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Re: TAR 18 Speculation and Discussion *contains Spoilers*
« Reply #2000 on: February 15, 2011, 11:28:36 PM »
There are some good investigators on here as I have seen. I'm sure you all can find out who I have connections with. One hint: read my username :D

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Re: TAR 18 Speculation and Discussion *contains Spoilers*
« Reply #2001 on: February 15, 2011, 11:29:33 PM »


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Re: TAR 18 Speculation and Discussion *contains Spoilers*
« Reply #2002 on: February 15, 2011, 11:36:01 PM »
CBS plant, I hope you're not. :lol:

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Re: TAR 18 Speculation and Discussion *contains Spoilers*
« Reply #2003 on: February 15, 2011, 11:37:03 PM »
CBS plant, I hope you're not. :lol:

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Re: TAR 18 Speculation and Discussion *contains Spoilers*
« Reply #2004 on: February 16, 2011, 12:05:18 AM »
Okay...no more speculation please. Move along!!
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Re: TAR 18 Speculation and Discussion *contains Spoilers*
« Reply #2005 on: February 16, 2011, 12:29:23 PM »
Well now with offical CBS confirmation of both the Express Pass and Automatic U Turn.....it probably means that both teams were on the later flight, that arrived earlier. At least the Automatic U Turn team was. If Phil does in fact hand out the Express Pass at the faux Pit Stop on the beach....bet it sure upsets the 8 teams on the first flight that had to stopover in Honolulu, that were planning on winning it.

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Re: TAR 18 Speculation and Discussion *contains Spoilers*
« Reply #2006 on: February 16, 2011, 12:40:35 PM »
Well now with offical CBS confirmation of both the Express Pass and Automatic U Turn.....it probably means that both teams were on the later flight, that arrived earlier. At least the Automatic U Turn team was. If Phil does in fact hand out the Express Pass at the faux Pit Stop on the beach....bet it sure upsets the 8 teams on the first flight that had to stopover in Honolulu, that were planning on winning it.



If that article is correct then we have to assume that Gary-Mallory won the Express Pass, although if I remember from another post, someone asked them if they had won it and they denied it, not that they necessarily told the truth.
The question that arises from that article for me is: Which team received the Automatic U-Turn? The one who finished the starting line last, meaning one of the three in the non-delayed flight, or the last team to the faux Pit Stop, meaning the Cowboys?
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Re: TAR 18 Speculation and Discussion *contains Spoilers*
« Reply #2007 on: February 16, 2011, 12:41:45 PM »
Good question kikisak, the article says the last team to arrive at the mat. To me this indicates the "fake PS" since he calls it a mat not a PitStop.

I think the U-turn will be enforced in Broken Hill b/c Coutzy said there is no Detour in Leg 1. However if Krimanda is eliminated in BH then the Cowboys who arrived last at the midway must be the first team to overcome the Uturn, a point that TPTB will probably enjoy and promote.
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Re: TAR 18 Speculation and Discussion *contains Spoilers*
« Reply #2008 on: February 16, 2011, 12:45:32 PM »
Yes good questions.......but then again.......they could hand the Express Pass out at BrokenHill......the first real pit stop. Lots of unspoiled stuff to look for on Sunday night.
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Re: TAR 18 Speculation and Discussion *contains Spoilers*
« Reply #2009 on: February 16, 2011, 12:53:23 PM »
Remember...Express Passes are given to the winners of a leg. :angel
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Re: TAR 18 Speculation and Discussion *contains Spoilers*
« Reply #2010 on: February 16, 2011, 01:11:56 PM »
Quote from: AP, via Peach
In the premiere, Keoghan informs the players that the last team to arrive on the mat will automatically face a U-turn, forcing the duo to perform both Detour challenges, while first-place finishers will receive the Express Pass, allowing a team to skip one task during the race.
That doesn't sound good; the reason the Speed Bumps were so short and easy is that any delay longer than 10-15 minutes will effectively bump a team off the race.

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Re: TAR 18 Speculation and Discussion *contains Spoilers*
« Reply #2011 on: February 16, 2011, 01:20:11 PM »
Yeah, this is tough. Not as bad as a start line elimination...but still.   It is more about the Automatic U-Turn we picked up in the promos, slowhatch.


Hmmm...

One thing I have learned from doing the caps is that we see certain shots for a reason...clues if you like.

This season appears to be no different.  ;)
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Re: TAR 18 Speculation and Discussion *contains Spoilers*
« Reply #2012 on: February 16, 2011, 08:09:35 PM »
I was just looking at Lijiang, China on Google Earth after reading Apskip's info on the map thread. I didn't realize that Lijiang was at such a high elevation, about 7900 feet (2400 m for you non US people). The timeline refers to a possible  detour/roadblock involving local Naxi customs. There are Naxi villages nearby to Lijiang that are at an even higher elevation. If they do much running around on foot or vigorous activity, there's going to be some very tired racers. Especially the more out of shape racers.  :iok Following that up, Kunming is at around 6000 feet (1800 m). The tiredness will probably accumulate even more on that leg. That's just something to think about later on when we get to those legs of the race.
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Re: TAR 18 Speculation and Discussion *contains Spoilers*
« Reply #2013 on: February 16, 2011, 08:48:26 PM »
I am sure teams like the cowboys and the globetrotters won't be effected as much as some teams might considering that they are athletes....

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Re: TAR 18 Speculation and Discussion *contains Spoilers*
« Reply #2014 on: February 16, 2011, 09:11:42 PM »
I am sure teams like the cowboys and the globetrotters won't be effected as much as some teams might considering that they are athletes....

Good point. I agree it will be less of a problem for the Cowboys and especially the Globetrotters. I was thinking more of people like Mel who is about 70 if I'm not mistaken and Vyxsyn who was apparently wiped out at the end of the first leg in Sydney.

I've also done some more digging about the news releases today that mention interacting with animals in China. I found a tour company that includes as a part of a visit  to Lijiang a trip to a site called Yak Meadow on Jade Dragon Snow Mountain near Lijiang. The purpose is to see yaks. That sounds like a natural for TAR. I haven't been able to pin down the exact location of Yak Meadow (it probably had a Chinese name and Yak Meadow is the name given for English speaking tourists), but the meadow is likely at an even higher elevation. According to Google Earth, Jade Dragon Snow Mountain is over 16,000 feet (5000 m) high, but I'm sure the Meadow will be WAY down the mountain from the summit.

I'm still looking for animal attractions at Kunming, but so far all I've found is a mention of a butterfly zoo and a regular zoo (perhaps the same place). You could interact with almost any animal in a zoo, so that will be harder to figure out.

Update:

After finding a few pictures and a review of the Kunming Zoo, I'm doubtful it would be used. The review and one picture show an old fashioned zoo with small cages that have concrete floors, not a more modern style with enclosures that have access to the outdoors with grass and dirt. Most of the pictures show peacock like birds, but I did see one white tiger and their website mentions pandas.

I think the Yaks in the Lijiang area are the best bet.
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Re: TAR 18 Speculation and Discussion *contains Spoilers*
« Reply #2015 on: February 16, 2011, 09:16:10 PM »
I suspect the least altitude affected racer will be Margie Adams........she lives in Denver and is a runner. I dont know where Luke lives now, but if he is back in Denver, he should adapt well. Short burst athletes dont do well with sudden change in altitude.......that means the Cowboys. Globes should be okay.......their year round basketball game will help them adapt faster. Any other runners will adapt quicker too.
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Re: TAR 18 Speculation and Discussion *contains Spoilers*
« Reply #2016 on: February 16, 2011, 09:47:01 PM »
I found a little more information about Yak Meadow. Here are some pictures and information at http://yeschinatour.com/china-guides/china-attractions/yak-meadow-lijiang/ and more information at http://wikitravel.org/en/Lijiang. It looks gorgeous and something like the Alps. It is apparently about 40 miles (60 km) from Lijiang so it would probably take a minimum of an hour travel time each way. It's served by bus partway and a tram up the rest of the way to the Meadow at about 11,000 feet (3500 m). It sounds like if they go there, it would take at least 3-4 hours of time to get there, do a roadblock/detour and return. I'm not sure they would do that. Perhaps they can arrange to have yaks brought in somewhere closer.

Yak Meadow is inhabited by Tibetan people and the pictures I find of it on Google Earth look more like Tibet. There are a couple of monasteries and temples and there are prayer flags in places that look like ones I've seen pictures of on Mount Everest. There is also a boardwalk/walking trail that is probably about a mile and a half to two miles long. However, I have to wonder how much snow would be up there in late November, so the possibility of snow that high up may have ruled out a trip to Yak Meadow.
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Re: TAR 18 Speculation and Discussion *contains Spoilers*
« Reply #2017 on: February 16, 2011, 10:24:35 PM »
I suspect the least altitude affected racer will be Margie Adams........she lives in Denver and is a runner. I dont know where Luke lives now, but if he is back in Denver, he should adapt well. Short burst athletes dont do well with sudden change in altitude.......that means the Cowboys. Globes should be okay.......their year round basketball game will help them adapt faster. Any other runners will adapt quicker too.

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Re: TAR 18 Speculation and Discussion *contains Spoilers*
« Reply #2018 on: February 16, 2011, 10:36:23 PM »
Remember...Express Passes are given to the winners of a leg. :angel

That's speculation right? I mean, there has only been one other Express Pass ever given out, and there isn't any confirmed rules from TPTB regarding the conditions for awarding one (unless I'm wrong). Realistically, the producers could choose to give one out for whatever reason they deem would make for good television!

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Re: TAR 18 Speculation and Discussion *contains Spoilers*
« Reply #2019 on: February 16, 2011, 10:38:16 PM »
I am sorry but what is TPTB

The production crew?

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Re: TAR 18 Speculation and Discussion *contains Spoilers*
« Reply #2020 on: February 16, 2011, 10:39:57 PM »
No...it is not speculation. ;)

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Re: TAR 18 Speculation and Discussion *contains Spoilers*
« Reply #2021 on: February 16, 2011, 11:23:18 PM »
I think we can safely assume that the rules for the Express Pass are unchanged from TAR 17I think we won't fully know how the automatic U-Turn works until the episode airs, because of past experience with new game elements not being fully explained before the season begins to air.

I think the idea of going up to the Yak Meadow in the mountains outside Lijiang wouldn't be much different that having tasks in the Andes or the Alps, or even the Canadian Rockies. Teams have frequently had to travel an hour each way to locales for tasks in the past, and I don't see any reason why that would be different now. And let's not forget the HD camera capturing the locales.

As to the altitude issue, we can't be totally sure which teams haven't lived for a time in high altitudes in their pasts, and current residence doesn't really resolve that question by itself.  Since there are two legs in the Lijiang area, it's possible the higher altitudes tasks are on the second leg, just to give teams a chance to adapt to the higher altitudes; that is sort of what TPTB have done in the past with other legs that were in mountainous areas, or teams were provided transport to get to their tasks.

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Re: TAR 18 Speculation and Discussion *contains Spoilers*
« Reply #2022 on: February 17, 2011, 09:15:30 AM »
The altitude of Lijiang itself is 7000 feet, which would not by itself require major acclimatizing. The Yak Meadow goes up to 10,920 feet, which is above the point where acclimatization is desirable (I had a bad experience with altitude sickness traveling up to the Jungfraujoch railway station which is only 11,332 feet).

the schnauzers, where does your information on 2 episodes in the Lijiang area come from? What I see in our TIMELINE thread is the second half of episode 4 and possibly beginning of episode 5 involving tasks in Lijiang. Episode 4 starts with flights from Tokyo to Kunming plus a lengthy rail trip from Kunming to Lijiang first  and episode 5 also involves a train trip back to Kunming, then flying to Kolkata. I do not view that  "2 episodes in Lijiang" although I guess it is possible to do so.

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Re: TAR 18 Speculation and Discussion *contains Spoilers*
« Reply #2023 on: February 17, 2011, 09:27:24 AM »
I suspect the least altitude affected racer will be Margie Adams........she lives in Denver and is a runner. I dont know where Luke lives now, but if he is back in Denver, he should adapt well. Short burst athletes dont do well with sudden change in altitude.......that means the Cowboys. Globes should be okay.......their year round basketball game will help them adapt faster. Any other runners will adapt quicker too.

I don't know how much physical activity they will have to do, but I have been at these elevations on multiple occasions and not suffered adverse effects. While at this altitude I participated in hiking and climbing etc. without becoming any more short of breath than normal. I can only remember a handful of instances on the Race when someone had serious trouble with altitude and/or physical activity.
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Re: TAR 18 Speculation and Discussion *contains Spoilers*
« Reply #2024 on: February 17, 2011, 09:28:38 AM »
Remember...Express Passes are given to the winners of a leg. :angel

That's speculation right? I mean, there has only been one other Express Pass ever given out, and there isn't any confirmed rules from TPTB regarding the conditions for awarding one (unless I'm wrong). Realistically, the producers could choose to give one out for whatever reason they deem would make for good television!

I agree, but Peach is probably right.
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