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This is for our grand FINALE Discussion of Episode 11!

More than ever this week, please keep ALL conversation about who wins in this thread ONLY until Sunday 10AM Singapore time= Sat 10PM  for those of us in the US (East Coast). To avoid spoiling someone who might not want to know, please put any post race interviews/pictures, etc here until then, and I'll move them to the racer's own threads later.

Those who will have not seen the show yet will need to ENTER AT YOUR OWN RISK! There will be spoilers about who won, and who didn't,  for sure, and other details about the leg. 

This week's THANK YOU's go first to the RACERS for all the joy and entertainment they have brought us. You made us laugh, you made us cry, you made us scream at our TV's-- :thankyou: for making this a season to remember!
We would love for you to stop by once you can and say hi!

And next to ALL of the RFF team who contributed here with your time, your energy, your recaps, your spoilers, your speculations. It was thanks to you all that we had the fun of speculating on the outcomes and tracking down the locations. You did a FABULOUS job and I am so thankful for each and every one of you! Please continue to join us as we work on the new TAR 14 race as well!!  :yourock:


And thanks also to those who have asked not to be acknowledged publicly. Please know that your info and tips were treasured. :hugs:

And to those who have found their way here as readers and lurkers--we are glad you came and hope you will join in the fun! :waves:

So many thanks to you all for making this a fun season--I loved every second and hope you all did too! :ty

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Re: TARA 3 - Finale Discussion Thread ****HOT spoilers--beware!****
« Reply #1 on: November 20, 2008, 04:09:07 AM »
Preview thanks to puddin and banzai:



AXN newsletter--is this a clue? ???



No word from Michael McKay this week? 

This is a week where the SCREENCAPS tell their own story...
http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,15379.msg360339.html#msg360339

We know that Sam and Vince have a 4 hour penalty to be taken at the start of the episode. Will there be an hours of Op as an equalizer?

Apskip has done a great possible Timeframe for us HERE:

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Assume a 12 hour pitstop, that releases teams to start ep. 11, the Finale, at:
Ida/Tania 250am
Geoff/Tisha 300am
Sam/Vince 730am

However, there is an walk camels in the desert task that will take an unknown amount of time to get to and do it. Assume that the total of those is 1 hour.

With a minimum 2.5 hour drive back to the Muscat Airport, the earliest teams can arrive is:
Ida/Tania 620am
Geoff/Tisha 630am
Sam/Vince 1100am

I'm going to say that they may have to be a bit later to the airport as the desert task seems to be occuring in full sunlight...not in early AM light,

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They all should also be able to catch EK6479 MCT DXB 1335 1440 (there are also equivalent earlier flights) connecting with  TG522 DXB BKK 1755 0505+1. It is now Sunday June 8. The flights they can catch are from Bangkok on Sunday are different than the ones for Saturday:

Koh Chang/Trat 09:00 10:05 BKK TDX PG301
Koh Samui PG103 0600 0705 or TG285 0745 0850 or PG123 0815 0920
Phuket TG203 0730 0850 or TG201 0750 0910 or PG271 0810 0930



Clearly teams drive themselves to the desert and have some difficulties as we see both Tania and Geoff attempting to push their stuck vehicles:


The heat will be brutal, esp for S/V if they are 4 hours later than the others:


Roadblock?
Lead a camel across the desert...

If Sam's camel bolts--he may lose significant time chasing it down:


Where do they go next?

We have several good indications that this is indeed Thailand:
Neobie and snapon confirmed the boats:
That long-tail boat with the cloth tied to the end... Has got to be southern Thailand?! (The cloth's to appease the sea spirits...)





But where exactly?

My guess after trying to match up the backgrounds would be Koh Samui. MAP: http://www.samui-maps.com/

Both the "palm fringed beaches" and the surrounding silhouettes seem to match well.

I think it is also likely that the actual beaches may be either Bophut or Mae Nam, based on appearances. (thumbnails--click-click)







We also know that some of the Singha beer moments of banter that banzai has shared with us were filmed at the Santiburi resort, which is also reported to be the "elimination Station"/Sequesterville for the racers. This resort is located on Mae Nam beach, making it the top contender in my mind.

What will they do?

We see Tania/Ida looking unstressed in this Thai boat:


We believe there is another "roadblock"/task done by Vince involving swimmimg and memory:

Remember this from kaad back in early October??  (I think cats should read chickens, :lol3:)

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During the race, some of the tasks need to pick one team member to do it alone (which mean Roadblock), they can decide which one to do it based on what the clue had said. Although they have different strength , but it's actually hard to make the decision. "Once, the clue said that it needs to swim, so we chose Vince, but it turned out the task also involved mental part;And another time, the clue said something about cat, I love cat, so i got to do that, but i found out ...the task was requesting to move a bunch of cats.(it said "more than ten", i guess it's about 30-80)",Sam said.

http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,15379.msg355170.html#msg355170

So my guess is that the Roadblock will be right before the Finale Mat... when we see Vince in his bathing suit:

And does that sound like a regret--as in if we had known it was mental we should have chosen Sam? ???

It appears that Sam and Vince both are carrying flippers here:


so could they have to dive to find a clue first?

And then we see teams kayaking as well--where exactly does this come in?


One of my favorite tasks was the spot the right flag on the beach in TAR 5 --perhaps they will have to do a task requiring memory of where they went in what order? We truly can only guess.

And then who wins?

I have to say that the editing seems to point to G/T.... but could this be a diversion?
At some point in the preview Geoff clearly thinks they are TEAM 1:


They haven't always been the best team in terms of Geoff's behavior both to his partner, other teams, and locals, but they have played a strong and strategic game.

Both Ida/Tania have been an absolute joy and delight to watch every step of the way, and they should be so proud of what they accomplished.

And the same goes for Sam and Vince, who played well, got along well, and remain a team to watch.  I have always wondered about the change in their team picture to a friendlier one,

Hmmmm...

someone has a new picture!  Friendlier, more approachable...   ???



 as well as the fact that they have been allowed to give us those wonderful weekly blogs...so I am not willing to rule them out yet either. The underdog edit can sometimes be a clue as well.

So for me-- I LOVE not knowing who wins right now, and will be looking forward to finally seeing the ep later on!

In the meantime, I'll be here at 8 for any available updates! :hearts:
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Re: TARA 3 - Finale Discussion Thread ****HOT spoilers--beware!****
« Reply #2 on: November 20, 2008, 06:34:35 AM »
If anyone can join in with live updates and/or photos--please do!!

I'll do my best with the remote updates as well...
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« Reply #3 on: November 20, 2008, 06:55:18 AM »
morning peach ... nite here ...

I'll try my best ...


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« Reply #4 on: November 20, 2008, 06:58:39 AM »
Oh Bless You CABIO!! :hearts:

I was afraid of no live updates and we are all on pins and needles here!
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« Reply #5 on: November 20, 2008, 07:07:34 AM »
Apparently a detailed recap...
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« Reply #6 on: November 20, 2008, 07:11:28 AM »
T&G are stuck in the sand
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« Reply #7 on: November 20, 2008, 07:14:14 AM »
Teams must transport a camel to get a clue

Ida/Tania stop to buy a sandwich?? :duno:

But they get ahead of G/T!!
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« Reply #8 on: November 20, 2008, 07:21:55 AM »
Roadblock? Find a key t the cluebox under the sand--Tania doing it

S/V catching up?

G/T finish

I/T were leading--now their car is stuck

(take these with a grain of salt--I am not getting a clear order of events here, :lol:)
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« Reply #9 on: November 20, 2008, 07:24:02 AM »
okay!

Tania done--clue to go to Phuket!

G/T doing the RB

S/V now transporting the camels
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« Reply #10 on: November 20, 2008, 07:26:49 AM »
s/v finished the camel task...

I/T are stuck again..and again...

Tish is struggling to find the key
 
s/v are on their way to do the key task
 
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« Reply #11 on: November 20, 2008, 07:27:34 AM »
Oman

InT : 542 am ... go to Muscat Governance Ofis
Gnt : 554 am ... USD 98

InT - reached 1st - Our of operation 8am

Gate opened

Route Info - go to Said Camel Farm

SnV ; 1004 am


InT - stopped for breakfast

GnT lost ...

Desert road - camel every where

GnT stuck
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« Reply #12 on: November 20, 2008, 07:30:37 AM »
I/T something with rocks?/

Tish has the key--already at the airport

Sam doing the RB/key

Yippee for Cabio! :jumpy:  We may be out of synch but keep it coming!  :yess:
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« Reply #13 on: November 20, 2008, 07:34:21 AM »
anybody know what happened to ida and tania's flight? why arent they on the same flight with the other two teams.
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« Reply #14 on: November 20, 2008, 07:35:36 AM »
sam struggling to find the key

i&t and g&t found themselves together in the airport

Sam done with the RB

S/V catch up?/ at the airport--do I/T miss the flight?/

s&v caught up in the airport...

s&v and g&t are together in the plane

I/T cant find a flight to muscat dubai singapore

g/T, s/V are on the same plane to thailand via dubai

t/I are still in the airport

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« Reply #15 on: November 20, 2008, 07:36:26 AM »
peach faster than me...


InT - not managed to get conneting flight from Dubai

SnV & GnT - Muscat - Dubai - Bangkok
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« Reply #16 on: November 20, 2008, 07:37:51 AM »
g/t got the taxi, s/v waiting for cab

G/T taxi gets lost!!

I/T flying Singapore>>Phuket
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« Reply #17 on: November 20, 2008, 07:42:08 AM »
S/V in the lead after G/T taxi got lost

Task--get a clue out of some ice?

S/V have it!!

G/T doing the task

I/T arrive Phuket and are on the way
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« Reply #18 on: November 20, 2008, 07:46:09 AM »
peach faster than me...


InT - not managed to get conneting flight from Dubai

SnV & GnT - Muscat - Dubai - Bangkok

why didn't I&T got in the same flight as the other teams? did they take an earlier flight?
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« Reply #19 on: November 20, 2008, 07:47:13 AM »
S/V cab needs gas!!

On the way to find the traditional Thai boats for the Detour

Detour: Pull or plunge

G/T doing pull--"talking crap"

S/V doing plunge (dive for a clam)>>switch to pull

G/T fall into the sea
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« Reply #20 on: November 20, 2008, 07:51:07 AM »
G/T choose pull, (Tisha doesn't swim well)

Their boat capsized

S/V find the clam shell

I/T just doing the ice
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« Reply #21 on: November 20, 2008, 07:53:45 AM »
sam and vince won!!! ouch for geoff and tish.
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« Reply #22 on: November 20, 2008, 07:54:23 AM »
G/T arguing--G tells T to shut up! :ascared:

I/t doing the plunge
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« Reply #23 on: November 20, 2008, 07:55:58 AM »
S/V WIN!!!!  :jumpy: :jumpy: :jumpy:

G/T 2nd!!
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« Reply #24 on: November 20, 2008, 08:01:27 AM »
Sorry Calvin...

I am reporting third hand here so have no answers :pull   --maybe Cabio can fill us in?

I'd like to hear about WHERE on Phuket they were and more about what "Pull" and "Plunge" were, too!
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« Reply #25 on: November 20, 2008, 08:05:29 AM »
So Sony's spoiler is true....
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« Reply #26 on: November 20, 2008, 08:07:46 AM »
That darned ad is going to take on mythical proportions now! :funny:


Cabio--can you tell us where on Phuket they were? I was convinced they were on Koh Sumai...

And what was pull and what was plunge?

And did they show I/T at the end??
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« Reply #27 on: November 20, 2008, 08:09:02 AM »
Oh gosh--I hope we get a copy soon!!

It is going to seem like a really long wait.....
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« Reply #28 on: November 20, 2008, 08:12:54 AM »
I think they went to Chalong Island. Or something that sounds like that.

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« Reply #29 on: November 20, 2008, 08:22:44 AM »
That darned ad is going to take on mythical proportions now! :funny:


Cabio--can you tell us where on Phuket they were? I was convinced they were on Koh Sumai...

And what was pull and what was plunge?

And did they show I/T at the end??



sorry peach - I lost in Phuket ...

Pull - to find marked  shell that hanging in - i'm not sure what it's called - fish tank's farm

Plunge - to search giant shell with pearl inside
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« Reply #30 on: November 20, 2008, 08:37:58 AM »
Thank you Alvin and Cabio!!

I can't find it though...

Here are some nice Phuket Maps if anyone has any ideas?http://www.thaiwaysmagazine.com/phuket_map/phuket_map_island.html



And CABIO-- :ty3: for the updates!! :kuss:
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« Reply #31 on: November 20, 2008, 09:24:44 AM »
If I remember correctly (just watched the episode now) they went for the pearl thing at Laem Sing which is a private beach near kamala beach.

Phuket isn't that big and the main road goes in circle around the island. Bigger than Samui of course but the road is much better

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« Reply #32 on: November 20, 2008, 09:48:22 AM »
recap's up!
http://www.calvinshub.com/2008/11/20/the-amazing-race-asia-3-episode-11/

Congratulations again to Sam and Vince!! and also to the other two teams. :)
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« Reply #33 on: November 20, 2008, 10:02:43 AM »
Thank You Calvin! :yourock:

Oooh and thanks for that beach info, nokmdk! :yess: Off to look....
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« Reply #34 on: November 20, 2008, 10:55:54 AM »
If all goes right. I'm going to do a finale recap.
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« Reply #35 on: November 20, 2008, 11:29:19 AM »
I have taken a quick pass at the flights Ida/Tania were likely to take on a route to Dubai and then Singapore to get to Phuket. There is only one morning flight form SIN HKT on Sunday so it is critical that they get to Singapore in time to get it. However, that flight also keeps them behind the other 2 teams.

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« Reply #36 on: November 20, 2008, 02:59:43 PM »
I haven't seen it posted by others so far, so the times for pitstop release were:

Ida/Tania 542am
Geoff/Tisha 554am
Vince/Sam 1004am, which means they were 22 minutes behind the leader before the 4 hour penalty

The first task is at the Governor of Muscat's local Office. It has hours of operation starting 8am, so Vince/Sam instantly make up maybe 1.5 hours of their 4.4 hour gap. the next task is driving to Said's Camel Farm and each team member walking a new camel 5 times to make 10 total trips for the team.

That's as far as the segments I have seen (first and last) can report without violating the information on withholding the finish information. I can say that the final tasks include a DETOUR of diving to open a giant clam with a giant pearl(presumably plastic) inside or finding a marked shell in a cultivation area and going to a marked area to dig with your hands for treasure chests containing $100,000. As I know more I will fill in the information on the ciritical middle.

What happens booking flights at the Muscat airport is vital to explaining how the teams finish.
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Re: TARA 3 - Finale Discussion Thread ****HOT spoilers--beware!****
« Reply #37 on: November 20, 2008, 03:22:52 PM »
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What happens booking flights at the Muscat airport is vital to explaining how the teams finish.
I haven't seen it yet, but when TAR9 came through Seeb they had only two choices: Marmul or OUA (see here). There were some odd things about that departure, but that's for another thread.

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« Reply #38 on: November 20, 2008, 03:28:45 PM »
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That's as far as the segments I have seen (first and last) can report without violating the information on withholding the finish information.

It is okay to post the spoilers in this thread only, we know who won. But I am trying to keep the info out of the other threads esp the contestant threads and even the spoiler threads.

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Re: TARA 3 - Finale Discussion Thread ****HOT spoilers--beware!****
« Reply #39 on: November 20, 2008, 03:36:16 PM »
The office of the Governorate of Muscat is back in Muscat, so that means a few things:
1. The 2.5 hour drive out has to be reversed with a significant drive back. That makes sense since the first 2 teams are released before 6am and we know that Geoff/Tisha reach the governorate's office at 730am and Ida/Tania are already there by then. We can assume that it takes Vince/Sam until 1135am to get there. Ida/Tania and Geoff/Tisha will leave here around 8:02am, minutes after it opens.

2. The next task is at Said's Camel Farm, which is at Amal al Diad as best I could hear it. I have tried hard to locate this, but haven't succeeded yet. My guess is that it is no more than 30 minutes from the Governor's Office and also from the Muscat airport. If that is so then one hour transit plus the time for walking the camels (guess 30 minutes but it could be longer) puts those teams at the airport around 930am if they have no delays due to driving in the sand.

3. Vince/Sam will leave Governor's Office around 11:37 and get to the Camel Farm around 12:07pm. they could then get back to the airport by about 1:07pm. That is cutting it close for a 1:35PM flight but appaerntly they must make it.

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The system ate my first atempt to post this. I am redoing it from memory.

The tasks in Oman of driving to the office of the governorate of Muscat and then driving to the camel farm were already mentioned in my previous post, so that's where we will start. Teams take different approaches in herding camels. Ida and Tania each take one, leading to 5 passes; Geoff took two and Tania one, leading to 4 passes; Vince and Sam combined took one for the first 4 or so, then were each taking one, for a total of 7 passes. Teams then had to drive to marked sand field where 70 keys were buried, with only 7 of them able to open the clue box. Driving in the last part on loose sand was treacherous for the teams going in or out and all them them lost a lot of time there. Finding the right key was a random task. I have to believe that Vince/Sam somehow made up maybe 2 hours of their 2.5 hour deficit leaving the Governorate because they are shown passing Geoff/Tisha and Ida/Tania leaving as they enter.

What I know new is that the key task causes teams to not make the 1335 flight to Dubai and must wait for the next flight. The information on when that is is conflicting. The episode shows it at 440pm while my flight schedules show it at 4pm. Either way teams teams to get to Dubai in time to connect to Bangkok on the same flight TG522 1755 0505+1, but due to travel agent incompetence in Muscat airport Ida/Tania are not on that and have to find an alternative. They elect to go through Singapore, the best option facing them. However, SQ411 DXB SIN 2000 0715+1 connects with the first SIN HKT flight MI752 0830+1 0935+1 while the other teams get TG203 BKK HKT 0730+1 0850+1 and are 45 minutes ahead of them. That effectively dooms Ida/Tania's hopes of winning.

The other tasks were taxi to an ice store, find a plastic cube in a barrel of crushed ice (a dumb task that did not appear to differentiate teams at all), then get a taxi to Sam Hong temple(which was the critical difference between Vince/Sam who decided to switch to get a good taxi driver and Geoff/Tisha who had a poor one). Then it was out in a traditional fishing vessel to meet a boat between islands with the clue, then a DETOUR of Plunge (find a giant clam and open it to find a plastic pearl) or PULL (up strings with items attached until you find the one with the ARA3 logo. Finally it was digging sand in a marked pit to find a treasure chest containing the $100,000 winnings.

I was very pleased with the design of this Finale. Michael Mckay always had had a daunting array of tasks in the finales and this was no exception.

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Thanks so much for the airline info, apskip.  It's much appreciated to see how far behind  Ida and Tania were behind.

While I was pleased with the finale, I was disappointed that the design of the final leg did not penalize a team that quit a roadblock.

But overall I enjoyed this season very much.  This was the season that finally made me enter the land of the torrents.   :tup:

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And for anyone with the requisite patience to await the finish of long downloads, torrents are a great way to go. The only problem is usually(although not for the ARA3 finale), torrents are not available until after alternative modes of viewing Amazing Race Asia.