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Survivor 22 Spoilers
« on: September 24, 2010, 12:02:38 PM »
The merged tribe name is Murlonia, per this article:

http://www.realityblurred.com/realitytv/archives/survivor_22/2010_Sep_24_call_sheets

Looks like they have a few challenge names: "Meso Maze", "Numbers Game", "Bone to Pick" (final 5 RC/IC)
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Re: Survivor 22 Spoilers
« Reply #1 on: September 26, 2010, 10:33:49 AM »
look at tribal council #15

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/file/survivor-call-sheets?page=4

what do they mean by "Volee (?) travels to Redemption Island w/Jimmy' (?) (and) Murlania x4 travels to Pena Rola w/Aaron (!!?)


is it like a big spoiler maybe??
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Re: Survivor 22 Spoilers
« Reply #2 on: September 26, 2010, 10:35:41 AM »
look at tribal council #15

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/file/survivor-call-sheets?page=4

what do they mean by "Volee (?) travels to Redemption Island w/Jimmy' (?) (and) Murlania x4 travels to Pena Rola w/Aaron (!!?)


is it like a big spoiler maybe??

Not positive, but I believe someone from the crew walks with the remaining players to and from tribal council, challenges, etc just to make sure they don't get lost.

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Re: Survivor 22 Spoilers
« Reply #3 on: September 26, 2010, 04:14:09 PM »
Just throwing this out there...CBS and ABC have both dropped fake call sheets to give misleading info before...THere was a major one with Lost.
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Re: Survivor 22 Spoilers
« Reply #4 on: September 29, 2010, 04:06:25 PM »
Isnt this for Survivor 21......not 22?
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Re: Survivor 22 Spoilers
« Reply #5 on: September 29, 2010, 05:20:29 PM »
Andy says 22. . .
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Re: Survivor 22 Spoilers
« Reply #6 on: December 21, 2010, 02:01:19 PM »
New spoilers can go here too.

Survivor Redemption Island!
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Re: Survivor 22 Spoilers
« Reply #7 on: December 25, 2010, 12:17:31 PM »
Survivor Exile Island turned out to be.... :cmas29

I wonder how Redemption Island will work out. And they're really smart too. For someone to endure through some challenges after being voted out and then being brought back into the game.. they will be seemed as the underdog and might garner a huge fan base.. and it would help in ratings if they went on to win the game.. hmm!

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Re: Survivor 22 Spoilers
« Reply #8 on: December 25, 2010, 11:35:42 PM »
Survivor Exile Island turned out to be.... :cmas29

I wonder how Redemption Island will work out. And they're really smart too. For someone to endure through some challenges after being voted out and then being brought back into the game.. they will be seemed as the underdog and might garner a huge fan base.. and it would help in ratings if they went on to win the game.. hmm!

Well I didn't watch a lot of Philippine Survivor when they had Isla Purgatoryo, but the first person voted off (Justine), was sent to the island (exactly like Redemption Island, same process), won the challenge (yes, she beat all the other castaways), returned to the game (like in merge I think), and got all the way to the final 3 and ended up 2nd. :)
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Re: Survivor 22 Spoilers
« Reply #9 on: December 26, 2010, 03:50:03 AM »
I loved the concept. I wish it would turn-out just like the Pinoy version, wherein:

Justine (a proud transgender, I'll use 'she') got voted off in the very first (?) Tribal Council. She was sent to 'Isla Purgatoryo' (Purgatory Island in English) and was given a dog named Jumbo to accompany the stayers in the island. One by one she defeated all those who came to the island, even those who are very strong. Nobody knew of the existence of the island, and by extension, Justine.

Once the merge came in, she shocked everyone especially those who conspired in her elimination from her tribe. She became a strong contender, and reached the Final three, and finally landed at the Runner-up slot (one vote short to the million, 3-4)
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Re: Survivor 22 Spoilers
« Reply #10 on: January 01, 2011, 03:05:19 AM »
Okay, we will need really, alot alot of luck for that to happen to make Survivor 22 a really good one. :lol3: (Off-topic lol)

So i'm assuming, Rob and Russell WILL NOT be on this season??
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Re: Survivor 22 Spoilers
« Reply #11 on: January 01, 2011, 05:36:51 AM »
Okay, we will need really, alot alot of luck for that to happen to make Survivor 22 a really good one. :lol3: (Off-topic lol)

So i'm assuming, Rob and Russell WILL NOT be on this season??

Is it possible to look at them during the Survivor Nicaragua reunion to see if they look like they have been on Survivor? Or is the time span too far and they already got filled up by then?
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Re: Survivor 22 Spoilers
« Reply #12 on: January 01, 2011, 12:14:07 PM »
Okay, we will need really, alot alot of luck for that to happen to make Survivor 22 a really good one. :lol3: (Off-topic lol)

So i'm assuming, Rob and Russell WILL NOT be on this season??

Both Sucks and TDT say they are, which I tend to put a lot more trust in then I did in missaye.

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Re: Survivor 22 Spoilers
« Reply #13 on: January 01, 2011, 03:03:39 PM »
Both Sucks and TDT I believe got that info originally from missyae.... :duno:

It seems pretty well spoiled that they are on the next season.
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Re: Survivor 22 Spoilers
« Reply #14 on: January 01, 2011, 03:34:47 PM »
It appears that TDT has additional sources that can back the Russell vs. Rob spoiler. He has posted the first letter in the names of each castaway left to identify.

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Re: Survivor 22 Spoilers
« Reply #15 on: January 02, 2011, 01:14:04 AM »
According to Survivor Fever the 2 tribes are "Ometepe" and "Zapatera"

Ometepe didn't translate but Zapatera means "shoe" in spanish but doesn't translate back to that though........

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Re: Survivor 22 Spoilers
« Reply #16 on: January 02, 2011, 01:59:32 AM »
Zapatera means "shoe" in spanish but doesn't translate back to that though........


Zapatos means shoes in Spanish and zapatero means shoemaker, but according to Wikipedia, Zapatera is a shield volcano located in the southern part of Nicaragua. It forms the island of Isla Zapatera in the Lake Nicaragua. Isla Zapatera constitutes one of 78 protected areas of Nicaragua. And Ometepe is an island formed by two volcanoes rising from Lake Nicaragua.

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Re: Survivor 22 Spoilers
« Reply #17 on: January 02, 2011, 02:32:14 AM »
Zapatera means "shoe" in spanish but doesn't translate back to that though........


Zapatos means shoes in Spanish and zapatero means shoemaker, but according to Wikipedia, Zapatera is a shield volcano located in the southern part of Nicaragua. It forms the island of Isla Zapatera in the Lake Nicaragua. Isla Zapatera constitutes one of 78 protected areas of Nicaragua. And Ometepe is an island formed by two volcanoes rising from Lake Nicaragua.


I see.  :lol:
Still confused with Ometepe..

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Re: Survivor 22 Spoilers
« Reply #18 on: January 04, 2011, 06:24:13 PM »
I looks like TDT has spoiled almost the whole cast, well we know first names of 6 people and we assume TDT knows the rest of the cast:
http://truedorktimes.com/s22/survivometer22.htm
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Re: Survivor 22 Spoilers
« Reply #19 on: January 05, 2011, 08:45:27 AM »
Ometepe stands for another island. From Wikipedia

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Ometepe is an island formed by two volcanoes rising from Lake Nicaragua in the Republic of Nicaragua. Its name derives from the Nahuatl words ome (two) and tepetl (mountain), meaning two mountains. It is the largest island located in the Lake Nicaragua.

Full article here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ometepe
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Re: Survivor 22 Spoilers
« Reply #20 on: January 05, 2011, 06:52:30 PM »
Okay guys, from Sucks and TDT, and missyae  :tup:

OMETEPE TRIBE (Orange):
Rob Mariano, 35 - Four-peater = Marquesas, All-Stars, Heroes Vs Villains, Redemption Island
Andrea Boehlke, 21 - College Student from Stevens Point, Wisconsin
Ashley Underwood, 25 - School Nurse/Basketball Player and Model from Benton, Maine
Francesca Hogi, 36 - Attorney from New York, New York (African Amercian)
Grant Mattos, 29 - Yoga Teacher from Los Angeles, California
Kristina Kell, 46 - Housewife/ Former Model from Malibu, California
Matt Elrod, 21 - Student/Athlete from Nashville, Tennesee
Natalie Tenerelli, 19 - Cheerleader from Los Angeles, California
Phillip Sheppard, 52 - CEO of Company from Santa Monica, California (African American)


ZAPATERA TRIBE (Purple):
Russell Hantz, 37 - Hobbit on Crack = Samoa, Heroes Vs Villains, Redemption Island
David Murphy, 30 - Attorney from Los Angeles, California
Julie, 40+ Older - Occupation Unknown from Central State (Asian American)
Krista Klumpp, 25 - Sales Rep. from Columbia, South Carolina
Mike Chiesl, 31 - Realtor/Former Marine from Cardiff, California
"Rooster" Kiser, 45 - Farmer/Hunting Guide from Lebanon, Virginia
Sarita White, 36 - Visual Effects Producer from Santa Monica, California
Stephanie Valencia, 25 - Actress/Model from Long Beach, California
Steve, 40+ - Former NFL Player from Central State
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Re: Survivor 22 Spoilers
« Reply #21 on: January 05, 2011, 08:58:25 PM »
oh 18 people  >:(

wish they added 2 more people. may be because of the redemption island person coming back and stuff.

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Re: Survivor 22 Spoilers
« Reply #22 on: January 11, 2011, 11:29:39 AM »
I think they figured out Nicaragua was so bad without any all-star power they had to think of some twist for it..

But Rob and Russell?? I mean, besides Amanda and James who appeared on 3/5 seasons from 15 - 20.. i guess Russell is the ONLY Survivor who played 3 seasons of Survivor within a short span of 4 seasons??? OMG. :umn:

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Re: Survivor 22 Spoilers
« Reply #23 on: January 11, 2011, 02:51:14 PM »
It is a good thing I like the released cast pretty well, or I would seriously be sitting this season out for the first time ever. 4 seasons of Russell and 6 total of Rob are enough to make me want to :barf.

NO ONE should have that kind of overkill exposure, no matter whether you were a fan or not the first time around. What is sad is this season looks good with the RI twist and a likeable cast, so IMO it could have stood alone.
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Re: Survivor 22 Spoilers
« Reply #24 on: January 11, 2011, 02:55:14 PM »
It is a good thing I like the released cast pretty well, or I would seriously be sitting this season out for the first time ever. 4 seasons of Russell and 6 total of Rob are enough to make me want to :barf.

NO ONE should have that kind of overkill exposure, no matter whether you were a fan or not the first time around. What is sad is this season looks good with the RI twist and a likeable cast, so IMO it could have stood alone.

I know! How many doggone times is Rob going to try to win a million dollars or part of a million dollars? This will be his sixth chance from CBS alone!

Does CBS really think they need to keep bringing them back to get people to watch the show? They should have more legs to stand on than that.
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Re: Survivor 22 Spoilers
« Reply #25 on: January 14, 2011, 10:46:01 PM »
My guess is that Rob's tribe may have the advantage; while there aren't a lot of really young players this time, that tribe seems to be slightly younger in average age; and physical aspects come into play more in the early days of the game (pre-merge).

Since Matt supposedly looks like Jud/Fabio, I'll probably hope for him to stay around. Otherwise, we'll see, but I'm not holding my breath.
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Re: Survivor 22 Spoilers
« Reply #26 on: January 31, 2011, 05:28:09 PM »
Alright, so my "sources" say that Andrea returned to WI near the start of October.  So, unless they sequester pre-jury eliminated players, it seems Andrea makes it to the merge!

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Re: Survivor 22 Spoilers
« Reply #27 on: February 01, 2011, 05:16:35 PM »
Alright, so my "sources" say that Andrea returned to WI near the start of October.  So, unless they sequester pre-jury eliminated players, it seems Andrea makes it to the merge!

According to survivorfever, She makes the merge.

and if its allowed, I could post their speculation
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Re: Survivor 22 Spoilers
« Reply #28 on: February 10, 2011, 10:11:16 AM »
I do not believe it to be 100% so use at your own risk.

iamthebest75 from sucks posted  1/24/11 04:22 AM

i have decided to provide:

the official bootlist:
1st Boot - Stephanie Valencia (Russell's Tribe0 (Young Girl)
2nd Boot - Ralph Kiser (Russell's Tribe/Removed) (Older Guy)
3rd Boot - Phillip Sheppard (Rob's Tribe) (Older Guy)
4th Boot - Julie Wolfe (Russell's Tribe) (Older Woman)
5th Boot - Kristina Kell (Rob's Tribe) (Older Woman)
6th Boot - Francesca Hogi (Rob's Tribe) (Older Woman)
7th Boot - Steve Wright (Russell's Tribe) (Older Guy)
8th Boot - Matt Wyatt Elrod (Rob's Tribe) (Young Guy)

1st Juror - Russell Hantz (Older Guy)
2nd Juror - Krista Klumpp (Young GirL)
3rd Juror - Sarita White (Older Woman)
4th Juror - Rob Mariano (Older Guy)
5th Juror - Mike Chisel (Young Guy)
6th Juror - Ashley Underwood (Young Girl)
7th Juror - David Murphy (Young Guy)

Final 3 -

Natalie Tenerelli (Young Girl), Grant Mattos (Young Guy), Andrea Boehlike (Young Girl)

Votes are expected to go:

Natalie - 3
Andrea - 2
Grant - 2


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Re: Survivor 22 Spoilers
« Reply #29 on: February 10, 2011, 10:30:53 AM »
Black Whale spoilers from sucks
RED = pre-merge   Green = Jury or F3
FV = makes Family Visit
Something to consider - At least one person may be voted out twice.  Black whale has said 2 people will be returning from Redemption Island, 1 at merge and 1 at F5.  Media coverage seems to be leaning towards just 1 person returning and I am more inclined to believe just 1 returns.  Time will tell.  
Ometepe  

Rob  FV
Andrea Boehlke
Ashley Underwood

Francesca Hogi
Grant Mattos
Kristina Kell
Matt Elrod
Natalie Tenerelli

Phillip Sheppard


Zapatera  

Russell  
David Murphy
Krista Klumpp
Mike Chiesl

Julie Wolfe
Ralph Kiser
Sarita White
Stephanie Valencia
Steve Wright

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Re: Survivor 22 Spoilers
« Reply #30 on: February 10, 2011, 01:25:27 PM »
Russell's wife Melanie got the call, but never went on location was the spoiler I heard...
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Re: Survivor 22 Spoilers
« Reply #31 on: February 10, 2011, 03:55:32 PM »
Russell's wife Melanie got the call, but never went on location was the spoiler I heard...

Kiwi, you are correct.  I did a copy/paste of Russell in Robs spot and forgot to delete the FV.  Thanks for the catch.

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Re: Survivor 22 Spoilers
« Reply #32 on: February 11, 2011, 03:16:41 PM »
Black Whale spoilers from sucks
RED = pre-merge   Green = Jury or F3
FV = makes Family Visit
Something to consider - At least one person may be voted out twice.  Black whale has said 2 people will be returning from Redemption Island, 1 at merge and 1 at F5.  Media coverage seems to be leaning towards just 1 person returning and I am more inclined to believe just 1 returns.  Time will tell.  
Ometepe  

Rob  FV
Andrea Boehlke
Ashley Underwood

Francesca Hogi
Grant Mattos
Kristina Kell
Matt Elrod
Natalie Tenerelli

Phillip Sheppard


Zapatera  

Russell  
David Murphy
Krista Klumpp
Mike Chiesl

Julie Wolfe
Ralph Kiser
Sarita White
Stephanie Valencia
Steve Wright



Just curious, but who would come for Rob's family visit? Cuz Amber was pregnant then
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Re: Survivor 22 Spoilers
« Reply #33 on: February 11, 2011, 04:31:49 PM »
new lame vid that shows something


Here is the one cap that stupid Photobucket decided to upload (if the first one does, I'll upload it) nvm it manned up and uploaded it

Kristina? vs Grant


Grant Goes to RI and wins a round



the first one shows Kristina? Stephanie? leaning more toward Kristina.
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Re: Survivor 22 Spoilers
« Reply #34 on: February 11, 2011, 04:55:58 PM »
so then, that means Grant ultimately wins redemtion? cuz he seems to be in after merge

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Re: Survivor 22 Spoilers
« Reply #35 on: February 11, 2011, 05:54:15 PM »
so then, that means Grant ultimately wins redemtion? cuz he seems to be in after merge

According to Spoilers, there are 2 redemption entrances. Once at the merge and then one at the Final 5. And according to BW on Sucks, RI doesn't play a huge role and no one goes on a winning streak.
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Re: Survivor 22 Spoilers
« Reply #36 on: February 11, 2011, 09:17:00 PM »
Just curious, but who would come for Rob's family visit? Cuz Amber was pregnant then

His brother, the one who came before.
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Re: Survivor 22 Spoilers
« Reply #37 on: February 16, 2011, 07:58:04 PM »
nvm

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Re: Survivor 22 Spoilers
« Reply #38 on: February 16, 2011, 07:58:45 PM »
I do not believe it to be 100% so use at your own risk.

iamthebest75 from sucks posted  1/24/11 04:22 AM

i have decided to provide:

the official bootlist:
1st Boot - Stephanie Valencia (Russell's Tribe0 (Young Girl)
2nd Boot - Ralph Kiser (Russell's Tribe/Removed) (Older Guy)
3rd Boot - Phillip Sheppard (Rob's Tribe) (Older Guy)
4th Boot - Julie Wolfe (Russell's Tribe) (Older Woman)
5th Boot - Kristina Kell (Rob's Tribe) (Older Woman)
6th Boot - Francesca Hogi (Rob's Tribe) (Older Woman)
7th Boot - Steve Wright (Russell's Tribe) (Older Guy)
8th Boot - Matt Wyatt Elrod (Rob's Tribe) (Young Guy)

1st Juror - Russell Hantz (Older Guy)
2nd Juror - Krista Klumpp (Young GirL)
3rd Juror - Sarita White (Older Woman)
4th Juror - Rob Mariano (Older Guy)
5th Juror - Mike Chisel (Young Guy)
6th Juror - Ashley Underwood (Young Girl)
7th Juror - David Murphy (Young Guy)

Final 3 -

Natalie Tenerelli (Young Girl), Grant Mattos (Young Guy), Andrea Boehlike (Young Girl)

Votes are expected to go:

Natalie - 3
Andrea - 2
Grant - 2



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Re: Survivor 22 Spoilers
« Reply #39 on: February 16, 2011, 08:00:59 PM »
After tonight idk if i should believe any spoilers :-
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Re: Survivor 22 Spoilers
« Reply #40 on: February 16, 2011, 09:53:23 PM »
Technically...it isn't wrong YET.

Francesca isn't gone yet, she is on RI.

If she goes up against Stephanie next week and wins...Steph could be the first boot after all.

Or so s1 explained it to me. :lol:
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Re: Survivor 22 Spoilers
« Reply #41 on: February 17, 2011, 07:36:41 PM »
The fight scenes might be a herring. It might be production team trying to get publicity shots for RI.
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Re: Survivor 22 Spoilers
« Reply #42 on: February 17, 2011, 11:37:32 PM »
My guess is that Rob's tribe may have the advantage; while there aren't a lot of really young players this time, that tribe seems to be slightly younger in average age; and physical aspects come into play more in the early days of the game (pre-merge).

Since Matt supposedly looks like Jud/Fabio, I'll probably hope for him to stay around. Otherwise, we'll see, but I'm not holding my breath.

I'm shocked. Russell's tribe had the advantage!!!!! :groan:

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Re: Survivor 22 Spoilers
« Reply #43 on: February 17, 2011, 11:38:27 PM »
Technically...it isn't wrong YET.

Francesca isn't gone yet, she is on RI.

If she goes up against Stephanie next week and wins...Steph could be the first boot after all.

Or so s1 explained it to me. :lol:

Omg, i didn't think of that.. but Francesca beating 5 other people is AMAZING!! :lol:

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Re: Survivor 22 Spoilers
« Reply #44 on: February 21, 2011, 05:47:25 PM »
My guess is that Rob's tribe may have the advantage; while there aren't a lot of really young players this time, that tribe seems to be slightly younger in average age; and physical aspects come into play more in the early days of the game (pre-merge).

Since Matt supposedly looks like Jud/Fabio, I'll probably hope for him to stay around. Otherwise, we'll see, but I'm not holding my breath.

I'm shocked. Russell's tribe had the advantage!!!!! :groan:

Well they do have 5 men and 4 women. Rob's has 4 men and 5 women.
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Re: Survivor 22 Spoilers
« Reply #45 on: February 23, 2011, 07:55:57 PM »
I do not believe it to be 100% so use at your own risk.

iamthebest75 from sucks posted  1/24/11 04:22 AM

i have decided to provide:

the official bootlist:
1st Boot - Stephanie Valencia (Russell's Tribe0 (Young Girl)
2nd Boot - Ralph Kiser (Russell's Tribe/Removed) (Older Guy)
3rd Boot - Phillip Sheppard (Rob's Tribe) (Older Guy)
4th Boot - Julie Wolfe (Russell's Tribe) (Older Woman)
5th Boot - Kristina Kell (Rob's Tribe) (Older Woman)
6th Boot - Francesca Hogi (Rob's Tribe) (Older Woman)
7th Boot - Steve Wright (Russell's Tribe) (Older Guy)
8th Boot - Matt Wyatt Elrod (Rob's Tribe) (Young Guy)

1st Juror - Russell Hantz (Older Guy)
2nd Juror - Krista Klumpp (Young GirL)
3rd Juror - Sarita White (Older Woman)
4th Juror - Rob Mariano (Older Guy)
5th Juror - Mike Chisel (Young Guy)
6th Juror - Ashley Underwood (Young Girl)
7th Juror - David Murphy (Young Guy)

Final 3 -

Natalie Tenerelli (Young Girl), Grant Mattos (Young Guy), Andrea Boehlike (Young Girl)

Votes are expected to go:

Natalie - 3
Andrea - 2
Grant - 2



WRONG!!!!!!!!!

STILL WRONG!!! LOL

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Re: Survivor 22 Spoilers
« Reply #46 on: February 23, 2011, 07:59:12 PM »
That one was believed to be false from the beginning.

I think we can now discount missyae's spoiler as well.
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Re: Survivor 22 Spoilers
« Reply #47 on: February 23, 2011, 08:02:35 PM »
That one was believed to be false from the beginning.

I think we can now discount missyae's spoiler as well.

yeah, It started getting Fishy.

and I guess the redemption challenge is next week, I though tribal would be at :30 and RI at :45 or something, but my spec is that Matt wins.

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Re: Survivor 22 Spoilers
« Reply #48 on: March 09, 2011, 11:19:11 AM »
Black Whale spoilers from sucks
RED = pre-merge   Green = Jury or F3
FV = makes Family Visit
Something to consider - At least one person may be voted out twice.  Black whale has said 2 people will be returning from Redemption Island, 1 at merge and 1 at F5.  Media coverage seems to be leaning towards just 1 person returning and I am more inclined to believe just 1 returns.  Time will tell.  
Ometepe  

Rob  FV
Andrea Boehlke
Ashley Underwood

Francesca Hogi
Grant Mattos
Kristina Kell
Matt Elrod
Natalie Tenerelli

Phillip Sheppard


Zapatera  

Russell  
David Murphy
Krista Klumpp
Mike Chiesl

Julie Wolfe
Ralph Kiser
Sarita White
Stephanie Valencia
Steve Wright



Just curious, but who would come for Rob's family visit? Cuz Amber was pregnant then

Can be considered wrong as of now. Russell OR Matt can't be on the jury. One of them will be gone tomorrow!