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AR17 Flight Information
« on: September 03, 2010, 04:55:30 PM »
I decided to do a comprehensive overview of the AR17. Thanks I believe to Mrs. Shrek and others, we already know a lot about the actual flights that AR17 teams took on the dates we think were correct. I have gone to a favorite airline database that shall not be named for actual flight information, but that now only gives single point-to-point flights, so any multiple flights have to be assembled correctly. The dates of flight will obviously affect actual departure and arrival times (as opposed to schedules which may stay about the same) as well as indicating which dates cannot be used due to flights not valid for those days of the week.

A key unknown is where World Race Productions placed the one or two extended pit stops for AR17. I have assumed one will be in Sweden because teams need time to recover from the long flights from Accra to Frankfurt to Stockholm to Kiruna which total 4700 miles. If there is a second one, I have no idea where it will be.
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Re: AR17 Flight Information
« Reply #1 on: September 03, 2010, 05:41:48 PM »
leg 1 dep. 5/26 BOS LHR
AA108 1940 0700+1
VS12   2002 0725+1


leg 2 dep. 5/28 LHR ACC
VS657 2254 0455+1


leg 3 5/30 local transport in Ghana


leg 4 dep. 5/31 ACC FRA
NOTE that a 6/1 departure does not work, so I have backed this up to 5/31
LH567 2203 0603+1
6/1 FRA ARN
SK2636 1216 1416
6/1 ARN KRN
HK3114 2020 2137

leg 5 KRN ARN
Note: I expect this to be on 6/3, not one day later
6/3 SK1307 1435

leg 6 6/3 local transportation around greater Stockholm area
followed by extended pit stop??


leg 7 ARN LED 6/5
SK732 1311 1632


leg 8 6/6 LED Moscow SVO or DME there are almost hourly flights, so pick one arriving well before the below ongoing flights
SU569 SVO DXB 2018 0103+1 or
EK134 DME DXB 1745 2244     or
6/7 EK132 0038 0528
6/7 EK866 DXB MCT 0333 0447 or for connection for line above EK862 DME DXB 0830 0930


leg 9 6/9 MCT BOM 9W539 0035 0435
6/9 BOM DAC 9W276 0930 1303


leg 10 6/11 DAC HKG  KA111 0215 0816


leg 11 6/13 HKG ICN almost hourly flights from 8am on, so take your pick



leg 12 ICN LAX most probable (earliest) departure is KE17 1524 1024 
 



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Re: AR17 Flight Information
« Reply #2 on: September 03, 2010, 05:50:02 PM »
Really?  So many legs in Sweden.  I thought there were only two legs there.  And two in South Korea, for that matter.

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Re: AR17 Flight Information
« Reply #3 on: September 03, 2010, 07:57:48 PM »
it isn't legs Paron...it is flights and transits.

Thanks apskip! Thanks to spoiler friends we doknow  some of the actual flights used, be sure to refer to the post 1 Timeline summary.

We have no actual evidence for a leg in the Stockholm area, (just transits). We do believe there is at least one leg in Kiruna Sweden (Artic Circle).
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Re: AR17 Flight Information
« Reply #4 on: September 04, 2010, 09:25:30 AM »
Legs 4 and 5 are the only Swedish legs, Paron. I cannot support the possibility of two legs in South Korea because there are 12 legs with only one in South Korea.

KRN is airport code for Kiruna so leg 4 (and maybe also leg 5) is the above-Arctic Circle leg.


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Re: AR17 Flight Information
« Reply #5 on: October 01, 2010, 07:10:21 AM »
I have additional flight information for leg 2 Heathrow to Accra to provide non nonstop flight combinations that could result in earlier arrival if departure was much earlier in the day:

 LHR BRU SN2092    0820 1030
 BRU ACC SN259      1140 1620

LHR FRA  LH4743     0625 0855
LHR ACC LH 566       1025 1450

LHR AMS KL1002       0955 1225
AMS ACC  KL859        1405 1845
    
    
    

  

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Re: AR17 Flight Information
« Reply #6 on: October 18, 2010, 10:52:05 AM »
Leg 4 Actual Flight Information is Now Available

The flight from Accra to Frankfurt was indeed LH567 2203 0603+1
The flights 6/1 from Frankfurt are not direct to Kiruna. A change in Stockholm's Arlanda Airport is mandatory. Times for the two flights mentioned in the telecast are reasonable:

LH3000 FRA ARN 0747 0945 or
LH3002 FRA ARN 0955 1155

Only Nat/kat, Brook/Claire, Michael/Kevin and Gary/Mallory made LH3000 due to either limited actual seats or to WRP/CBS imposed restrictions to
spread out teams a little.

The final flights from Stockholm (ARN) to Kiruna (KRN) were:
first 4 teams could get either DK3761 1030 1155 or SK1042 1107 1231

The other 5 teams would be left with:
SK1044 1325 1440. That gave the first group of teams either a 2 .75 or 2.15 hour head start.



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Re: AR17 Flight Information
« Reply #7 on: October 25, 2010, 12:32:16 PM »
I  have looked at the question of whether Muscat, Oman is a logical connecting point for flights from St. Petersburg to Dhaka. It is NOT. Here's why:

1. the only single connection from LED to DAC is via Bangkok (BKK).
2. the least total time double connections from LED to DAC are via:
    Moscow (DME) and Dubai (DXB)
    Dubai (DXB) and Doha (DOH)
    Moscow (DME) and Bangkok (BKK)
    Moscow (SVO) and Dubai (DXB)
    Helsinki (HEL) and Delhi (DEL)
    Rostov (ROS) and Dubai (DXB)
    Moscow (SVO) and Delhi (DEL)
    Moscow (DME) and Dubai (DXB)
    Kiev (KBP) and Dubai (DXB)
3. all connections from LED to MCT are double except one through Doha and from Muscat to Dhaka there is one nonstop to Dhaka. That means this combination is possible:

FV145  1400 1530 LED DME
EK134  1655 0019+1 DME DXB
KU677  0130+1 0230+1 DXB MCT
BG022 0315+1 1130+1  MCT DAC

However, there is no point in going through Muscat. it would be simpler to just do this:
EK582 0145+1 0800+1 DXB DAC
Through Moscow, the best you could do is to connect onto that  same flight EK582

My conclusion is that it is illogical to use Muscat as just a connection point from St. Petersburg to Dhaka. If teams were spotted in the Muscat airport, it would be because there was a leg in Oman.
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Re: AR17 Flight Information
« Reply #8 on: October 25, 2010, 07:09:00 PM »
I  have looked at the question of whether Muscat, Oman is a logical connecting point for flights from St. Petersburg to Dhaka. It is NOT. Here's why:

1. the only single connection from LED to DAC is via Bangkok (BKK).
2. the least total time double connections from LED to DAC are via:
    Moscow (DME) and Dubai (DXB)
    Dubai (DXB) and Doha (DOH)
    Moscow (DME) and Bangkok (BKK)
    Moscow (SVO) and Dubai (DXB)
    Helsinki (HEL) and Delhi (DEL)
    Rostov (ROS) and Dubai (DXB)
    Moscow (SVO) and Delhi (DEL)
    Moscow (DME) and Dubai (DXB)
    Kiev (KBP) and Dubai (DXB)
3. all connections from LED to MCT are double except one through Doha and from Muscat to Dhaka there is one nonstop to Dhaka. That means this combination is possible:

FV145  1400 1530 LED DME
EK134  1655 1219 DME DXB
KU677  0130+1 0230+1 DXB MCT
BG022 0315+1 1130+1  MCT DAC

However, there is no point in going through Muscat. it would be simpler to just do this:
EK582 0145+1 0800+1 DXB DAC
Through Moscow, the best you could do is to connect onto that  same flight EK582

My conclusion is that it is illogical to use Muscat as just a connection point from St. Petersburg to Dhaka. If teams were spotted in the Muscat airport, it would be because there was a leg in Oman.

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Re: AR17 Flight Information
« Reply #9 on: October 25, 2010, 10:41:59 PM »
Is it certain that teams left Oman the night on the 8th? It could very well be the 9th.

I agree that there has to be a leg in Oman.
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Re: AR17 Flight Information
« Reply #10 on: October 27, 2010, 06:12:51 PM »
I want to go back to leg 4 and the connection in Frankfurt and how that apparently allowed some teams to get ahead at least 2 hours and others to fall behind. The official connect times (quite absurd according to my experience for international to international) for FRA are:

Domestic to Domestic - 45 minutes
Domestic to International - 45 minutes
International to Domestic - 45 minutes
International to International - 45 minutes

That means that all travel agents, particularly Lufthansa ticketing agents in the Accra airport, would have been allowed to book the connection between LH567 (scheduled arrival 630am June 1) and SK3000 (scheduled departure 0735) of 65 minutes. that is 20 minutes more than the minimum. Now, I personally would never book a flight through Frankfurt assuming a 65 minute connect time due to my personal experience there of slow connection, but if it is a legal connection then the Amazing Race teams certainly should have tried to, and been allowed to.
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Re: AR17 Flight Information
« Reply #11 on: October 27, 2010, 06:14:55 PM »
I would be afraid to try that as well in Frankfurt!! Thanks!
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« Reply #12 on: October 27, 2010, 11:10:34 PM »
I always assumed that at least Nat & Kat (and who else booked via the net) would have kept their original tickets (with the slow connection in Frankfurt) and then just bought extra tickets for the fast connection. That way they would have been safe.

I would also assume that Gary & Mallory and Kevin & Michael did not have double tickets since they seemed to have a Lufthansa agent change their tickets.

But I do not know if the race rules allows that kind of behavior. But I remember team Guido stating that in Season 11 they were allowed to hold tickets on multiple connections.

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« Reply #13 on: October 27, 2010, 11:58:22 PM »
I always assumed that at least Nat & Kat (and who else booked via the net) would have kept their original tickets (with the slow connection in Frankfurt) and then just bought extra tickets for the fast connection. That way they would have been safe.

I would also assume that Gary & Mallory and Kevin & Michael did not have double tickets since they seemed to have a Lufthansa agent change their tickets.

But I do not know if the race rules allows that kind of behavior. But I remember team Guido stating that in Season 11 they were allowed to hold tickets on multiple connections.

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Re: AR17 Flight Information
« Reply #14 on: October 30, 2010, 11:38:38 PM »
I had in post #1 above in this thread the following:

leg 5 KRN ARN
Note: I expect this to be on 6/3, not one day later
6/3 SK1307 1435

leg 6 6/3 local transportation around greater Stockholm area
followed by extended pit stop??

leg 7 ARN LED 6/5
SK732 1311 1632

leg 8 6/6 LED Moscow SVO or DME there are almost hourly flights, so pick one arriving well before the below ongoing flights
SU569 SVO DXB 2018 0103+1 or
EK134 DME DXB 1745 2244     or
6/7 EK132 0038 0528
6/7 EK866 DXB MCT 0333 0447 or for connection for line above EK862 DME DXB 0830 0930

Based on what we now know, there are several problems with that. Teams start from Narvik and are not likely to go back through Narvik. The are likely to go through Oslo and then get a connecting flight through Stockholm's Arlanda airport to St. Petersburg. That gives us roughly the following:

leg 5 6/3  Harstad-Narvik airport (EVE) to Oslo OSL), choice of
0641  0824  SK4079
0649  0828   DY233
1059  1235   SK1103
1106  1240   DY235
1505  1638   DY227
1704  1837   DY119
1754 1928    SK4095
1853 2028    DY237

OSL ARN  6/3  potential same-day connecting flights are:
0911 1009   SK484
1102 1154   SK864
Note: these below will not connect and there are others later which won't either
1350 1435   DY808
1407 1504   SK874
1512 1602   SK496
1602 1654   SK882
1657 1745   DY816
1730 1821   SK890    
1824 1915   SK1484
1830 1915   DY3779

ARN LED 6/3
SK732 1310 1635

most of leg 5 6/3 and 6/4 will be around St. Petersburg and either leg 5 or 6 should have an extended pit stop of perhaps 36 hours. All teams should make the the flight connections as long as they are on one of the first two flights. from Harstad-Narvik airport to Oslo.

leg 6 around St. Petersburg on 6/5 or 6/6

leg 7 6/7 St. Petersburg to Muscat:
LED SVO   Aeroflot or Rossiya hourly         connecting to SU519 SVO DXB 2018 0103+1      connecting to  EK866 DXB MCT 0253+1 0348+1  or
LED DME  S7 Airlines or Rossiya hourly   connecting to EK134 DME DXB 1745 2244           connecting to EK866 DXB MCT 0253+1 0348+1   or
LED DME  S7 Airlines or Rossiya hourly   connecting to  EK132 DME DXB 0038+1 0528+1 connecting to 6/8 EK862 DXB MCT 0909+1 1007+1



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Re: AR17 Flight Information
« Reply #15 on: October 31, 2010, 12:04:30 PM »

Apskip, there is a Twitvid that shows teams on a  train in sleeper cars.  So I 'm guessing they leave Narvik by rail.

Here is a table of trains out of Narvik, going to Stockholm.  There is only one per day.  It leaves at 2:50 pm and it takes 18 hours and 25 minutes.  It arrives in Stockholm at 9:15 am.

We have that teams were spoiled to have been on a flight that left ARN at 10:14 am on June 5th.   I'm guessing that they were unable to make it to ARN and catch a flight in 59 minutes so my bet is that they ride the train that leaves on June 3rd and spend almost a full day hanging around Stockholm :)
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« Reply #16 on: October 31, 2010, 12:15:43 PM »

Apskip, on the Muscat to Dhaka flight, I have a better option than you have given in post one.

They should try to get Swiss flight LX 243 leaving MCT at 11:35 pm on June 8th and arriving at 12:45 am in Dubai on June 9th.
Then they connect to Emirates flight EK 582 leaving DBX at 2:00 am and arriving at 8:40 am at DAC on June 9th.

There is no better way.   :snicker:
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« Reply #17 on: October 31, 2010, 12:18:22 PM »
Chateau.....

Doesn't that train also stop at the airport, after Stockholm Central?
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Re: AR17 Flight Information
« Reply #18 on: October 31, 2010, 12:22:04 PM »
Here is a table of trains out of Narvik, going to Stockholm.  There is only one per day.  It leaves at 2:50 pm and it takes 18 hours and 25 minutes.  It arrives in Stockholm at 9:15 am.

Actually there is a second option. A train which leaves at 09.20. You have to change trains in Boden and Uppsala but would arrive at Arlanda at 05:57. This looks feasible.

@DrRox, some trains stop at Arlanda, which is north och Stockholm. But these trains to not. Hence the train switch in Uppsala.

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« Reply #19 on: October 31, 2010, 12:39:31 PM »
Thanks Rox!  Yes it does have a way to the airport.  Here it is.  (you have to get off before Stockholm central in Uppsula ...)

I still can't see them booking in less than one hour.  Maybe the flight was arranged in advance.

Maf, I found your train from Narvik to Boden but I can't see any earlier trains from Boden to Stockholm.   :duno:
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« Reply #20 on: October 31, 2010, 01:09:01 PM »
Well I would assume that they could/would book before boarding the train with internet connection.....or Production has seats blocked....but that does give them about 1:15 min to make flight.

For some reason, I thought that Arlanda was south of Stockholm, not north........duh?

I just wonder if that flight was 14 minutes late taking off because they waited for such a large party...about 30 people at least
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« Reply #21 on: October 31, 2010, 01:43:14 PM »
Maf, I found your train from Narvik to Boden but I can't see any earlier trains from Boden to Stockholm.   :duno:

Well, I must admit that I am looking at a Thursday in July next year (there are no historical timetables as far as I know at sj.se). And then there is a night train from Boden (#91) leaving at 17:12 with arrival in Uppsala at 05:28.

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« Reply #22 on: October 31, 2010, 02:37:35 PM »
It looks like there is a complication in the train schedules that make a difference of a few minutes when a passenger get arrive at Arlanda.

If teams left Narvik on Thursday June 3rd then they can get to Arlanda at 9:09 am after changing trains in Gavle.  

If teams left Narvik on Friday the 4th then they can change trains in Uppsula and get to Arlanda at 9:01 am (different train from Thursday).

If it was the June 3rd start then they had to wait a day for their flight.  That's hard to swallow since there could have been something else to take on June 4th to St. Petersburg.  So I would suspect that we have an extra day in Narvik before the leg starts.  And somehow the teams manage to make their flights on Friday with only a hour at the airport.  Rox's idea of booking on the train seems to help in that regard!
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« Reply #23 on: October 31, 2010, 02:43:36 PM »
It looks like there is a complication in the train schedules that make a difference of a few minutes when a passenger get arrive at Arlanda.

Yes, it is complicated. And I must admit that when I look at historical times via the DB site I get the same results as you guys do. It is only when I look at next years schedule and guess that the same applied last year I find good connections. That guess may very well not be valid. :groan:

But I assume we might find out later tonight. Or we might not, sometimes they are very light on travel details in the show.

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« Reply #24 on: October 31, 2010, 02:48:54 PM »
Probably a stupid question, maf. Does your alternative route have sleeper cars like in the video?
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Re: AR17 Flight Information
« Reply #25 on: October 31, 2010, 02:54:16 PM »

Apskip, there is a Twitvid that shows teams on a  train in sleeper cars.  So I 'm guessing they leave Narvik by rail.

Here is a table of trains out of Narvik, going to Stockholm.  There is only one per day.  It leaves at 2:50 pm and it takes 18 hours and 25 minutes.  It arrives in Stockholm at 9:15 am.

We have that teams were spoiled to have been on a flight that left ARN at 10:14 am on June 5th.   I'm guessing that they were unable to make it to ARN and catch a flight in 59 minutes so my bet is that they ride the train that leaves on June 3rd and spend almost a full day hanging around Stockholm :)

Not so, Chateau. Nobody seems to pay much attention to my transportation schedule information, which is a pity. The train if you get off at Uppsala and take a local train to Arlanda airport arrives there as follows:

   
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« Reply #720 on: October 11, 2010, 04:14:48 PM »
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Here are timetables in effect August 22 to December 11 for trains from Kiruna to Narvik:

304 km Kiruna C  7.09    9.31 10.31 14.04(bus)

473 km Narvik      10.01 12.40 13.25 16.51(bus)

I could find nothing for earlier than August, but it is reasonable to assume schedules would be comparable or more frequent.

The reverse direction train schedules  for the same date range from Narvik to KIruna are:

                              
0 km          Narvik          10.26 14.50

169 km Kiruna C          13.27 17.26
                                
473 km Lulea in            17.24 21.04
  
      
473 km Lulea  out         19.57

Uppsala in         8.31
Uppsala  out      8.53

 Arlanda Airport   9.01  

This indicates it takes 22.5 hours to do this route by train.
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Note that teams must get the 1026am train out of Narvik. With the 250pm train, they would have a one day delay somewhere.

That leaves ample time to make a 1310 flight ARN to LED.
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Re: AR17 Flight Information
« Reply #26 on: October 31, 2010, 03:01:07 PM »
Probably a stupid question, maf. Does your alternative route have sleeper cars like in the video?

It does.

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« Reply #27 on: October 31, 2010, 03:16:24 PM »
Would these help you train gurus ID this train? ???


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Re: AR17 Flight Information
« Reply #28 on: October 31, 2010, 03:31:18 PM »
Thanks Peach.

A little side tidbit about that SAS flight....SK732.......Sunday through Friday, it is a 1310 departure. Only on Saturdays is it a 1000 departure.
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« Reply #29 on: October 31, 2010, 03:51:04 PM »
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Not so, Chateau. Nobody seems to pay much attention to my transportation schedule information, which is a pity. The train if you get off at Uppsala and take a local train to Arlanda airport arrives there as follows:

Thanks Apskip, but I had already fixed it.  You should read the whole thread!

Now why are you talking about a 1310 flight from ARN to LED?  That is for the wrong day of travel.  We have from spoilers that the date was June 5th.  And on June 5th there is no 1310 flight from ARN to LED.
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« Reply #30 on: October 31, 2010, 03:52:27 PM »

Apskip, on the Muscat to Dhaka flight, I have a better option than you have given in post one.

They should try to get Swiss flight LX 243 leaving MCT at 11:35 pm on June 8th and arriving at 12:45 am in Dubai on June 9th.
Then they connect to Emirates flight EK 582 leaving DBX at 2:00 am and arriving at 8:40 am at DAC on June 9th.

There is no better way.   :snicker:

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It all depends on where you draw the line for earliest possible departure. I assumed a 12 hour pit stop that ends at perhaps 10am and allows teams to catch any flights after midnight starting June 9. If you go back from that, how far back should you go? I would argue that your departure time makes little sense in terms of fitting a one hour earlier pit stop release, which may of may not be feasible.

If you want to go back to a 6pm departure (18 hour pit stop starting around 10pm and ending 4pm), here is what is possible through Bahrain starting June 8 and arriving June 9:

GF565   1819 1900         MCT BAH
GF250   2027 0445?+1  BAH DAC

As you and I both know, there are not a lot of efficient options available.


 
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Not so, Chateau. Nobody seems to pay much attention to my transportation schedule information, which is a pity. The train if you get off at Uppsala and take a local train to Arlanda airport arrives there as follows:

Thanks Apskip, but I had already fixed it.  You should read the whole thread!

Now why are you talking about a 1310 flight from ARN to LED?  That is for the wrong day of travel.  We have from spoilers that the date was June 5th.  And on June 5th there is no 1310 flight from ARN to LED.

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« Reply #31 on: October 31, 2010, 03:59:39 PM »
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If you want to go back to a 6pm departure (18 hour pit stop starting around 10pm and ending 4pm), here is what is possible through Bahrain starting June 8 and arriving June 9:

GF565   1819 1900         MCT BAH
GF250   2027 0445?+1  BAH DAC

Quite true!  So that may be the flight taken by teams who are ahead of Steph and Chad.
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Re: AR17 Flight Information
« Reply #32 on: October 31, 2010, 04:12:47 PM »
Thanks Peach.

A little side tidbit about that SAS flight....SK732.......Sunday through Friday, it is a 1310 departure. Only on Saturdays is it a 1000 departure.

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There is no doubt about this flight... Straight from the RELIABLE person on the flight:
ME:  you were flying on June 5 out of Stockholm? Was that SK 732 arr 133PM? .
 SOURCE: June 6 at 8:16am
Yes, that was the flight.


Here is the info.

Departure Status Details 
 
Airport:    (ARN) Arlanda Airport
 
City:    Stockholm, SE 
Scheduled:    10:00 AM - Sat Jun 05, 2010 
Actual:    10:14 AM - Sat Jun 05, 2010 
     Departed gate 14 min later than scheduled 
Terminal:    5 
Local Time:   10:07 PM - Sun Oct 31, 2010 
   


Arrival Information Arrival Status Details 
 
Airport:    (LED) Pulkovo Airport
 
City:    Saint Petersburg, RU 
Scheduled:    1:25 PM - Sat Jun 05, 2010 
Actual:    1:33 PM - Sat Jun 05, 2010 
     Arrived at gate 8 min later than scheduled 
Terminal:    2 
 
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Re: AR17 Flight Information
« Reply #33 on: October 31, 2010, 04:46:54 PM »
Just below are my original assumptions. The only way you get 6/5 departure from Stockholm is to have an extended pit stop back in Accra so that teams depart Accra evening of 6/2

leg 4 dep. 5/31 ACC FRA
NOTE that a 6/1 departure does not work, so I have backed this up to 5/31
LH567 2203 0603+1
6/1 FRA ARN
SK2636 1216 1416
6/1 ARN KRN
HK3114 2020 2137

leg 5 KRN ARN
Note: I expect this to be on 6/3, not one day later
6/3 SK1307 1435


OK, so the adjustment would need to be to this:

leg 4 ACC FRA LH567     2215      0640+1
          FRA ARN LH3000   0744+1 0939+1  or  LH3002   0955+1 1148+1
          ARN KRN DY3067  1042+1 1030+1  or  SK1042  1105 1239+1   RED FLAG: There was no later flight, the one that connects with the 0935 flight from Frankfurt to Arlanda, on either 6/2 or 6/3. That essentially means that this scenario is impossible. 

Somebody smarter than me needs to make all this fit because the only way it does is to depart from Accra on 5/31 and get to Kiruna on 6/1. If that is the case, teams are not going to arrive back in Arlanda Airport on 6/5.

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Re: AR17 Flight Information
« Reply #34 on: October 31, 2010, 04:51:41 PM »
Just below are my original assumptions. The only way you get 6/5 departure from Stockholm is to have an extended pit stop back in Accra so that teams depart Accra evening of 6/2


We have spoiler photos of teams arriving in Arlanda on 6/1. No doubts.
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« Reply #35 on: November 01, 2010, 01:22:30 AM »
Mystery solved! And I think everyone was right to some extent!

We've figured out that teams got off the train at Uppsala to change to taxis, and in the debarkation shots there's a clock showing, vaguely, 6.00am. We also know that teams at Narvik took the 10.26am, and not later, more direct trains, to Uppsala. Hence, I propose:

IC 95 to Boden, 1026-1653
IN 91 to Uppsala, 1725-0602

Which, after a 30min taxi ride, gives teams a couple of hours breathing room at Arlanda before their flight at 10.14am.
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« Reply #36 on: November 02, 2010, 01:53:41 AM »
IC 95 to Boden, 1026-1653
IN 91 to Uppsala, 1725-0602

I think this is right.

Most of the footage of the train arriving at the station and teams embarking is not from Narvik. There are a number of facts indicating this:
 * The first shot of the train arriving is labeled as 10:26am. But we clearly see a clock on the platform which says 16:55.
 * The signs at the platform are in Swedish (Vagnsläge E).
 * There are no mountains or fjords in the background
 * This station has a small roof on the platform, but the Narvik station does not.

My guess is that this was shot at Boden, and the layout of that station matches what is shown.

PS There is one short shot taken from low when the train arrives which is probably from Narvik. It has a yellow house and mountains in the background.

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« Reply #37 on: November 02, 2010, 02:32:48 PM »
Nice call on the Boden connection Maf  :jam:

I don't know why DB did not show me the ride when I checked.
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Re: AR17 Flight Information
« Reply #38 on: November 08, 2010, 07:55:31 AM »
The pit stop release time from St. Petersburg could be something around midnight (12 hours) starting June 8, 6am (18 hours)  or noon (24 hours); it doesn't matter. In all cases are a myriad of flights from St. Petersburg's LED to Moscow's DME airport that arrive on or before FY183 1711 1843:
S738
FY191
FY185
UN4
FV195
FV1799
S7 46
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The limiting part of the total route is the flight from DME to Doha (DOH)QR867 1952 2336.
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« Reply #39 on: November 09, 2010, 11:08:48 AM »

Apskip, I've got you beat by two much better routes through either Munich or Frankfurt:

LED to FRA on FV 245 takes off at 5:15 am and arrives at 6:20 am
FRA to AUH on EY 2 takes off at 11:15 am and arrives at 7:35 pm
AUH to MCT on BA 73 takes off at 8:35 pm and arrives at 9:40 pm

LED to MUC on LH 3251 takes off at 5:50 am and arrives at 6:35 am
MUC to MCT on WY 124 takes off at 1:30 pm and arrives at 10:00 pm

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« Reply #40 on: November 09, 2010, 02:36:38 PM »
Chateau,

I saw those connections on Travelocity. I hope they can get them. What I remember was how much trouble they had getting out of St Petersburg in TAR5.....well all but Colin and Christie. I guess it depends on when they get released from the pit stop........in this day of the mysterious pit stop. Here is the screen cap of the departing pit stop mat. The view is to the SSW looking to the dark. I see no direct sunlight, so it is before 0441 on June 7th. I think the pic was taken at the SW corner of the Peter and Paul Fortress, looking past the Winter Palace and Dvortsovy Bridge. Sun would be almost directly behind the camera. What time do you think they would have to leave the pit stop, to make a 0500 flight or 0550 flight?



This pic certainly looks like Kat is happy with her flights.....whatever they are. Do you think this is local travel agency like Colin did.....or the airport ticket office like the rest of the teams in TAR5?

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« Reply #41 on: November 09, 2010, 03:43:26 PM »
Actually, this pit start shot was taken here.  In front of Peter I on the horse.





So the direction that the camera is looking is to the northeast.  Pretty much where the sunrise will be.  My guess is about 3 am.
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« Reply #42 on: November 09, 2010, 03:50:21 PM »
Here is a night simulation from GE.

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« Reply #43 on: November 09, 2010, 04:34:18 PM »
So they went back to the Pit Start for the previous leg? (They swiveled the sign to point the opposite direction.) Could anyone check the end credits of the St Petersburg legs to figure out our Pit Stop hotel?
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« Reply #44 on: November 09, 2010, 05:29:58 PM »
  My guess is about 3 am.

I am certainly not going to argue with the Prince of the Protractor...lol  Do you think they can leave downtown at 3 am and make a 5 am flight?
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« Reply #45 on: November 10, 2010, 11:31:07 PM »
Pulkovo II Airport in St. Petersburg, Russia

The Pulkovo II International Flights Airport is located 13 km away from the city center on he same road to the domestic flights airport.

Getting from Pulkovo II Airport to the city.
     
Bus route 11 - the bus stop is located in front of the main building of the airport opposite the parking lot and closer to the Arrivals Hall. Note that there is another bus stop closer to the Departures Hall and bus 11 stops there en route to Aviagorodok (or Aviation Town) - which is not what you want. After departing from Aviagorodok the same bus will make a stop near the Arrivals Hall and form there will go to St. Petersburg via Pulkovo highway, the Victory Square and on to Moskovskaya Metro station. Buses run from 6:30am till 12:00pm with 15-20 minutes interval. Current bus fare is 7 rubles (about 25 cents).    

Express buses - Express buses stop at the same bus stop near the Arrivals Hall as explained above. Several express bus routes are available:

     K-3: Pulkovo II - Moskovskaya Metro - Sadovaya Metro
     K-13: Civil Aviation Academy - Pulkovo II - Moskovskaya Metro
     K-39: Pulkovo I - Pulkovo II - Ladozhskaya Metro (Ladozhsky Railway Station)
     K-213: Aviagorodok - Pulkovo II - Moskovskaya Metro - Sadovaya Metro

Note that routes 3, 13 and 213 run along Moskovsky Prospect and have stops at every metro station located in the area. Current fare is 15 - 25 rubles, most drivers will charge you a flat 15 rubles fee (about 50 cents) for getting to Moskovskaya Metro station.
          
 Taxi - Available round-the-clock and very expensive compared to standard city taxis. Managed by one of the airport-managed daughter companies, airport taxi service offers comfortable Western sedans (Mercedes, Audi, etc.) at Western prices. A ride to the city center may cost up to $50 for a party of two.
 

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« Reply #46 on: November 11, 2010, 09:49:40 AM »
This is some great info you guys have pulled together. It looks like the buses are the cheapest and easiest way but they do not run until 6:30 so that's not going work. Do the express buses run around the clock? Otherwise I am sure they will just take a taxi.
If C/S do sleep in they will probably miss that early flight, however it obviously does not matter because they are all caught up by the HoO.
One other thing I noticed is that Jill and Thomas may be standing directly behind Kat in that pic. The team has blue packs anyway.

Scratch that, their packs are not that dark: http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,21997.msg570426.html#msg570426
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« Reply #47 on: November 14, 2010, 10:29:16 PM »
Good call on the departure times, guys!

So here's the itinerary of the first two teams, confirmed by a shot of the tickets:
FV 277 to Amsterdam, 0801-0908 (scheduled 0800-0900)
KL 449 to Abu Dhabi, 1025-1846 (scheduled 1025-1855)
KL 449 to Muscat, 1918-2019 (scheduled 1950-2055)

Do you guys know why there was a return trip for 27 Jun printed on the tickets as well?
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« Reply #48 on: November 14, 2010, 10:31:22 PM »
Nice work, Neobie!
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Re: AR17 Flight Information
« Reply #49 on: November 14, 2010, 11:06:09 PM »
So it looks like the second batch of teams took a Lufthansa flight:
LH 3221 to Frankfurt, 0553-0650 (scheduled 0600-0650)
LH 618 to Abu Dhabi, 1237-2052 (scheduled 1230-2040)
LH 618 to Muscat, 2122-2225 (scheduled 2130-2235)

Chad/Stephanie are seen on an Etihad flight, which means they connected through Abu Dhabi as well. Assuming they took Etihad out of Europe, there are only two possible itineraries:

AF 2899 to Paris, 0729-0908 (scheduled 0730-0855)
EY 32 to Abu Dhabi, 1135-2025
EY 388 to Muscat, 2130-2235

Any flight to Moscow DME, latest FV 195, 1002-1100 (scheduled 0950-1050)
EY 68 to Abu Dhabi, 1700-2045 (scheduled 1510-2020)
EY 388 to Muscat, 2130-2235

The second itinerary is less likely simply because TPTB usually mandates that teams arrive and leave a country from the same city, for reasons pertaining to customs (in this case, St Petersburg). Maybe we'll get more info from the Insider Clips.
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« Reply #50 on: November 14, 2010, 11:29:22 PM »
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Re: AR17 Flight Information
« Reply #51 on: November 15, 2010, 12:36:25 AM »
Looks to me that they did the same thing, that they did in Bariloche last year.........TPTB paid a travel agency to stay open. All those connections came up on Travelocity last week......there were really just so many to individually name. I think it just depended on seat availability from whichever European hub to either Dubai or Abu Dhabi. Good call on leaving from the same city, Neobie. I think that probably holds especially true with Russia....after the mess with Terrance and Sarah.
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Re: AR17 Flight Information
« Reply #52 on: November 16, 2010, 07:26:08 AM »
I agree with Dr. Rox, this is incredibly complicated and takes a lot of effort to sort out what really happened. Neobie, I agree with your flights connecting through Amsterdam and Abu Dhabi and the Frankfurt connection for reaching the later Abu Dhabi flight to Muscat (not the Paris one) because the Luthansa flight is really straight through from Frankfurt to Muscat.

However, the third set of flights were probably through Doha:
any of 6 Rossiya or S7 flights from LED to Moscow DME 0700 0655 earliest to 1210 1242 latest
QR869   DME DOH   1451 1837
QR168  DOH MCT    2016 2227 (scheduled 2235)

























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« Reply #53 on: November 16, 2010, 08:08:58 AM »
Chad/Stephanie were on an Etihad flight, though.
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« Reply #54 on: November 16, 2010, 02:23:02 PM »

Apskip, on the Muscat to Dhaka flight, I have a better option than you have given in post one.

They should try to get Swiss flight LX 243 leaving MCT at 11:35 pm on June 8th and arriving at 12:45 am in Dubai on June 9th.
Then they connect to Emirates flight EK 582 leaving DBX at 2:00 am and arriving at 8:40 am at DAC on June 9th.

There is no better way.   :snicker:

Chateau, of course if teams were still at the pit stop when this flight took off, it would be of no value to anyone, which is the case because with a 12 hour minimum pit stop there is no way any team could have finished the lengthy drives in Oman and relatively short tasks much before late afternoon.

In fact there would be a better flight nonstop from MCT to DAC if a team was ready to go for a 315am flight, which I project no team will be:

BG022 MCT DAC 0315 1120

Another flight combination which bites the dust for the same reason, except maybe for Nat and Kat, is the one I had originally listed for leg 9:

9W539  MCT BOM  0035 0435
9W276  BOM DAC  0930 1303


The flights I think match the times that most teams will need them are:

WY311 MCT CGP 0905 1505
Z5 036 CGP DAC 1635  1720

or

EK863 MCT DXB 1045 1530
EK584 DXB DAC 1315 1930
 
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Re: AR17 Flight Information
« Reply #55 on: November 16, 2010, 06:10:29 PM »
Well I calculate that J/T first arrived at the mat around 7 pm on June 8th. Sunset was at 6:51 pm on June 8th. When Chad and Stephanie arrived shortly there after it was getting dark. Sun goes down quick in those latitudes that time of year. So I am assuming a 12 hour pit stop time to be about 7 am on June 9th. There are some daytime connections to Dhaka, but the next leg appears to be shot all during the day. I wonder if an extended pit stop is the  case to make all the teams arrive around morning in Dhaka on June 10.
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« Reply #56 on: November 16, 2010, 06:18:32 PM »
Guys, we do have the teams seen looking for flights out of Muscat Airport on the evening of 9 Jun.

Gary/Mallory checked in at around midnight the night of 8 Jun, after a 16h leg beginning with the climb up to the fort at around 8am.

Here's Jill/Thomas' flight:
9W 539 to Mumbai, 0040-0440 (scheduled 0045-0445)
9W 276 to Dhaka, 0903-1228 (scheduled 0820-1200)
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« Reply #57 on: November 16, 2010, 06:44:23 PM »
I have totally lost track...but the source said the night of the 8th .... :duno:
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« Reply #58 on: November 16, 2010, 06:52:10 PM »
Our translation efforts were mistaken, as I've mentioned in Post #64 on the Timeline Thread. This was the error that caused us to predict one leg in St Petersburg and two in Bangladesh at the beginning of the season, the only mistake we had in the route.

Teams arrived in Oman on the night of 7 Jun (see vidcap below) and raced on the 8th. They checked in between 7pm and midnight, and therefore could only have been at the airport the following evening, trying to leave Oman.

(Can anyone explain the weird return flight in the below vidcap for 27 Jun?)
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Re: AR17 Flight Information
« Reply #59 on: November 16, 2010, 07:03:04 PM »
Thanks Neobie!! Guess he had his days mixed up...

Maybe roundtrip tickets are cheaper?? :ascared:
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Re: AR17 Flight Information
« Reply #60 on: November 16, 2010, 07:06:59 PM »
Does Oman require proof of onward travel? And does that ticket read Roberts, Brook Lee Mr? :)
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Re: AR17 Flight Information
« Reply #61 on: November 16, 2010, 07:14:45 PM »

Here's Jill/Thomas' flight:
9W 539 to Mumbai, 0040-0440 (scheduled 0045-0445)
9W 276 to Dhaka, 0903-1228 (scheduled 0820-1200)

So this flight is actually very early AM on June 10th. It does appear that all the tasks in Dhaka are in the afternoon. So this itinerary makes sense. But it appears that the teams all arrived in Dhaka together.
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Re: AR17 Flight Information
« Reply #62 on: November 16, 2010, 07:52:13 PM »

Here's Jill/Thomas' flight:
9W 539 to Mumbai, 0040-0440 (scheduled 0045-0445)
9W 276 to Dhaka, 0903-1228 (scheduled 0820-1200)

So this flight is actually very early AM on June 10th. It does appear that al the tasks in Dhaka are in the afternoon. So this itinerary makes sense. But it appears that the teams all arrived in Dhaka together.

That's what it looks like from the commercials. I don't think we have any flight problems on this one.

Does Oman require proof of onward travel? And does that ticket read Roberts, Brook Lee Mr? :)

Yes it does, her name is Brooke Roberts but who on earth is Mr. Lee?

And they are there for twenty days?!?! Is that ticket bogus or something?
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Re: AR17 Flight Information
« Reply #63 on: November 16, 2010, 08:24:05 PM »


Yes it does, her name is Brooke Roberts but who on earth is Mr. Lee?

And they are there for twenty days?!?! Is that ticket bogus or something?

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Re: AR17 Flight Information
« Reply #64 on: November 16, 2010, 08:35:00 PM »


Yes it does, her name is Brooke Roberts but who on earth is Mr. Lee?

And they are there for twenty days?!?! Is that ticket bogus or something?

I was going to reply to your questions, till I realized they were rhetorical.

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Re: AR17 Flight Information
« Reply #65 on: November 16, 2010, 09:10:30 PM »

I was going to reply to your questions, till I realized they were rhetorical.

You wish. :lol:
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Re: AR17 Flight Information
« Reply #66 on: November 16, 2010, 09:23:43 PM »

I was going to reply to your questions, till I realized they were rhetorical.

You wish. :lol:

Well he answered his own question in his post.....so he doesnt need me to answer it.
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Re: AR17 Flight Information
« Reply #67 on: November 19, 2010, 01:24:06 AM »
Well I calculate that J/T first arrived at the mat around 7 pm on June 8th. Sunset was at 6:51 pm on June 8th. When Chad and Stephanie arrived shortly there after it was getting dark. Sun goes down quick in those latitudes that time of year.

I think you are right. The clock in J/T's car showed 18:43 when he got out to pay for the cab at the palace. So I would guess it took them a couple of minutes to find the mat and that C/S then checked in around 19:00.

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Re: AR17 Flight Information
« Reply #68 on: November 19, 2010, 02:21:23 AM »
Excellent find, maf!!!
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Re: AR17 Flight Information
« Reply #69 on: November 23, 2010, 12:11:50 AM »
Flights from Muscat to Dhaka:

Thomas/Jill
QR 165 to Doha, 1837-1858 (scheduled 1840-1900)
QR 344 to Dhaka, 2116-0519 (scheduled 2100-0515)

Nick/Vicki
LX 243 to Dubai, 2338-0049 (scheduled 2335-0045)
EK 582 to Dhaka, 0219-0847 (scheduled 0200-0840)

Nat/Kat
FZ 46 to Dubai, 1810-1910
9W 543 to Mumbai, 2140-0215 (scheduled 2140-0225)
9W 276 to Dhaka, 0903-1228 (scheduled 0820-1200)

Chad/Stephanie, Brook/Claire
9W 539 to Mumbai, 0040-0440 (scheduled 0045-0445)
9W 276 to Dhaka, 0903-1228 (scheduled 0820-1200)
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Re: AR17 Flight Information
« Reply #70 on: December 10, 2010, 01:31:04 PM »
The guess I made on the flight from Seoul/Inchon to LAX still looks good for the date of June 15:
 
leg 12 ICN LAX most probable (earliest) departure is KE17 1524 1024 


 

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