do you really know what FT/BE were doing. You just saw what editors wanted you to see and have an intense hate for people you really dont know very much about.

Have you ever been to a Harlem Globetrotters show/perfromance? I doubt you ever have. If you had, you would know that your analysis is way off base.

Actually it's just very simple.. we're just fans of different teams.

I know what FT/BE are doing. To sum it up, they're just trying to get ahead and not be eliminated. Maybe i was just driven by the producers to hate them or what. I'm still not a fan, but to each his own. I'll leave the discussion here.

Prophet · « **Reply #41 on:** February 19, 2011, 07:56:41 PM »

True, we all like different teams and have different POV's. I'll agree to disagree about this instance and go on from there.

DrRox · « **Reply #42 on:** February 19, 2011, 08:17:54 PM »

Quote from: Joab on February 19, 2011, 07:54:36 PM

Actually it's just very simple.. we're just fans of different teams.

I know what FT/BE are doing. To sum it up, they're just trying to get ahead and not be eliminated. Maybe i was just driven by the producers to hate them or what. I'm still not a fan, but to each his own. I'll leave the discussion here.

Again you make assumptions not based in fact. I am not a fan of ANY team. I am a Darwinist. The best team always wins, no matter which team it is.

You say you know what FT/BE were doing. Let's say that Mika did in fact go down that slide at FT/BE "trash talking". What would have happened then" Would she/could she have out ran them down that beach to the finish mat. I really doubt it. If as you say, they should have stayed out of Mika/Caanan's biz.....they would have just followed them down the slide and out ran them to the mat. You should not equate FT/BE with any of the professional players in the NBA.......they are totally not the same thing. Go see their show when it comes to Singapore.....you will see and understand.

But I will propose this. The Harlem Globetrotters are about motivating people to do things they dont think they can. Maybe, just maybe FT/BE were using "reverse psychology" to get Mika to do something she didn't think she could do. It obviously failed. But sterotyping Ft/BE is far worse.

All these teams are "edited" to appear the way the producers want you to see them. As such, Ron is no different than Jonathan Baker TAR6. He too had a redemption before he was eliminated if you remember.

Love any team you want and hate any team you want.......it is just a TV show.......but do it in some sense of reality and not fantasy.

Prophet · « **Reply #43 on:** February 19, 2011, 08:48:07 PM »

Jonathan Baker is an great example of a editor created redemption for the story's sake. The rest of his life after the Race indicates no such change. I seriously doubt that other "redeemed" characters such as Nick DeCarlo, etc. really changed that much in their real lives. The producers merely try to create this idea for the sake of the viewers. Not to insult any team members, just my opinion of what really goes on.

georgiapeach · « **Reply #44 on:** February 19, 2011, 08:54:44 PM »

Discussion of other teams and seasons can go into those threads please. This is Herb and Nate's TAR 18 thread...discussion of their previous season as an example of strategy is more than fair, but lets get sorta back on target please?

georgiapeach · « **Reply #45 on:** February 20, 2011, 01:16:53 AM »

Harlem Globetrotters Aim to Win 'The Amazing Race'
Monica Garske

The upcoming season of "The Amazing Race: Unfinished Business" features memorable teams from seasons past, and one duo in particular is back to finally settle an old score.

That team is Nate "Big Easy" Lofton and Herb "Flight Time" Lang, a couple of wise-cracking big shots who play professional basketball for the Harlem Globetrotters.

Harlem Globetrotters Herb "Flight Time" Lang, l, and Nate "Big Easy" Lofton will race around the world for a second chance to win $1 million on "The Amazing Race: Unfinished Business," premiering Feb. 20 on CBS.The pair were fan favorites on the 15th season of "The Amazing Race" in 2009 but ultimately lost the race around the world when Big Easy had difficulty solving a word scramble puzzle.

Despite their rough, fourth-place exit from the reality TV show, the basketball players are totally game for a do-over. They'll be back for more televised globetrotting when "The Amazing Race: Unfinished Business" premieres Feb. 20 on CBS.

And, as they both told AOL News, this time they came to win -- no matter what it takes.

"We're back to finish business -- literally," Flight Time said. "We ran a great race last time; we just got caught up in the stress at the end."

"This time, we came in with fresh minds, ready to have fun, relax and go for the win," Big Easy added. "Oh, and any and all puzzle challenges will be handled by Flight Time."

The duo both agreed that winning the TV race is a pretty big deal since, frankly, they're not used to losing -- ever.

After all, they are Harlem Globetrotters.

In the past 84 years, the cheeky, comedic pro basketball team has won more than 23,800 games, almost always beating their courtside rivals, the Washington Generals.

Flight Time and Big Easy have experienced many of those wins themselves, since they've been on the team for the past 12 and six years, respectively.

Still, despite their drive to win, the duo admitted they had no real strategies going into "The Amazing Race" the second time around.

"We did the same thing as last time: run a good, solid, competitive race. We maintained the same attitude we've always had, which is that we don't have to act a fool to get ahead or embarrass ourselves. We're representing the Harlem Globetrotters, so we're not trying to stab anyone in the back to win. We want to win by running a fair race," Flight Time said.

"Fussing and fighting is a waste of energy. We went into this wanting to have fun and keep it light. The only way we know how to ease stress is to crack jokes. It's what we do best," Big Easy said.

The guys did, however, use their previous experience on "The Amazing Race" to some degree when preparing for their second shot at the win.

Flight Time said they packed much lighter this time around because they had a better idea of what they would actually need on the trek. He said they included a calculator in their backpacks just in case they encountered some sort of mathematical "Roadblock" challenge along the way.

Because they've traveled together so much for work with the Globetrotters, Big Easy said they've become the best of travel buddies, so spending all that time together jet-setting on "The Amazing Race" -- twice -- was no big deal.

"We enjoy each other's company a lot," he added. "We don't really get sick of each other."

"Big Easy is the loudest snorer in the history of mankind, but that's about the only downfall to traveling with him," Flight Time said with a laugh. "He snores so loud that when we were at Globetrotters training camp a while back, the player that was rooming with him had to switch rooms. It's that bad."

The upside to globetrotting together, though, is that the pair have grown closer as both friends and teammates, which helps them on the basketball court. Flight Time said they've even developed a silent secret language that's exclusive only to them.

"We communicate in this special way now where we only speak with our eyes. The guys on the Harlem Globetrotters are always teasing us about it on the court. They're like, 'There's that "Amazing Race" talk right there.' It's pretty funny," he said.

If the duo make it to the finish line and win the million-dollar grand prize, they have big plans for the money.

Flight Time plans to donate a chunk of change to charity, while Big Easy dreams of opening a gym in the neighborhood where he grew up.

Still, win or no win, they agreed that "The Amazing Race" has changed their lives forever.

"It's been a real blessing for us. We have more fans than ever, and our autograph time after games is much longer now," Flight Time said.

"We've had fans come to basketball games specifically to see us. For a lot of them, it's their first time going to a basketball game, so that's pretty cool," Big Easy added.

http://www.aolnews.com/2011/02/10/harlem-globetrotters-aim-to-win-the-amazing-race-unfinished-bu/