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Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
« Reply #500 on: December 11, 2010, 09:53:46 AM »
I'm gonna call it now. Laugh at me all you want if I'm wrong on Sunday night! (Not playing favorites here)

THE AMAZING RACE 17 CHAMPIONS:

JILL HANEY AND THOMAS WOLFORD

SECOND PLACE:

NAT STRAND AND KAT CHANG

THIRD PLACE:

BROOK ROBERTS AND CLAIRE CHAMPLIN

You know, with all the new interviews by Phil that keep coming up, I feel that J/T being winners becomes a very likely possibility. Not only that, the over-emphasis on FF winners by the promos, and the lack of any footage of J/T in the foot (or cab) race down the stretch in the promos, seem to point towards J/T. I'm still keeping my fingers crossed and hoping N/K will win, but I'm not keeping my hopes too high anymore.


I completely agree with this. Everything points to J/T at this point.

At first I thought that the emphasis on FF winners could only mean that we would finally see an all-female team win, because why would they set us up for disappointment? But the interviews by Phil suggest that they're trying to ease our disappointment by reminding us that the most deserving team winning is what's important.

Still hoping to see a Nat & Kat win, but right now I'd say the probability of J/T winning is about 60%.


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« Reply #501 on: December 11, 2010, 10:09:02 AM »

Only people who have been analyzing the previews & reading the speculations know that Nat/Kat arrived first at the bungee task, though.

Here's what I think will happen in the final leg: the teams leave the memory task within minutes of each other, get stuck in traffic, & Brook/Claire's taxi driver decides to take another route which separates them from the others, hence the "we could be last or first" comment. Tom/Jill check in first (gut feeling from interview & preview) because of a good taxi.

I'm still hoping my gut feeling is wrong, though. Nat/Kat for the win!!

When I saw the first preview after the show, I noticed that the rope was let down on the left side of Thomas and Jill and still rolled up on their right. Then when I saw Brook or Claire's pink shirt in another preview I thought they were leaving and Nat and Kat were bringing up the rear. The sleuths here definitely pointed out that Nat and Kat had been at that spot. Either way it is information that we have.

I know the no confessionals from Jill and Thomas are leaving people to think they won but I don't remember one from Nat and Kat either. When they were at the final location they did talk about a previous challenge but I don't think we have anything from them otherwise. Also in the first preview after the show, when Nat and Kat weren't shown in the helicopter or on the bridge, I thought something had happened to them.

That being said what does a memory challenge have to do with determination and willingness to win? Either there is a final task after the memory task or Phil is talking about traffic. But the things that are a bit of a concern are why would Nat be calling someone in their cab? And what are Thomas and Jill doing in what could be a Mitsubishi store? Maybe they're not lost.

I thought all the hype was going to lead to a let down too. But I do realize that Phil is not going to really give us anything either. If we read between the lines we can get things wrong. Like I suggested, placement change can be from third to second. We could all read that statement and say oh look whatever team is in first but Phil said there will be a placement change so they're not going to win. I'm not sure if that wouldn't be considered too easy to guess. We also don't know when this placement change occurs either. I have this sneaking feeling that Thomas and Jill do manage to somehow get in there first (maybe his Notre Dame education will finally come into play) but I'm going to still hope for a Nat and Kat or Brook and Claire win.
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Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
« Reply #502 on: December 11, 2010, 10:34:54 AM »
Phil is a very smart man. He's had 17 seasons to perfect it, and he knows exactly what to say to make people think he's given it away, without giving anything away.

I wouldn't be reading anything into Phil's interviews about the finale. All of what he said, to me, reads as "It's a good episode, you should watch it"

PS- Since the number of Fast Forwards was cut down to 1, the only team to win without the use of the FF is Tammy and Victor, in a season where the Fast Forward stayed unused.

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Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
« Reply #503 on: December 11, 2010, 10:42:59 AM »
^Uhm, what do you mean? ???
How about the Linzes? Eric and Danielle? TK and Rachel? Freddy and Kendra? Chip and Kim? Brook and Claire? :lol:
Or do you mean that T/V are the first to win the FF in a season where FF is left unused? (Which is only TAR 14 atm)

(OKAY. OFFTOPIC. SORRY. NOW BACK TO OVER 'WHAT IFS' OF PROMOS AND INTERVIEWS TAR 17!)

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Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
« Reply #504 on: December 11, 2010, 10:44:27 AM »
Phil is a very smart man. He's had 17 seasons to perfect it, and he knows exactly what to say to make people think he's given it away, without giving anything away.

I wouldn't be reading anything into Phil's interviews about the finale. All of what he said, to me, reads as "It's a good episode, you should watch it"

PS- Since the number of Fast Forwards was cut down to 1, the only team to win without the use of the FF is Tammy and Victor, in a season where the Fast Forward stayed unused.


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« Reply #505 on: December 11, 2010, 10:48:54 AM »
Phil is a very smart man. He's had 17 seasons to perfect it, and he knows exactly what to say to make people think he's given it away, without giving anything away.

I wouldn't be reading anything into Phil's interviews about the finale. All of what he said, to me, reads as "It's a good episode, you should watch it"

PS- Since the number of Fast Forwards was cut down to 1, the only team to win without the use of the FF during a race with only one FF is Tammy and Victor, in a season where the Fast Forward stayed unused.

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(Sorry for the offtopic too. *blushes*)

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« Reply #506 on: December 11, 2010, 10:54:45 AM »
I'm guessing its either Wink Martindale or Bob Barker.  :cmas26

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Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
« Reply #507 on: December 11, 2010, 11:08:17 AM »
maybe his Notre Dame education will finally come into play) but I'm going to still hope for a Nat and Kat or Brook and Claire win.

Rogue,
I think a MD education is quite superior to what is available at Notre Dame. If intelligence is the main determinant of who wins an Amazing Race, then award it to Nat/Kat. However, we know from the history of the Amazing Race finales that many factors besides pure intelligence come into play, navigation skills and taxi selection luck being probably the most important two. I think any of the 3 teams can win it.

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« Reply #508 on: December 11, 2010, 11:10:55 AM »
Phil is a very smart man. He's had 17 seasons to perfect it, and he knows exactly what to say to make people think he's given it away, without giving anything away.

I wouldn't be reading anything into Phil's interviews about the finale. All of what he said, to me, reads as "It's a good episode, you should watch it"

PS- Since the number of Fast Forwards was cut down to 1, the only team to win without the use of the FF is Tammy and Victor, in a season where the Fast Forward stayed unused.

I agree with you on avoiding the temptation to read too much into Phil's interviews about the finale.  For all we know, he might be misleading us -- making us think that Jill & Thomas won't win so we don't get our hopes up too much -- and then having them lose.  Of course, since I'm so biased in favor of Nat & Kat, I could be seeing what I want to see as well.   :cmas22

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Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
« Reply #509 on: December 11, 2010, 11:48:26 AM »
maybe his Notre Dame education will finally come into play) but I'm going to still hope for a Nat and Kat or Brook and Claire win.

Rogue,
I think a MD education is quite superior to what is available at Notre Dame. If intelligence is the main determinant of who wins an Amazing Race, then award it to Nat/Kat. However, we know from the history of the Amazing Race finales that many factors besides pure intelligence come into play, navigation skills and taxi selection luck being probably the most important two. I think any of the 3 teams can win it.

Oh I don't doubt it. It was a sarcastic moment that I tend to have in terms of Thomas. He has talked about how he thinks his Notre Dame education will come into play on the race but I haven't seen him do anything exceptionally smart thus far.
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« Reply #510 on: December 11, 2010, 12:23:48 PM »
Phil is a very smart man. He's had 17 seasons to perfect it, and he knows exactly what to say to make people think he's given it away, without giving anything away.

I wouldn't be reading anything into Phil's interviews about the finale. All of what he said, to me, reads as "It's a good episode, you should watch it"

PS- Since the number of Fast Forwards was cut down to 1, the only team to win without the use of the FF is Tammy and Victor, in a season where the Fast Forward stayed unused.

Well said, Coutzy!
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Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
« Reply #511 on: December 11, 2010, 01:30:40 PM »
Kat, Kathy Honey Chang practices in Woodland Hills Ca, went to UCLA, betting she can get around L.A.

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« Reply #512 on: December 11, 2010, 01:48:28 PM »
I personally think that I'll be happy whatever the result is. They've been the most competitive and deserving teams for the big win. Nonetheless, if Jill & Thomas won, it would be a lost chance for FF fans.

I start to think that Thomas and Jill make it, just because the FF win thing is a thing, and we won't live to see its end, and so, I think they'll do it.

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Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
« Reply #513 on: December 11, 2010, 01:49:00 PM »
maybe his Notre Dame education will finally come into play) but I'm going to still hope for a Nat and Kat or Brook and Claire win.

Rogue,
I think a MD education is quite superior to what is available at Notre Dame. If intelligence is the main determinant of who wins an Amazing Race, then award it to Nat/Kat. However, we know from the history of the Amazing Race finales that many factors besides pure intelligence come into play, navigation skills and taxi selection luck being probably the most important two. I think any of the 3 teams can win it.

Oh I don't doubt it. It was a sarcastic moment that I tend to have in terms of Thomas. He has talked about how he thinks his Notre Dame education will come into play on the race but I haven't seen him do anything exceptionally smart thus far.

So who thinks Thomas is saying something along line of 'if only these electronic repair people went to Norte Dame instead of ITT, then they could really help me' as he reads their dimplomas in these screen caps? :cmas50



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Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
« Reply #514 on: December 11, 2010, 02:08:06 PM »
What if (In J/T final confessional) they look too sad, not too happy! That may be a reason why we haven't seen it. When I watched the promo, I didn't even notice Claire crying until we stopped it. Maybe t Jill is way too obviously crying about it. And also, perhaps the famous tv show host is the dude from Survivor? God, its sad how I can't remember his name... :cmas5

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Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
« Reply #515 on: December 11, 2010, 02:12:15 PM »
Being that it is in LA I think that the final task will be on the set of some game show there. Can we locate any of those? I'm not sure if that is public knowledge.
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« Reply #516 on: December 11, 2010, 02:15:31 PM »
There is always CBS Television City, is that too obvious? There are many game shows there as well as sound stages and studios.

It is only 16 miles from the Rose Bowl, although that probably takes about an hour in traffic right? :lol:

And it is only 3.5 miles from the Greystone Mansion. I think we should consider this.
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« Reply #517 on: December 11, 2010, 04:24:56 PM »
Just something slightly weird that I noticed-

On wikipedia, usually the team that came first in the previous leg is shown at the top of the placement table, while second is second down on the table, and so on, until the eliminated team.

It was this way as of last episode too.

I just went back and checked, and someone has changed the order of teams to-

Nat and Kat up the top, (even though they came 3rd)
Brook and Claire in the middle
and Jill and Thomas third, (even though they came 1st in the previous leg)

Does wikipedia know something we don't??

Anyway, henceforth, this is my prediction of the final leg- 1. Nat and Kat 2. Brook and Claire 3. Jill and Thomas.

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« Reply #518 on: December 11, 2010, 04:27:38 PM »
Just something slightly weird that I noticed-

On wikipedia, usually the team that came first in the previous leg is shown at the top of the placement table, while second is second down on the table, and so on, until the eliminated team.

It was this way as of last episode too.

I just went back and checked, and someone has changed the order of teams to-

Nat and Kat up the top, (even though they came 3rd)
Brook and Claire in the middle
and Jill and Thomas third, (even though they came 1st in the previous leg)

Does wikipedia know something we don't??

Anyway, henceforth, this is my prediction of the final leg- 1. Nat and Kat 2. Brook and Claire 3. Jill and Thomas.

Yeah, I saw that too. Its a little strange.

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« Reply #519 on: December 11, 2010, 04:31:35 PM »
There is always CBS Television City, is that too obvious? There are many game shows there as well as sound stages and studios.

It is only 16 miles from the Rose Bowl, although that probably takes about an hour in traffic right? :lol:

And it is only 3.5 miles from the Greystone Mansion. I think we should consider this.

could be!!  they could keep it tightly controlled with security too, which is an added plus.  :cmas31: :cmas31:

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« Reply #520 on: December 11, 2010, 05:02:51 PM »
Just something slightly weird that I noticed-

On wikipedia, usually the team that came first in the previous leg is shown at the top of the placement table, while second is second down on the table, and so on, until the eliminated team.

It was this way as of last episode too.

I just went back and checked, and someone has changed the order of teams to-

Nat and Kat up the top, (even though they came 3rd)
Brook and Claire in the middle
and Jill and Thomas third, (even though they came 1st in the previous leg)

Does wikipedia know something we don't??

Anyway, henceforth, this is my prediction of the final leg- 1. Nat and Kat 2. Brook and Claire 3. Jill and Thomas.

Yeah, I saw that too. Its a little strange.

Yeah, but I don't think its random. It seems like it has a purpose.

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Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
« Reply #521 on: December 11, 2010, 05:10:30 PM »
Two things..
1. Who cares what order the finalists are in a column on wikipedia?  It means nothing.  Who cares if Nat and Kat are listed in front of the other two. Its just wikipedia anyone can edit it.
2. I just checked the page and it has Jill and Thomas listed first so I don't know what all of you are talking about.  Its irrelevant anyways.

lets get back to a relevant discussion! :cmas22

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« Reply #522 on: December 11, 2010, 05:19:28 PM »
One interesting thing, I am assuming that only one racer does the memory task and that racer is Jill.  A big part of their edit is in the educational differences between the two.  This has been brought up several times, in Thomas having to double check her or tell her what something meant.

I was very very surprised last episode to see Thomas perform the roadblock has most fans know that from basically season 8 on, there has always been some form of mental task.  Now of course books smarts don't always racing smarts, but I think that either is the pay off for their edit (Jill doing really well) or the just reinforcement on them doing poorly on this task.

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Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
« Reply #523 on: December 11, 2010, 05:21:27 PM »
But we see both racers doing what appears to be the memory task together in the promos.
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Re: TAR 17 EP 12 (FINALE) "Hi. I'm sorry. I'm in a Race."
« Reply #524 on: December 11, 2010, 05:22:21 PM »
Jill did well with the rickshaw task in Bangladesh or at least it seemed like she did from the edit...


 

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