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TAR15 Flights and Transportation Information
« on: July 18, 2009, 01:33:22 PM »

Non-stop flights to London.
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AR15 Flights and Transportation Information
« Reply #1 on: July 24, 2009, 10:53:14 AM »
Here's a thread for the new season, the same as last season's but TIMELINES will be separate.

I am going to start it off with the trans-Pacific flights departing LAX Saturday afternoon for arrival Tokyo Sunday afternoon:

AA169 1245 1600 LAX NRT
UA891 1313 1630 LAX NRT

There is likely to be another set of flights somewhere on Monday or Tuesday but we don't know where to yet.

From that place the next set of flights is to HoChiMinh City. I have flight information from Osaka, Okinawa and Taipei but it wwe need to know thte starting point before this can be clarified.

On Thursday or Friday teams apparently flew from HoChiMinh City to Phnom Penh. Here are the potential flights:

VN 670 0730 0820
VN 817 1225 1315
VN 840 1415 1455
VN 819 1800 1850
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Re: AR15 Flights and Transportation Information
« Reply #2 on: July 24, 2009, 12:18:14 PM »
We don't know that they flew yet...
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Re: AR15 Flights and Transportation Information
« Reply #3 on: July 24, 2009, 12:50:51 PM »
can we add speculation to the title please? tyia  :jam:

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Re: AR15 Flights and Transportation Information
« Reply #4 on: July 24, 2009, 03:06:44 PM »
No thanks, Kogs and Peach. Please read what I wrote:

"teams apparently flew from HoChiMinh City to Phnom Penh". Now that's pretty clear on the tentative (some might say speculative) nature of it.

This indicates the not-certain nature of this information. Should conflicting information be validated (such as they didn't go to Phnom Penh) then adjustments will be made retroactively.


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Re: AR15 Flights and Transportation Information *speculation
« Reply #5 on: July 24, 2009, 08:21:52 PM »
Based on the move by presumably one of our moderators to alter my title for this thread against my wishes, they can post about AR15 transportation information here.

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Re: AR15 Flights and Transportation Information *speculation
« Reply #6 on: July 24, 2009, 08:23:59 PM »
What if in the spirit of cost-cutting, they have two legs in Tokyo (or surrounding areas)? The city is surely large enough to accommodate two legs, particularly if they went to lesser known destinations.

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Re: AR15 Flights and Transportation Information *speculation
« Reply #7 on: July 24, 2009, 08:45:12 PM »
Here is the LA to Tokyo flight info (just duplicate info, nothing new here)
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Re: AR15 Flights and Transportation Information
« Reply #8 on: July 24, 2009, 08:48:55 PM »
No thanks, Kogs and Peach. Please read what I wrote:

"teams apparently flew from HoChiMinh City to Phnom Penh". Now that's pretty clear on the tentative (some might say speculative) nature of it.

This indicates the not-certain nature of this information. Should conflicting information be validated (such as they didn't go to Phnom Penh) then adjustments will be made retroactively.

It's speculative until there are photographic evidence. A group of 100 people (who has nothing better to do) can come together and make a joke by posting online about how they say Britney and Justin Timberlake racing, which after so many sightings.. will definitely lead to people believing they are racing.. if the 2 of them are part of the joke themselves and hide their status for as long as the race goes.
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Re: AR15 Flights and Transportation Information
« Reply #9 on: July 26, 2009, 07:11:26 AM »
Well, since there isn't any time for an extra leg between yesterday's Phnom Penh leg (25 Jun) and today's sighting (26 Jun), I'm thinking our 2 teams in Suvarnabhumi are on:
PG 934 from Phnom Penh to Bangkok, 1530-1640

Leading to a sighting at 5pm, Bangkok time. Nothing else from Phnom Penh fits.

No way in hell they'd finish at 2-3am, so we've got a somewhat extended Pit Stop in Cambodia. Looks like Phil bailed Cambodia yesterday afternoon/evening, filming the next leg's stand-ups today. Teams get in late, and start racing for real tomorrow. Does that narrow our range?
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Re: TAR15 Flights and Transportation Information
« Reply #10 on: July 26, 2009, 07:02:20 PM »
Personally, I want to know what flies OUT of Bangok. Especially south. I'm thinking it is time for our "We'll always have India" leg(s).
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Re: TAR15 Flights and Transportation Information
« Reply #11 on: July 26, 2009, 07:22:56 PM »
Okay, in that vein, I have to India on 7/26:

DEL Delhi CX 751  Cathay Pacific Airways 5:25 PM 

DEL Delhi TG 315  Thai Airways International 5:45 PM  6:08 PM (ACTUAL DEP)

DEL Delhi 9W 63  Jet Airways (India) 6:25 PM  6:33 PM   Landed
  On-time   
DEL Delhi SN 8902^  Brussels Airlines 6:25 PM  6:33 PM

BOM Mumbai TG 317  Thai Airways International 6:45 PM  6:43 PM   Landed
  On-time  333   
BOM Mumbai AI 6317^  Air India 6:45 PM  6:43 PM   Landed 

LHE Lahore TG 345  Thai Airways International 7:50 PM  7:57 PM   Landed
  On-time

CMB Colombo UL 889    Sri Lankan Airlines 7:50 PM

BLR Bangalore TG 325  Thai Airways International 9:10 PM  9:02 PM   Landed
  On-time  333   
BLR Bangalore AI 6325^  Air India 9:10 PM  9:02 PM   Landed
  On-time

MAA Chennai TG 337  Thai Airways International 9:25 PM  9:23 PM   En Route
  On-time  AB6   
MAA Chennai AI 6521^  Air India 9:25 PM  9:23 PM   En Route
  On-time 

CMB Colombo TG 307  Thai Airways International 10:15 PM  10:23 PM   Landed
  On-time 

CMB Colombo CX 703  Cathay Pacific Airways 10:30 PM  10:27 PM   En Route
  On-time

CCU Kolkata TG 313  Thai Airways International 11:45 PM  11:45 PM   Landed
  On-time  AB6   
CCU Kolkata AI 6313^  Air India 11:45 PM  11:45 PM   Landed
  On-time


Also seeing a good number of flights to Dubai, and Bahrain.
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Re: TAR15 Flights and Transportation Information
« Reply #12 on: July 26, 2009, 07:29:16 PM »
Heee...incoming spoilers for Dubai:

so flights:

DXB Dubai TG 517  Thai Airways International 6:00 PM  6:18 PM   Landed
  On-time  330   
DXB Dubai EK 6201^  Emirates 6:00 PM  6:18 PM   Landed
  On-time  330   
DXB Dubai NH 5994^  ANA 6:00 PM  6:18 PM   Landed
  On-time

DXB Dubai TG 517  Thai Airways International 6:00 PM  6:18 PM   Landed
  On-time  330   
DXB Dubai EK 6201^  Emirates 6:00 PM  6:18 PM   Landed
  On-time  330   
DXB Dubai NH 5994^  ANA 6:00 PM  6:18 PM   Landed
  On-time 

DXB Dubai EK 373  Emirates 9:25 PM  9:27 PM  T-2  Landed 
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Re: TAR15 Flights and Transportation Information
« Reply #13 on: July 26, 2009, 07:33:04 PM »
For example, flight TG517 took 6 hrs 02 min and arr  Local Time:   4:30 AM - Mon Jul 27, 2009
Ooops, wrong time recorded.
Correct arrival:

Arrival Status Details 
 
Airport:    (DXB) Dubai Airport
 
City:    Dubai, AE 
Scheduled:    9:30 PM - Sun Jul 26, 2009 
Actual:    9:20 PM - Sun Jul 26, 2009 
 
edited to correct wrong arr time. :res:
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Re: TAR15 Flights and Transportation Information
« Reply #14 on: July 26, 2009, 07:44:13 PM »
For example, flight TG517 took 6 hrs 02 min and arr  Local Time:   4:30 AM - Mon Jul 27, 2009

I think we need to look at Sunday Jul 26 arrivals, no?

BKK Bangkok EK 373  Emirates    12:30 AM 12:27 AM      T-3 Landed On-time 388    
BKK Bangkok EK 385  Emirates     4:30 AM  4:30 AM ~    T-3    Unknown 773    
BKK Bangkok EK 419  Emirates     5:35 AM  5:35 AM ~    T-3    Unknown 77W    
BKK Bangkok TG 9991 Thai Airways 9:00 AM                       Unknown 74F    
BKK Bangkok TG 517  Thai Airways 9:30 PM  9:20 PM T-1 Landed On-time    330
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Re: TAR15 Flights and Transportation Information
« Reply #15 on: July 26, 2009, 08:23:14 PM »
Hmmm.. That could be right. The Bangkok twitter about "saw two teams running around Bangkok airport" was sent at ~6AM EST 7/26, which equals Bangkok time of 5PM. Now we don't know exactly what time the tweeter saw them, but I was assuming close to that time. But he must have seen them much earlier?  In order for them to be there in Dubai in the evening...

Scratch mine then.


Current time in Dubai is Monday 7/27 5:23 AM

edited to reflect corrected info posted below.

« Last Edit: July 27, 2009, 09:44:12 AM by georgiapeach »
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Re: TAR15 Flights and Transportation Information
« Reply #16 on: July 27, 2009, 09:41:13 AM »
For example, flight TG517 took 6 hrs 02 min and arr  Local Time:   4:30 AM - Mon Jul 27, 2009

This is an error, I definitely have a learning curve going on here. :lol:

The flight actually arrived at

Arrival Status Details 
 
Airport:    (DXB) Dubai Airport
 
City:    Dubai, AE 
Scheduled:    9:30 PM - Sun Jul 26, 2009 
Actual:    9:20 PM - Sun Jul 26, 2009  << This is Dubai time, which is 3 hours earlier than Bangkok time.
 
So since we now know from spoilers that they were seen in Dubai looking for a clue ~1030PM, this flight makes perfect sense, both from a dep from Phnom Penh point of view time and an arr time in Dubai.
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Re: TAR15 Flights and Transportation Information
« Reply #17 on: July 27, 2009, 07:44:54 PM »
I'm thinking our guys sighted were in the lead. Nothing leaving Phnom Penh after noon arrives earlier. Here are some other flights I found...

PG 934 to Bangkok, 1530-1640; TG 517 to Dubai, 1800-2130
FD 3617 to Bangkok, 1630-1740; EK 373 to Dubai, 2125-0030
MI 607 to Singapore, 1810-2110; SQ 492 to Dubai, 2240-0155
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Re: TAR15 Flights and Transportation Information
« Reply #18 on: July 27, 2009, 07:55:59 PM »
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Re: TAR15 Flights and Transportation Information
« Reply #19 on: July 28, 2009, 06:35:35 AM »
Per the guy that was on the flight with the racers into Dubai:  They were on Thai Airways flight 517 (although I'm waiting for him to confirm the date!)

Good job on figuring out the flights everyone...now we have some confirmation about some of the teams being on that plane.

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Re: TAR15 Flights and Transportation Information
« Reply #20 on: July 31, 2009, 11:23:06 AM »
Probably a billion ways to get from Dubai to Amsterdam. There are no direct flights for our racers, so how fast they get to the airport will determine when they arrive in Amsterdam. The actual racing begins the next day though (they arrive in the late afternoon), so there's probably a bunching or a staggered start...

Here are a couple of possibilities for the morning of 29 Jul:
EK 59 (0900-1345), then WA 1782 (1515-1625) via Hamburg
CX 63 (0905-1220), then CL 4698 (1515-1645) via Munich
MH 6142 (1000-1430), then KL 1768 (1545-1700) via Frankfurt
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Re: TAR15 Flights and Transportation Information
« Reply #21 on: July 31, 2009, 07:23:50 PM »
Apskip's not free to post at the moment, so I'm conveying this message:

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I have these flights from Dubai to connecting cities which then have flights to Amsterdam landing late afternoon on July 29:

Vienna 0955
Hamburg 0900
Birmingham 0805
Zurich 0840
Rome 0925
Manchester 0755
Munich 0835

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Re: TAR15 Flights and Transportation Information
« Reply #22 on: August 02, 2009, 08:16:03 PM »
More from apskip:

With a single connection starting from Talinn, AR15 could go to any major city in Europe or Africa.

Here are the 24 flights (not counting to Stockholm or to Gothernburg since AR15 was previously in Sweden or to Vilnius since AR12 was there) in alphabetical order of the destination city which could be taken on Tuesday Aug. 4 out of Talinn:

Brussels        OV177 1815 1955
Copenhagen OV141 0640 0720
Copenhagen OV143 1255 1335
Copenhagen OV145 1810 1845
Dublin            OV201 2230 2350
Frankfurt       LH3179 1840 2010
Helsinki         AY3940 0615 0650
Helsinki         AY3922 0820 1850 
Helsinki         AY3926 1445 1520
Helsinki         AY3930 1755 1830
Helsinki         AY3932 2130 2205
London Gatwick OV101 1615 1715
Moscow         OV301  1325 1605
Oslo              OV137  1425 1505
Oslo              DY1067 2215 2255
Paris             OV171   0800 1010
Prague          OK879  1515 1625
Riga              BT364   0520 0615
Riga              BT312   1010 1105
Riga              BT366   0850 0845
Riga              BT312   1010 1105
Riga              BT314   1140 1235
Riga              BT316   1610 1705
Riga              BT362   2115 2210

Copenhagen, Frankfurt, Helsinki, Paris and Prague are all major airports with connections to other places in Europe as well as to Africa.

My personal hunch is that Copehagen will be visited for the first time in the leg following Talinn. Depending on whether there was a second leg in Dubai, that next leg will be either 9 or 10.

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Re: TAR15 Flights and Transportation Information
« Reply #23 on: August 02, 2009, 08:43:36 PM »
More:

We should not forget that teams had to get from Amsterdam to Stockholm in order to presumably do a leg and then get on the ferry Stockholm to Talinn.

Here are the possiblities for flights AMS to ARN on Friday July 31:

KL1107 0655 0855
KL1109 0925 1125
KL1113 1210 1410
KL1115 1440 1640
SK1556 1800 1955
KL1121 2110 2310
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Re: TAR15 Flights and Transportation Information
« Reply #24 on: August 16, 2009, 06:51:26 PM »
I have some info here thanks ForzaRenati in response to primefun's first Tallinn video

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I did exactly spot this team at the Tan Son Nhat International Airport for two weeks ago while I was waiting for my flight to Japan

I asked the date and team ..

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Re: The Amazing Race Re: The Amazing Race I saw them on July 25th evening at the airport. I do not remember the team, but there was a lady and a man. It looked like they were trying to find tickets to the next destination, they did even borrow a computer from a check-in disk for International flights.


eta:I thought the info might help with the flights to Dubai and date etc

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Re: TAR15 Flights and Transportation Information
« Reply #25 on: September 03, 2009, 09:53:07 PM »
Going with Vegassinner's arrival time window of between 1pm and 1:45pm I have a reasonable scenario from Prague

British Airways BA 857 leaving PRG at 6:40 pm and arriving LHR at 7:50 pm
or Czech Airlines OK 652 leaving PRG at 6:45 pm and arriving LHR at 8:05 pm
then
UA 929 leaving LHR at 7:45 am and arriving at Chicago ORD at 10:28 am
or AA 99  leaving LHR at 7:55 am and arriving at Chicago ORD at 10:20 am (I guess a 777 is faster than a 763)
then
UA 551 leaving ORD at 11:53 am and arriving LAS at 1:39 pm

I'm thinking that's the earliest possible combination arriving from Europe that day. Anything earlier will get teams in on the night of the 6th. Here's one that takes riskier connections, but ends up on the same final flight from Chicago into Las Vegas:

Prague to Frankfurt, LH 3267: 0600-0710
Frankfurt to Chicago, UA 945: 0825-1033
Chicago to Las Vegas, UA 551: 1153-1339
Both Lufthansa and United are Star Allance members.

I'm thinking this is the flight TPTB was going for. Any release time between the afternoon of the 6th and the morning of the next day would result in the same flight - basically an overnight bunch. Perfect set-up for the final leg.

Teams released on the evening of the 6th will find only one good flight (the Chicago one), and the arrival timing between 1pm and 1.45pm checks out.
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Re: TAR15 Flights and Transportation Information
« Reply #26 on: September 03, 2009, 11:02:56 PM »
it would explain why the final 3 teams were seen so close together

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Re: TAR15 Flights and Transportation Information
« Reply #27 on: September 04, 2009, 02:51:37 AM »
Going with Vegassinner's arrival time window of between 1pm and 1:45pm I have a reasonable scenario from Prague

British Airways BA 857 leaving PRG at 6:40 pm and arriving LHR at 7:50 pm
or Czech Airlines OK 652 leaving PRG at 6:45 pm and arriving LHR at 8:05 pm
then
UA 929 leaving LHR at 7:45 am and arriving at Chicago ORD at 10:28 am
or AA 99  leaving LHR at 7:55 am and arriving at Chicago ORD at 10:20 am (I guess a 777 is faster than a 763)
then
UA 551 leaving ORD at 11:53 am and arriving LAS at 1:39 pm

I'm thinking that's the earliest possible combination arriving from Europe that day. Anything earlier will get teams in on the night of the 6th. Here's one that takes riskier connections, but ends up on the same final flight from Chicago into Las Vegas:

Prague to Frankfurt, LH 3267: 0600-0710
Frankfurt to Chicago, UA 945: 0825-1033
Chicago to Las Vegas, UA 551: 1153-1339
Both Lufthansa and United are Star Allance members.

I'm thinking this is the flight TPTB was going for. Any release time between the afternoon of the 6th and the morning of the next day would result in the same flight - basically an overnight bunch. Perfect set-up for the final leg.

Teams released on the evening of the 6th will find only one good flight (the Chicago one), and the arrival timing between 1pm and 1.45pm checks out.


And the decoy teams could make the earlier flights you mentioned, got to Las Vegas the night before and be rested to do a lot of work the next day. The decoys can leave Prague before a pit stop occurs and rest in Vegas.
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Re: TAR15 Flights and Transportation Information
« Reply #28 on: September 04, 2009, 06:40:02 AM »
Teams must be released after sunset of the 6th in Prague, so that they will miss this:

LH 3265 to Frankfurt, 1935-2045
LH 8188 to Chicago, 0215-0425
US 537 to Las Vegas, 0620-0805

... which gets them into Las Vegas too early. Decoys could be on this, as well as other earlier flights (eg Atlanta). Given that the Prague leg likely ends on the afternoon of the 5th, they should have plenty of time to get to Vegas first.

Does anyone know of any other overnight trans-Atlantic flights? These are rare, both departing and arriving in the middle of the night (eg this 0215-0425 Frankfurt-Chicago flight). That's the only way teams can get to Vegas before 1.39pm on the 7th. Might have to check Spain/Portugal-Latin America flights, but I think the rest of Europe is covered. Will edit if I find more info...
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Re: TAR15 Flights and Transportation Information
« Reply #29 on: September 04, 2009, 09:03:39 AM »
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Decoys could be on this, as well as other earlier flights (eg Atlanta).

You can bet all the fruit in Georgia that no teams went through Atlanta on August 6th  :lol:
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Re: TAR15 Flights and Transportation Information
« Reply #30 on: September 04, 2009, 11:17:13 AM »
Teams must be released after sunset of the 6th in Prague, so that they will miss this:

LH 3265 to Frankfurt, 1935-2045
LH 8188 to Chicago, 0215-0425
US 537 to Las Vegas, 0620-0805

... which gets them into Las Vegas too early. Decoys could be on this, as well as other earlier flights (eg Atlanta). Given that the Prague leg likely ends on the afternoon of the 5th, they should have plenty of time to get to Vegas first.

Does anyone know of any other overnight trans-Atlantic flights? These are rare, both departing and arriving in the middle of the night (eg this 0215-0425 Frankfurt-Chicago flight). That's the only way teams can get to Vegas before 1.39pm on the 7th. Might have to check Spain/Portugal-Latin America flights, but I think the rest of Europe is covered. Will edit if I find more info...



I wouldn't put too much stock in anyone from TAR getting on Lufthansa flight LH 8188 from Frankfurt to Chicago:   :waves:
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Re: TAR15 Flights and Transportation Information
« Reply #31 on: September 04, 2009, 11:41:06 AM »

I'm thinking that's the earliest possible combination arriving from Europe that day. Anything earlier will get teams in on the night of the 6th. Here's one that takes riskier connections, but ends up on the same final flight from Chicago into Las Vegas:

Prague to Frankfurt, LH 3267: 0600-0710
Frankfurt to Chicago, UA 945: 0825-1033
Chicago to Las Vegas, UA 551: 1153-1339
Both Lufthansa and United are Star Allance members.

I'm thinking this is the flight TPTB was going for. Any release time between the afternoon of the 6th and the morning of the next day would result in the same flight - basically an overnight bunch. Perfect set-up for the final leg.

Teams released on the evening of the 6th will find only one good flight (the Chicago one), and the arrival timing between 1pm and 1.45pm checks out.

I like your PRA to FRA  to ORD to LAS route better than my PRA to LHR to ORD to LAS since it points to a 36 hour pit stop instead of a 24 hour one. 

24-hour pit stops don't go over very well!
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Re: TAR15 Flights and Transportation Information
« Reply #32 on: September 04, 2009, 09:31:51 PM »
I wouldn't put too much stock in anyone from TAR getting on Lufthansa flight LH 8188 from Frankfurt to Chicago

Ack, cargo flight! :groan:

Here's one late-night departure that should work, I think it's the last one out of Prague before teams get stuck on the Chicago flight arriving at 1.39pm:

OK 702 to Madrid, 2005-2255
IB 6401 to Mexico City, 0120-0605
MX 990 to Las Vegas, 0710-0900

Three different airlines, three different alliances. Teams might have a harder time finding this connection. But if TPTB is aware of this they'd make sure teams leave the Pit Stop no earlier than 7pm on the 6th. This gives them an 8 hour opportunity to bunch all remaining teams.
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Re: TAR15 Flights and Transportation Information
« Reply #33 on: September 04, 2009, 10:02:16 PM »
Textbook TAR   :tup:

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Re: TAR15 Flights and Transportation Information
« Reply #34 on: September 09, 2009, 11:40:01 PM »
It's pretty easy getting to Amsterdam from Dubai, mostly requiring only one connection.

EK 45/WA 1768 through Frankfurt, 0825-1700 (would probably arrive before HoO)
EK 127/WA 1846 through Vienna, 0955-1705 (would probably arrive before HoO)
BR 679/KL 1022 through London Heathrow, 1115-1935
CX 65/LH 4688 through Frankfurt, 1455-2210

Then the European airports mostly close down, giving our teams plenty of time to chill at Dubai airport before the direct flight:
KL 428 straight to Amsterdam, 0005-0520

Flights for Steffi from Dubai to Australia all leave before 11am, so the hotel sighting would have to be before 9am. Gives teams no reason not to catch at least the 2.55pm flight, which arrives in Amsterdam that evening. There will be an overnight bunching at Amsterdam.
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