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Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
« Reply #450 on: January 19, 2011, 04:52:03 PM »
i have compare this is Start Line of The Amaizng Race 18 is ..............................Alta Wind Energy Center is start line of race i see dirty where team start in so it start line

I think we already found it ZBC_Company. its in the timeline thread.  :tup:


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Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
« Reply #451 on: January 19, 2011, 07:05:46 PM »
If it really is Qantas out of LAX, then that sets a new record, half-again as long as the drive out of Pahrump (TAR2).


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Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
« Reply #452 on: January 19, 2011, 09:16:55 PM »
I can drill it down a little bit: the permit (bottom of page) lists Whitewater Canyon as the spot.

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Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
« Reply #453 on: January 19, 2011, 09:35:13 PM »
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Whitewater Canyon, Riverside Co. T3S, R3E, Section 12, SW1/4

Actually, that's pretty specific if you ask me.
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T3S, R3E, Section 12, SW1/4
is an exact location referencing a legal subdivision map for that area. If I understand the references T=Township (3 S(outh?)), R=Range (3 E(ast?)) Section 12, in the SouthWest 1/4 (one-quarter).
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Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
« Reply #454 on: January 19, 2011, 09:37:41 PM »
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Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
« Reply #455 on: January 19, 2011, 09:48:24 PM »
Couldn't say. There are special maps (usually done by surveyors) that are used as the basis for the legal description of land for property deeds and other land records. What that description was from tells me that the Bureau of Land Management (U.S. Department of the Interior) uses the legal descriptions of locations for identifying "projects."

One would need to look at a copy of the surveyor's maps that are probably on file with Riverside County in order to pin down the exact plot of land. BLM may also have such maps on file, but I don't want to say that for a fact since I've never had to look for a location that way.
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Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
« Reply #456 on: January 19, 2011, 10:39:40 PM »
Here's an online BLM map and this explains the co-ordinates. If I'm reading it correctly (big if), T3S R3E Section 12 SW 1/4 would put production in the vicinity of Painted Hills Rd. It's next to the I10, but you can't see the highway in the promo. ???

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Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
« Reply #457 on: January 19, 2011, 11:14:27 PM »
Interestingly, Slowhatch's location is in the same area (almost) as where I was finding matching views:

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The GE view matches this shot for likely Sun angle and slope.  It gets better...
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Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
« Reply #458 on: January 19, 2011, 11:18:30 PM »
It is rather far from the I10   :lol:  I guess they wandered   :lol:
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Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
« Reply #459 on: January 19, 2011, 11:22:44 PM »
The key to match are these old style wind machine towers made like radio towers.  There are not very many of them in the farm.

The old style towers appear in the promo shot her in the upper right:

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Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
« Reply #460 on: January 19, 2011, 11:28:14 PM »
I think you guys are very close. I am trying to find the name of that particular quadrangle map with those Township/Range coordinates. They are made by the USGS.....not many of them are online. They want you to buy them. The BLM uses the USGS maps..
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Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
« Reply #461 on: January 19, 2011, 11:31:38 PM »
Another thing that connects are these characteristic double pole transmission lines:

They are few in number on the farm.  But we have some in our promo of the startline.
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Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
« Reply #462 on: January 19, 2011, 11:47:27 PM »
It looks like the location of the start line is closer to the designated film permit location:

I found a line of those double pole transmission towers next to the modern style wind turbines.

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Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
« Reply #463 on: January 19, 2011, 11:51:09 PM »
Here it is relative to the I10

I have a better location ... not far from the one shown here.  Read on  :tup:
« Last Edit: January 20, 2011, 08:55:58 PM by Chateau d If »
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Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
« Reply #464 on: January 19, 2011, 11:54:59 PM »
Good job Chateau...........looks like a benchmark right behind Phil to his right......under your orange circle.

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Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
« Reply #465 on: January 19, 2011, 11:55:36 PM »
Actually, I think I found it using the BLM map link.
There is a narrow body of water labeled "White Water." There is a road called White Water Cutoff west of the south end of that body of water, that becomes "Old Morango Road" that runs very close to I-10 briefly then wiggles away from I-10 headed generally northeastward. On the correct scale, there is a set of 16 red outlined squares with a "12" in the middle, and the SW 1/4 are the four small red blocks that make up the southwest quadrant of the set of 16 red outline blocks with the "12" in the middle. That's the area being referenced in that project list that the land description came from. Once you get it to the correct scale it falls into place very easily, and you can see that the BLM land description is very clear. If you get to highway 82 that's to the east, you are too far to the east, if you are at the service road to the west of the "White Water" body of water, you are too far to the west.

BTW, I'm talking about the BLM reference, not necessarily where the start line was.
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Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
« Reply #466 on: January 20, 2011, 12:04:06 AM »
Actually, I think I found it using the BLM map link.
There is a narrow body of water labeled "White Water." There is a road called White Water Cutoff west of the south end of that body of water, that becomes "Old Morango Road" that runs very close to I-10 briefly then wiggles away from I-10 headed generally northeastward. On the correct scale, there is a set of 16 red outlined squares with a "12" in the middle, and the SW 1/4 are the four small red blocks that make up the southwest quadrant of the set of 16 red outline blocks with the "12" in the middle. That's the area being referenced in that project list that the land description came from. Once you get it to the correct scale it falls into place very easily, and you can see that the BLM land description is very clear. If you get to highway 82 that's to the east, you are too far to the east, if you are at the service road to the west of the "White Water" body of water, you are too far to the west.

BTW, I'm talking about the BLM reference, not necessarily where the start line was.

I think they have the start line in section 12 but in NW 1/4, not in SW1/4.  Just a little off.   :lol:
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Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
« Reply #467 on: January 20, 2011, 12:20:06 AM »
Just for the record, when I made my cryptic message early this morning about finding information from last November that pointed TAR being in Palm Springs, I was referring to the Bureau of Land Management film permit that Slowhatch found. I should have passed it along. I'm not sure what I was thinking now. It was very late when I did that.

Anyway, I went as far as translating the range and township information into a latitude and longitude of 33.92176 N and 116.62823 W for the center of the southwest quadrant of section 12. I looked it up and saw that it was in the middle of a wind farm and left it at that. I'm glad to see that Slowhatch found it and Chateau has narrowed it down much better than I could have. Good work!

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Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
« Reply #468 on: January 20, 2011, 12:24:45 AM »
I believe the filming permit might have been for Phil's stand-up as the teams arrive at the start line.  If so, that would explain the differences.  The film permit almost seems as if it puts the canyon into the background for Phil, then the camera's point of reference would shift via editing to the wind farm.
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Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
« Reply #469 on: January 20, 2011, 03:39:06 AM »
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Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
« Reply #470 on: January 20, 2011, 10:39:14 AM »
I believe the filming permit might have been for Phil's stand-up as the teams arrive at the start line.  If so, that would explain the differences.  The film permit almost seems as if it puts the canyon into the background for Phil, then the camera's point of reference would shift via editing to the wind farm.

Also, when they look to the south, the view of Mount San Jacinto will be spectacular from that location.  It has been used by California Plein Air painters for almost a century.

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Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
« Reply #471 on: January 20, 2011, 10:40:25 AM »
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Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
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Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
« Reply #473 on: January 20, 2011, 03:27:09 PM »
I had a hard time trying to get that BLM site to work on my puter. They don't play nice with each other.

But in the SW/4 of Section 12 is a low promontory. In most of the older TARs, Phil was always on top of a skyscraper for the premier lead-in it seems. In TAR2 he was out in the middle of the dry lake and in TAR17 he was out on that hill on the golf course. I wonder if that is why that parcel of land was in the BLM permit. the_schnauzers comment above got me to thinking that that hill would make a good spot for his helicopter lead-in standup.

Also, the area that Chateau has identified just might be in Section 1 or 2 or 11. That area is north of 16th St and I dont think that 16th St is in Section 12. They all come together over there. Anyway, it is probably just my computer not working well with the BLM site software.

I guess they are driving those off road buggies to get to their cars for the drive to LAX. I didnt find any good access from that start line area to I-10, so I would think they will drive out to 62, then south to I-10.
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Re: TAR 18 Locations/Destinations **spoilers**
« Reply #474 on: January 20, 2011, 09:00:32 PM »
Using this shot from the promo I can get a better pin pointing of the start line.  The shot has a tall radio tower that is unique.  There are also those double pole transmission lines.  A far pair is nested inside a near pair.

That makes a line!  

There are 4 wind turbine towers in the back:  BT1, BT2, BT3, BT4
There are two wind turbine towers that are closer:  NT1, NT2
« Last Edit: January 20, 2011, 09:07:38 PM by Chateau d If »
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