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Survivor Challenge
« on: January 28, 2003, 09:24:07 AM »
http://www.survivor-challenge.com/main.cgi

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I've decided we should leave the name as is since there is no way for me to change it without deleting it and then having to create another one.  For the people who are still in there who don't post their picks I will delete them as soon as the season starts.  For those who have recently joined us here please feel free to join our group in the game.  

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Re: Survivor Challenge
« Reply #1 on: January 28, 2003, 05:47:00 PM »
I can't wait to go and check this one out tomorrow.  Sounds like fun.

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Re: Survivor Challenge
« Reply #2 on: January 29, 2003, 06:02:03 AM »
YEAH more team mates!!  Maybe Theresa can give MAMA a run for her money this season.  Last season mama was the high scorer in our group! ~ show off  :D
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Re: Survivor Challenge
« Reply #3 on: January 29, 2003, 01:26:08 PM »
I bet she will still be the top scorer, but I will send the link to Cindi she might have a chance against Mama.  She does pretty good at Yahoo Pickem.  But then again she pays more attention then I do.

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Re: Survivor Challenge
« Reply #4 on: January 29, 2003, 01:27:28 PM »
OK what am I doing wrong.  I am trying to join Survivor Fan Forum league and entering peanuts as the password and it keeps telling me the password is incorrect?

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Re: Survivor Challenge
« Reply #5 on: January 30, 2003, 07:13:51 AM »
I'll look into it.  
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Re: Survivor Challenge
« Reply #6 on: January 30, 2003, 07:24:07 AM »
:)I just deleted our old league Survivor Fan Forum and have re-created a new one.   Here's the Info:

http://survivor-challenge.com/

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Re: Survivor Challenge
« Reply #7 on: January 30, 2003, 08:54:54 AM »
OK that worked and I am a member of the group.  Now I just have to figure out how to play, LOL.

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Re: Survivor Challenge
« Reply #8 on: January 30, 2003, 09:38:13 AM »
After you login go to MAKE PICKS on the left side.  There, you will find the questions.  I think you can change your picks up until 5 minutes before the show.  7:55pmET
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Re: Survivor Challenge
« Reply #9 on: January 30, 2003, 09:39:29 AM »
Here's a sample:

Who will the person who is voted off vote for? (50 Points)  Choose                   Alex Butch Christy Daniel Dave Deena Heidi Janet Jeanne Jenna Joanna Matthew Rob Roger Ryan Shawna  
How many votes will the contestant who is voted off receive? (75 Points)  Choose                   2 3 4 5 6 7  
Who will NOT receive any votes during this episode? (75 Points)  Choose                   Alex Butch Christy Daniel Dave Deena Heidi Janet Jeanne Jenna Joanna Matthew Rob Roger Ryan Shawna  
Who will win the Reward Challenge? (100 Points)  Choose                   Jaburu Tambaqui There won't be a Reward Challenge  
Who will win the Immunity Challenge? (200 Points)  Choose                   Jaburu Tambaqui  


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Re: Survivor Challenge
« Reply #10 on: January 30, 2003, 09:54:53 AM »
This looks hard and I swear every other time I hit my picks it said that it was not accepting picks yet.  But it worked that time and I can see the questions.  Those are going to be hard questions to answer, LOL.  Make sure to invite some of the players on are yahoo board that are worse at this then me, LOL.  You have a whole 500 points to spread between players too that is cool, LOL.

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Re: Survivor Challenge
« Reply #11 on: January 30, 2003, 09:57:12 AM »
 I sent Cindi the link and she is joining too.  Theresa
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Re: Survivor Challenge
« Reply #12 on: January 30, 2003, 10:42:25 AM »
Cool 8)
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Re: Survivor Challenge
« Reply #13 on: February 02, 2003, 12:29:50 PM »
Mama, I just posted about your group on my Yahoo Pickem board.  I wanted the ones that still go there and read to know that Yahoo might not have the game and that they can go and play there if they are interested.  I did not post the group name and password there because I wanted to get your permission first.  If you would like to go and post it there and invite them to join over there feel free to do so.  I think that game is the closest to Yahoo pick em, just because they do give you 500 points to spread amongst the players.  I also invited them all here.  If Yahoo does say they are not going to have the game then I will email everyone that sent me their email addys and invite then to your group and this board if it is ok with everyone.

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Re: Survivor Challenge
« Reply #14 on: February 03, 2003, 06:43:43 AM »
I've been reading more posts about The Pickem game and it seems that Yahoo has told some people that it will be up and running soon.  We shall see.  Of course, we would love to have more people in our Survivor Challenge League but I think that the ones who seriously want to play with us and be on our team should definitely come and register for our board first.  Then they can read the post with the challenge info and come join us.  (We would love for Cindi to start posting here as well but she is special and does not have to register here just to be on our team if she doesn't want ;D)  If Yahoo doesn't have the game then they will probably wipe out all last seasons groups anyway.  Since the Challenge doesn't have a message board attached like Yahoo then maybe this can be our meeting place?  I know that you have several email addresses and it would be great if some of your friends will come here and use our message board.  If Pickem does happen then you can always create a group there as well and we can post about this board there as well.  Why don't you send them emails about this board anyway and maybe we will see some of them here.  If you do create the Pickem room then I would like to include the id and password here because I don't plan on making a separate pickem room for us.  If some of your friends don't want to join us here (especially if Yahoo does have the game) then maybe you can create a private league in the challenge for those in your pickem room (which I would like to join as well).  I don't know how many leagues you can join but I know that I am in a few now.  Whereas with pickem, you can only join in 5.  Last season, I created a pickem room for us and nobody really posted so I don't want to "waste" a spot.  You know what I mean?  That's why I was Bronx Chick as well and in like 8 different groups.  This season, I have to be realistic.  I can't be everywhere.
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Re: Survivor Challenge
« Reply #15 on: February 03, 2003, 07:51:38 AM »
Kendo emailed me today and I gave him more info on Survivor Challenge (I gave him your league name and password) and on this board.  I do not want to email the people that sent me their email addys until I know for sure what Yahoo is doing because I reasured all the people that sent me their addys that I would not write them until Yahoo started back up.  I want to keep my word to all the people that trusted me.  If they do not start back up soon then I will email them about this group and Challenge, so they will have an alternate place to play.  If Yahoo Pickem does start up then we will post the Challenge info and this group on the new board, I will be starting a group there and inviting all the old players back and I will post the info here so anyone here that wants to play can.  So far I still have not recieved any word from Yahoo.

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Re: Survivor Challenge
« Reply #16 on: February 03, 2003, 11:47:55 AM »
Just signed up for the new group!!!

For any of you that go in to join, you have to click on the drop down box to find Reality Fan Forum.  At least the list is alphabetized.
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Re: Survivor Challenge
« Reply #17 on: February 03, 2003, 06:50:18 PM »
They must be getting more groups because you didnt have to do that this am... I was trying to figure out what you were talking about, LOL.

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Re: Survivor Challenge
« Reply #18 on: February 04, 2003, 06:39:24 AM »
I emailed everyone that I have an email address for that was in my Yahoo group and told them about Reality fan forum and Survivor Challenge.  I sent them links and passwords, hopefully we will see some of them here and there.  

Rob are you going to join the Survivor challenge group?

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Re: Survivor Challenge
« Reply #19 on: February 04, 2003, 07:01:03 AM »
Yeah, I am going to join the groups soon. Thanks for the reminder. Now I have to remember to vote every week.
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Re: Survivor Challenge
« Reply #20 on: February 04, 2003, 07:52:11 AM »
I'll remind you ;)
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Re: Survivor Challenge
« Reply #21 on: February 04, 2003, 08:05:03 AM »
You'll have to remind me too, LOL.  I don't know if I can remember all the games I signed up for.

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Re: Survivor Challenge
« Reply #22 on: February 04, 2003, 08:24:02 AM »
No problem.  I'll put a reminder up 1-2 days before voting. ;)
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« Reply #23 on: February 04, 2003, 06:18:53 PM »
Thanks
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Re: Survivor Challenge
« Reply #24 on: February 08, 2003, 10:13:23 AM »
This looks like a great place! Like I said in another thread, I just made my picks--no clue about anybody yet, but looking forward to the Amazon. :) :)
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Re: Survivor Challenge
« Reply #25 on: February 08, 2003, 01:09:03 PM »
Welcome to the group.

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Re: Survivor Challenge
« Reply #26 on: February 09, 2003, 12:57:24 PM »
Wow, I just went to look at the game and almost everyone from my yahoo group joined over there.  Of course I still don't know who Spooky is, but since they said I invited them, I am assuming they were in my Yahoo Pickk em group, LOL.  

I have one question, how did Nutmegger manage to get 1000 points already?  Did she do something special?

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Re: Survivor Challenge
« Reply #27 on: February 10, 2003, 06:07:06 AM »
I need to go check out how many people joined the group on Survivor challenge.  I have not been in.  Glad we have alot of people that joined.  It is fun with alot of people
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Re: Survivor Challenge
« Reply #28 on: February 10, 2003, 11:35:57 AM »
Theresa, I was in your Yahoo group-Surviving Together. I came in second last time---don't know how I managed that!! :D
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« Reply #29 on: February 10, 2003, 04:58:31 PM »
oh my gosh, i am soooo embarrassed.  I can't believe I could not place the name.  I actually had to go and look at my yahoo board to see the name, sheeeeshhhhh I have a terrible memory.  I am so sorry for forgetting the name and you'd think seeing it at the top of the list so much, I would remember the name.  Again, I am sorry.

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« Reply #30 on: February 11, 2003, 08:28:19 AM »
Please don't apologize or be embarrassed!! I didn't think anything of it. Spooky(my cat) wasn't worried about it either!! :) :) :)
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Re: Survivor Challenge
« Reply #31 on: February 11, 2003, 09:16:20 AM »
Does Spooky happen to be a black cat?  I have an all black cat named Onyx.
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Re: Survivor Challenge
« Reply #32 on: February 11, 2003, 09:22:15 AM »
My friend has a black cat named BOO.  ;D
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« Reply #33 on: February 11, 2003, 11:49:33 AM »
No she's got long fur that is white and tipped in soft gray and she has blue eyes. She sort of looks like the ragdoll cat breed. I named her Spooky because she adopted us on Halloween.
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Re: Survivor Challenge
« Reply #34 on: February 11, 2003, 12:32:59 PM »
I wanted to change some of my picks, but cannot get to the game. All I get is Welcome Site/User Administrator. Is anyone else having this problem? Is it still www.survivor-challenge.com/?
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Re: Survivor Challenge
« Reply #35 on: February 11, 2003, 04:54:10 PM »
I just made my picks a few moments ago Spooky.  I tried to get a look at the leagues but it seems that part of it they are trying to update or something.  
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« Reply #36 on: February 11, 2003, 05:15:04 PM »
Are people changing their picks for a reason, are there new spoilers out that I haven't seen because I am working all day?  If there is something new I should read I hope some one will point me in the right direction.

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« Reply #37 on: February 11, 2003, 05:15:47 PM »
oops thats not what it was supposed to do...

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Re: Survivor Challenge
« Reply #38 on: February 11, 2003, 06:27:57 PM »
Theresa,

Your Sig, picks are too cool. LOL

p.s. I've made my picks for the survivor challenge, but for the last 4 days it hasn't let me in to join a league.  Now they claim to be updating.

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Re: Survivor Challenge
« Reply #39 on: February 12, 2003, 03:29:43 AM »
I haven't made my picks yet, but I was wondering if there is a way to figure out what messages I have read in this board and which ones are new? I would hate to have to remember where I am at all the time.

Also, the top of the RFF page tells me I have two messages and that 2 are new. Where are these messages?

I am so confused and know I have to figure out who the person who gets voted out voted for? Oh Brother!

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« Reply #40 on: February 12, 2003, 04:01:19 AM »
Ok, I may have answered my own questions!

Has anyone gotten their picks to go through on Survivor Challenge?

I made picks, but when I submit, I get an error message. I hate to lose all my work. I can't see any place where I can contact the people running the board.

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« Reply #41 on: February 12, 2003, 04:04:51 AM »
Gumlog I am not sure about who the person voted out voted for either.  I just assume maybe he will vote for the one that lost them the challenge.  I could be wrong, but that was my best guess.  

To get your messages just click on where it says you have messages.  Its kind of in blue instead of black.  It took me several days to figure that one out myself.  I did not know this group has sort of built in email, LOL.

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« Reply #42 on: February 12, 2003, 04:05:27 AM »
I am on a roll, I went back to my page and I had changed one of my picks on who would be voted off. I left the one I took points from blank. When I put a zero back in the space, my picks went through.

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« Reply #43 on: February 12, 2003, 04:10:05 AM »
Snickers I am glad you like the sigs, thanks for the comment.  

Gumlog I forgot the other question, but just in case you didn't, there is no way to tell what you already read, for the most part I just use the last 10 messages link and hope I see the last messages.  BUT I am here several times a day so that usually works for me, LOL.  It probably wouldn't for anyone that only comes once a day or less.  You do get a feel for the board after a bit though and notice what you have read before or what you want to keep checking on.

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Re: Survivor Challenge
« Reply #44 on: February 13, 2003, 07:53:38 AM »
okay I am pretty sure I made my picks, but now when I click on the link to survivor challenge I get page not found.  Does any one else get this page?
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Re: Survivor Challenge
« Reply #45 on: February 13, 2003, 09:17:11 AM »
I know I made my picks the other day.  I just went to the site and something strange is coming up?  Something about a security certificate?  The last thing that I want is a virus so have not proceeded.  Maybe they are just experiencing some difficulties.  
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Re: Survivor Challenge
« Reply #46 on: February 21, 2003, 11:10:09 PM »
This game is making me crazy.  Are we ever going to be able to get to the forums?  I thought this would be fun, but we can't even see what anyone in the league is doing.  

I have week 1   425 points   and rank 895
         week 2   750 points   and rank 761


Anyone else want to clue me in what they have or if they are able to get to the league let me know what everyone is doing?

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Re: Survivor Challenge
« Reply #47 on: February 22, 2003, 04:58:22 AM »
I can't even log in. I tried to re-register and it said "Spooky" was already taken. My son is also unable to log-in. So now what are we supposed to do?  >:( >:(
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« Reply #48 on: February 27, 2003, 11:15:49 PM »
Have you tried again Spooky?  They were experiencing some problems but it looks like they are cleared up.  What about getting them to re-send your password to you?  
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« Reply #49 on: February 28, 2003, 07:53:39 AM »
It was all working for me yesterday.

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« Reply #50 on: February 28, 2003, 03:58:59 PM »
We were finally able to log in again.
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« Reply #51 on: March 01, 2003, 07:46:47 PM »
Hi,

Now, this is a Saturday night, no problems logging into Survivor-Challenge..however Survivor Fan Forums league is nowhere to be seen..not in the drop down menu..not anywhere. Is it moi or was the league name changed mayhap. Somehow I dobt that as I read through the thread and saw nary a mention of it. Ah...this is driving me nuts this whole game thing..couldn't make first week picks or third becuase I waited until a few hours before game end...duhh I know. So tonight I figure I'll go and do everything now..and bah humbug..no Survivor Fan Forum league. Pleas say it aint so...any joe!

Thanks for any head's up where this problemo I;m having is concerned.

Shang

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« Reply #52 on: March 01, 2003, 08:00:18 PM »
Forgot to ask when they ask the question "Who will Not receive any votes during this episode," do they mean of the tribe who loses IC or anyone of both tribes? Sounds slow of me but hwhat can I say...I'm paranoid about trick questions...   :o

PS. Still can't find the league..I see Survivor Fanatics...but no that's not it  ;)

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« Reply #53 on: March 02, 2003, 11:38:18 AM »
Hi Shanghilil and Welcome!  Nice to see you posting. :D

I deleted the Survivor Fan Forum group and we are now Reality Fan Forum.

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I haven't been over there yet today to make my picks.  I will make them later this afternoon after I research a little.  I will definitely post my answers for you.  Hope to see you back here later.


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« Reply #54 on: March 02, 2003, 11:40:44 AM »
I need to go make my pics also and go see where i am on the board now, I figure I lost some places this week, i wa soooo confused.

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« Reply #55 on: March 04, 2003, 12:50:39 AM »
Hey Again,

Thanks for the update..so you, know I've joined Reality Fans as opiatesurvivor. Hope to do better with the picks and be able to get them in at a decent time (shooting for Wednesdays).

Any one know the answer to my question concerning survivor-challenge's question "Who will not receive any votes this episode?' Do they mean from the IC losers or anyone on both teams? At first read it seems like a straight forward questions..but then again..it doesn't..this is what happens when one has too much time on their hands  ;)

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« Reply #56 on: March 04, 2003, 09:47:39 AM »
Hey Again,

Any one know the answer to my question concerning survivor-challenge's question "Who will not receive any votes this episode?' Do they mean from the IC losers or anyone on both teams?

I believe they mean anyone on both teams.  I chose Tambaqui to win Immunity so since I don't think they will be going to Tribal Council I chose a man for that answer.  
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« Reply #57 on: March 04, 2003, 01:28:11 PM »
I do the same thing a Mama, If I think the men are going to TC I pick a woman if the women are going to TC I pick a man.

Also for those of you that have not made picks,  I am going to post some tidbits that I have seen on the spoiler boards that may help you make some decisions.  Nothing big, some speculation.

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« Reply #58 on: March 05, 2003, 01:48:01 PM »
Thanks Schatz for the reply...I've been doing just that..then it struck me "What if that's not what they mean?" ln any case it' being interpreted as what I originally thought it was..so all that for nada..ah well better safe than pointless ;)

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« Reply #59 on: March 06, 2003, 05:45:10 PM »
Hi, CindiLou here. Just got around to joining this site although I am a member of the Amazon Challenge game. I missed having a message board at that site so I came here. Hope to talk to you all soon!

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« Reply #60 on: March 06, 2003, 09:57:20 PM »
Welcome CindiLou ;D  Hope you like our home away from home!  Some of us have known each other for several Survivor seasons but this board is relatively new.   Since Yahoo Pickem is gone we've had more friends flocking here.  Feel free to join us at the challenge.  Are you playing My Piranha?  We have a team over there as well.   Nice to have you aboard ;D
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