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Re: TAR 16 Timeline Thread
« Reply #250 on: March 31, 2010, 10:38:15 AM »
Regarding some of the questions about time, I noticed that CBS is posting press photos each week after the episode airs.  I don't have access to them, but if someone does, perhaps they could check to see if Exif data is still attached.  It would help in nailing down on which day certain events occurred.
The photos CBS posts after the race are screen grabs - no exif info on them.
Makes me wonder if they had a set photographer with them once they left Valparaiso.
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Re: TAR 16 Timeline Thread
« Reply #251 on: March 31, 2010, 04:15:08 PM »
Regarding some of the questions about time, I noticed that CBS is posting press photos each week after the episode airs.  I don't have access to them, but if someone does, perhaps they could check to see if Exif data is still attached.  It would help in nailing down on which day certain events occurred.
The photos CBS posts after the race are screen grabs - no exif info on them.
Makes me wonder if they had a set photographer with them once they left Valparaiso.


I don't think they did because I looked at Getty Images and the last photo taken was December 2, 2009. The screencaps started in Germany. Here is the link I found:
http://www.gettyimages.com/Search/Search.aspx?contractUrl=2&language=en-US&family=editorial&assetType=image&p=The%20Amazing%20Race%2016#

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Re: TAR 16 Timeline Thread
« Reply #252 on: March 31, 2010, 04:23:04 PM »
The photos CBS posts after the race are screen grabs - no exif info on them.
Makes me wonder if they had a set photographer with them once they left Valparaiso.

Just to clarify, Monty Brinton was credited on photos through the end of leg 3 in Bariloche.  Since then they have been releasing screen grabs.

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Re: TAR 16 Timeline Thread
« Reply #253 on: March 31, 2010, 06:59:18 PM »
From the vidcaps we can confirm that:
Steve/Allie, Dan/Jordan, Michael/Louie and Carol/Brandy are on the same flight, and that
Brent/Caite and Jet/Cord are on the same flight.
I can't determine conclusively whether they arrived on two separate flights or the same flight.

Dan/Jordan were seen on MH 1138 from Kuala Lumpur to Penang (0915-1015).

There is an earlier flight that morning between the two cities, MH 1134 (0730-0830). This suggests that the brothers did not arrive the previous evening to make it onto the early morning flight. Since departures from the Seychelles are few and far between, the best flight combination I could find is:
EK 706 to Dubai (13 0815-1245)
MH 157 to Kuala Lumpur (13 1855-0605)
MH 1138 to Penang (14 0915-1015)

This also means that the brothers were likely to have been released too late for the 1.45am flight out of Mahe (which allows them to take the early Kuala Lumpur-Penang flight), but in time for the 8.15am flight from Mahe to Dubai. There are no other flights leaving after this Dubai connection which will arrive in Penang before nightfall, although there are a couple of 'inefficient' routes that leave earlier and arrive later.

(Apskip has a flight that goes from Mahe to Doha to Dubai, then the same flight to Kuala Lumpur. Here we suggest a direct flight from Mahe to Dubai that leaves 45min later.)
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Re: TAR 16 Timeline Thread
« Reply #254 on: April 04, 2010, 09:41:20 PM »
Leg 8 departures

Steve & Allie - 7.22pm
Dan & Jordan - 7.36pm
Brent & Caite - 9.15pm
Louie & Michael - 9.16pm
Carol & Brandy - 10.19pm
Jet & Cord - 10.22pm
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Re: TAR 16 Timeline Thread
« Reply #255 on: April 04, 2010, 10:03:02 PM »
The times would appear to make Seychelles a 32 hour pitstop.

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Re: TAR 16 Timeline Thread
« Reply #256 on: April 05, 2010, 01:24:17 AM »
Phil's voice over confirms all teams on the same flights from the Seychelles to Penang via Dubai; no mention of any other connections, just that it was a 21-hour flight. Oh, and that the first flight departed at about 2 am, more or less.
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Re: TAR 16 Timeline Thread
« Reply #257 on: April 05, 2010, 02:21:33 AM »
The ferry from Prawlin to Mahe left at 2 am......not a flight.
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Re: TAR 16 Timeline Thread
« Reply #258 on: April 06, 2010, 06:22:58 AM »
If the teams in Puerto Vallarta stayed up until 2am, and we assume that TPTB doesn't want to keep them up as much as possible, does that mean Steve and Allie were eliminated in Penang, 14h ahead, at around 4pm?
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Re: TAR 16 Timeline Thread
« Reply #259 on: April 06, 2010, 07:13:55 AM »
i suspect that the teams get interviewed first, then steve and allie called to mexico
If the teams in Puerto Vallarta stayed up until 2am, and we assume that TPTB doesn't want to keep them up as much as possible, does that mean Steve and Allie were eliminated in Penang, 14h ahead, at around 4pm?
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Re: TAR 16 Timeline Thread
« Reply #260 on: April 06, 2010, 01:03:45 PM »
Puerto Vallarta Mexico is in the Central Time Zone Daylight Savings now, but Standard time in December, UTC/GMT - 6 in Dec. 2009 Penang was UTC/GMT +8 hours year-round for 2009 and 2010.

This shows why Neobie's calculation of a 14 hours time zone differential is correct for Dec. 2009.

So 4pm Penang time was = 2am same day Puerto Vallarta time.

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Re: TAR 16 Timeline Thread
« Reply #261 on: April 06, 2010, 09:49:25 PM »
Very interesting... Did TPTB gamble on all (surviving) teams checking into the Penang Pit Stop within three hours of each other, or is there going to be some equalizing factor at the beginning of the next leg? Given that teams arrive in the morning (shadows upon arrival point northwest), here's the train I believe the teams took:
Butterworth to Kuala Lumpur (1000-1730, I think this train no longer runs on weekdays)
Kuala Lumpur to Singapore (2135-0810)

There's a direct, leaving three hours earlier, that gets into Singapore at 2130 the same evening. An hours-of-operation can fix things up here for a team that gets ahead, but a team that misses the 10.00am train will not be able to get into Singapore until 4.05pm the next day, 8h behind everyone else.

Is TPTB going to herd everyone onto the 10.00am without allowing anyone on the 7.00am train, and if so, how? The first ferry from Penang to Butterworth leaves at 5.30am, so that's not going to cause teams to miss the earlier train...

Edited to add: Please note that 8.10am is not indicative of when teams actually arrive in Singapore. Malaysian trains are frequently always late, and it's not unusual for them to be running up to three hours behind.
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Re: TAR 16 Timeline Thread
« Reply #262 on: April 07, 2010, 07:58:38 AM »
Neobie,
Last time I looked at the map there was the 13.5 km Penang Bridge running from Penang island to the mainland. Why is the question of the first ferry even an issue? There is public transportation by bus available: "Butterworth railway station is conveniently located next to the bus and ferry terminal, south of the town centre." and "the much-loved Penang ferry departs regularly from the Butterworth Ferry Terminal for George Town. The ferry terminal is conveniently connected with the railway station and bus terminal via covered walkways." I am certain that a taxi can be taken from any place on Penang Island to the Butterworth railway station.

Although it was not ready for the visit of AR16, for future visits to Penang "Penang Sentral" is a future inter-modal transportation hub and a commercial development currently under construction in Penang. Construction of the transportation hub will start in Q1 2009 and expected to complete by 2011.

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Re: TAR 16 Timeline Thread
« Reply #263 on: April 07, 2010, 08:52:52 AM »
Good point, Apskip. I was just mentioning that TPTB cannot hope to use the ferry as a bunching mechanism, as teams can still be split onto the 7.00am and 10.00am trains (and arrive 11h apart) nevertheless.
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Re: TAR 16 Timeline Thread
« Reply #264 on: April 12, 2010, 10:53:38 PM »
We don't really know exactly when teams were released from the Singapore pit stop or whether it was a 12 hours pit stop. My thinking is that their release from the Singapore pit stop could have been as early as the evening of Dec. 16 after a less than 12 hour pitstop to sometime Dec. 17 (to be determined by what I show below). The screencap posted earlier today by puddin on the ep. 10 thread clearly showed arrival at Shanghai's Pudong Airport (code PVG) at gate 10. That is in Terminal 1 and the only flights into PVG either nonstop from Shanghai or from Hong Kong (where teams could have connected from Singapore) are by China Eastern Airlines. They were:

Dec. 17 SIN PVG -
MU544 actual dep. SIN 0111 (8 minutes late), arrival unknown (but probably around 0602)
MU564 actual dep. SIN unknown (scheduled 1010), arrival PVG unknown (scheduled 1510)


Dec. 17 HKG PVG arriving Terminal 1 and showing only the China Eastern flight number although most had codeshares -
MU726 actual dep. HKG 0827 arrival PVG unknown (scheduled 1040)
MU502 actual dep. HKG 1225 (55 minutes late) arrival PVG unknown (but probably around 1440)
MU702 actual dep. HKG 1425 (1hour 45 min. late) arrival PVG unknown (but probably around 1640)
MU608 actual dep. HKG 1601 (26 minutes late) arrival PVG unknown (but probably around 1811)
MU508 actual dep. HKG 1825 (50 minutes late) arrival PVG unknown (but probably around 2100)
MU212 actual dep. HKG 2114 (1 hour 29 min. late) arrival PVG unknown but probably around 0034+1)

Dec. 16 SIN HKG - not feasible unless pit stop less than 8 hours and only maybe for Dan/Jordan, so ignore it
Dec. 17 SIN HKG - range of departures from 0653 to 1858, with arrivals from 1030 to 2240. Last one won't connect for Dec. 17 departure from HKG to PVG.



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Re: TAR 16 Timeline Thread
« Reply #265 on: April 14, 2010, 09:53:10 AM »
We don't really know exactly when teams were released from the Singapore pit stop or whether it was a 12 hours pit stop. My thinking is that their release from the Singapore pit stop could have been as early as the evening of Dec. 16 after a less than 12 hour pitstop to sometime Dec. 17 (to be determined by what I show below). The screencap posted earlier today by puddin on the ep. 10 thread clearly showed arrival at Shanghai's Pudong Airport (code PVG) at gate 10. That is in Terminal 1 and the only flights into PVG either nonstop from Shanghai or from Hong Kong (where teams could have connected from Singapore) are by China Eastern Airlines. They were:

Dec. 17 SIN PVG -
MU544 actual dep. SIN 0111 (8 minutes late), arrival unknown (but probably around 0602)
MU564 actual dep. SIN unknown (scheduled 1010), arrival PVG unknown (scheduled 1510)


Dec. 17 HKG PVG arriving Terminal 1 and showing only the China Eastern flight number although most had codeshares -
MU726 actual dep. HKG 0827 arrival PVG unknown (scheduled 1040)
MU502 actual dep. HKG 1225 (55 minutes late) arrival PVG unknown (but probably around 1440)
MU702 actual dep. HKG 1425 (1hour 45 min. late) arrival PVG unknown (but probably around 1640)
MU608 actual dep. HKG 1601 (26 minutes late) arrival PVG unknown (but probably around 1811)
MU508 actual dep. HKG 1825 (50 minutes late) arrival PVG unknown (but probably around 2100)
MU212 actual dep. HKG 2114 (1 hour 29 min. late) arrival PVG unknown but probably around 0034+1)

Dec. 16 SIN HKG - not feasible unless pit stop less than 8 hours and only maybe for Dan/Jordan, so ignore it
Dec. 17 SIN HKG - range of departures from 0653 to 1858, with arrivals from 1030 to 2240. Last one won't connect for Dec. 17 departure from HKG to PVG.

If we assume that what Claire said is correct then teams arrive around 6am on December 18, which basically leaves us with MU544.
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Re: TAR 16 Timeline Thread
« Reply #266 on: April 14, 2010, 10:04:38 AM »
We know the first day races on Dec 18 from Claire., I have an arrival time of 0630 if that helps, that could have been the anticipated time the racers exit the airport.
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Re: TAR 16 Timeline Thread
« Reply #267 on: April 16, 2010, 09:59:10 PM »
Reviewed Claire's actual post which says:
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all the 4 teams were in the same flight and they arrived Shanghai on 18 Dec., bt i cannot remember the flight no.. all i can remember is they flew from singapore and arrived here at 5:50am, bt it delayed a little bit.


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Airport:    (SIN) Changi Airport
 
Singapore, SG 
Scheduled:    12:55 AM - Fri Dec 18, 2009 
Actual:    1:11 AM - Fri Dec 18, 2009 
     Departed gate 16 min later than scheduled 
Gate:    A11 (Terminal 3) 

 Arrival Information:
Airport:    (PVG) Pu Dong Airport
 
Shanghai, CN 
Scheduled:    6:10 AM - Fri Dec 18, 2009 
Terminal:    1 

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Re: TAR 16 Timeline Thread
« Reply #268 on: April 20, 2010, 06:31:19 PM »
Oddly enough, I don't see a special thanks for the Penang episode??

But here is Episode 9:

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