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Re: AR14 Timelines, Timetables and Flight Information
« Reply #125 on: February 13, 2009, 10:02:57 PM »
There are 5 nonstop flights from Delhi to Jaipur on Thursdays (like Nov. 13 with enough flex to accommodate teams lagging far behind). They are:

9W709 0545 0630
AI9896/IC896 0605 0645
IC7809 0700 0755
IT611 0930 1010
IT 2302 1930 2030

From Jaipur to Phuket late on Fridays (like Nov. 14 with enough flex to accommodate teams laging far behind):

IC612  JAI BOM  0735 0910  connecting TG340  BOM BKK  1230 1815  connecting  TG227  BKK HKT  1915 2035
IT612  JAI DEL  1950 2030  connecting  SQ407  DEL SIN  2315 0715  connecting  SQ5052  SIN HKT  0850 0935
IT2301  JAI DEL  0550 0650  connecting  TG324  DEL BKK  1155 1725  connecting to  TG223  BKK HKT  1820 1940
9W372  JAI BOM  2040 2220  connecting  9W062  BOM BKK  0155 0740  connecting  PG924  BKK HKT  1145 1305
IT3128  JAI BOM  1415 1600  connecting   AI442 BOM SIN 0010 0750  connecting  MI752  SIN HKT  0850 0935


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Re: AR14 Timelines, Timetables and Flight Information
« Reply #126 on: February 13, 2009, 10:11:30 PM »
AR14 Timeline(revised 2/13):

Oct. 31 leg 1 depart U.S. for Locarno, Switzerland via Frankfurt and Zurich or via Milan:

LAX to Milan-Malpensa(MXP) as follows: AF75 LAX CDG 1600 0930+1, connecting with AF4806 CDG MXP 1125+1 1305+1     
Here are the schedules in the same time frame:
take taxi to Milan Central Station, dep.Milan Central Station 1510  Arrival in Lugano 1609, Connecting train leaves 1612 Arrival in Bellinzona 1634, connecting train leave 1654 arrives Locarno 1713
 
From LAX to Zurich via Frankfurt we have the interesting combination:
LH457  LAX FRA  1535 1025+1 connecting with LH3726   FRA ZRH  1200 1255

There are 10 nonstop flights on Saturday between Frankfurt and Zurich, so if any are delayed there are alternatives.

The train schedule from Zurich to Bellinzona to Locarno indicates that 3 1/4 hours is required. Here it is:
de.Zurich 1402 arrive Arth-Goldau 1446 dep. 1448 arr. Bellinzona 1623 dep. 1630 arrive Locarno 1657

Nov. 1 arrive mid-morning in Europe and reach Locarn late afternoon afternoon; then sign up for 0715, 0730 or 0745am departures; then sleep overnight;
Nov. 2 Verzasca Dam bungee jump then Locarno to Domodossola to Spiez to Interlaken by train;
schedule for a leading team:
dep. Locarno 0903 arr. Bellinzona 0927
dep. Bellnizona 0936 arr. Lucerne 1141 via the St. Gotthard Tunnel
dep. Lucerne 1155 arr. Interlaken Ost 1355
this is nearly a 5 hour trip;

schedule for good train (taken by Brad/Victoria and lagging teams get there in time to take it):
dep. Locarno 1042 arr. Domodossola 1230
dep. Domodossola 1248 arr. Spiez 1353
dep. Spiez 1403 arr. Interlaken West 1423
total trip is 4 hours train;
other teams go earlier and get there slightly earlier(except for Christie/Jodi who get a circuitous route 1 1/4 hours hours earlier but arrive later or teams that are behind Brad/Victoria);

Interlaken tasks;
Interlaken area (Stechelberg) pit stop

Nov. 3 leg 2 Interlaken by tasi directl to Zurich airport, then plane to Salzburg:
 
From Interlaken to Munich, the early morning Monday(as in Nov.3) flights are:
LX1100 ZRH MUC 0710 0815
LX3616 ZRH MUC 0845 0945

then self-drive less than an hour to Ruhpolding
Tasks in Raushberg near Ruhpolding parasailing, 25 mile drive to Schnoau am Kongisee for tasks, then
Evening Extedned 18 hour Pit stop in Salzburg at Schloss Hellbrunn

Nov. 4  begin leg 3;
Salzburg to Bucharest, with several evening flight options, including:
through Munich drive back from Salzburg early evening, then LH3424 2130 0025 MUC OTP
through Frankfurt OS269 1830 1950 SGZ FRA connecting to LH3416 2030 0005 FRA OTP

Nov. 5 arrival in Bucharest after midnight; transfer to train to get to Brasov
morning train departures: Bucharest Nord 2358 arr. Brasov 0246  or  dep. 0630 0922  or  dep. 0730 1019  or  dep. 0616 1051(note: nobody would want this) or  0830 1124  or  0942 1254  or  1130 1404

tasks in Brasov and nearby Transylvania
extended pit stop in Transylvania (includes Brasov)

Nov. 7 leg 4  leave Transylvania for Krasnojarsk, Siberia
get to Bucharest if not already there
RO341 Bucharest (OTP)  -  Vienna (VIE)0835 0920,  FV204 Vienna (VIE)  -  St Petersburg (LED) 1050 1530, FV573 St. Petersburg (LED)  -  Krasnojarsk (KJA) 1800 0240+1   OR
LO642  Bucharest (OTP)  -  Warsaw (WAW)1435 1520, LO677 Warsaw (WAW)  -  Moscow (SVO) 1600 2010, SU781 Moscow (SVO)  -  Krasnojarsk (KJA) 0045+1 0910+1   OR
TH1444 Bucharest (OTP)  -  Istanbul (IST) 1050 1215, TK1415 Istanbul (IST)  -  Moscow (SVO) 1335 1740, SU779 Moscow (SVO)  -  Krasnojarsk (KJA) 2055 0540+1

Nov. 8 do tasks and finish with TBC;
leg 5 begins allowing teams to board TransSiberian Express in late afternoon
Here is the schedule from Krasnojarsk to Novosibirsk on a weekday:

Dep.Kr  Arr.No Duration
00:57  14:09  13:12   
02:01  17:27  15:26 
04:10  16:01  11:51   
05:59  20:06  14:07   
06:52  18:51  11:59   
07:18   22:52  15:34     
08:05   21:24  13:19     
10:09   23:55  13:46     
10:36   23:12  12:36     
11:16   00:58  13:42     
12:36   01:12  12:36     
13:51   02:24  12:33     
14:37   04:19  13:42     
15:27   04:33  13:06     
18:26   06:47  12:21     
23:36   12:38  13:02   

My guess is that teams would be ready to leave Krasnojarsk based on a TBC on the 1351, 1437, or 1527 trains.

Nov. 10 TransSiberian Express arrival in Novosibirsk
ride on Trans Siberian Express train trip to Novosibirsk
tasks in Novosibirsk, Siberia
pit stop

Nov. 12 leg 6 flights Novosibirsk to Moscow to Delhi, India and on to somewhere in northern India
SU810 Novosibirsk (OVB)  -  Moscow (SVO) 0700 0815, KC872 Moscow (SVO)  -  Almaty (ALA) 0920 1645, KC907 Almaty (ALA)  -  Delhi (DEL) 1805 2115
 then connecting to Jaipur India

There are 5 nonstop flights from Delhi to Jaipur on Thursdays (like Nov. 13 with enough flex to accommodate teams lagging far behind). They are:

9W709 0545 0630
AI9896/IC896 0605 0645
IC7809 0700 0755
IT611 0930 1010
IT 2302 1930 2030

tasks in Jaipur area
pit stop

Nov. 14 leg 7 Fly Jaipur to Phuket
From Jaipur to Phuket late on Fridays with enough flex to accommodate teams laging far behind:

IC612  JAI BOM  0735 0910  connecting TG340  BOM BKK  1230 1815  connecting  TG227  BKK HKT  1915 2035
IT612  JAI DEL  1950 2030  connecting  SQ407  DEL SIN  2315 0715+1  connecting  SQ5052  SIN HKT  0850+1 0935+1
IT2301  JAI DEL  0550 0650  connecting  TG324  DEL BKK  1155 1725  connecting to  TG223  BKK HKT  1820 1940
9W372 JAI BOM  2040 2220 connecting 9W062  BOM BKK  0155+1 0740+1  connecting  PG924  BKK HKT  1145+1 1305+1
IT3128  JAI BOM  1415 1600  connecting   AI442 BOM SIN 0010+1 0750+1  connecting  MI752  SIN HKT  0850+1 0935+1

Nov. 15 see above
Phhuket area tasks
pit stop

Nov. 16 leg 8 fly from Phuket to Bangkok
Choices for flights are: TG226 0725 0850, TG1204 0935 1100, PG272 1025 1145, TG1206 1235 1400, TG1214 1355 1520, PPG 276 1350 1510
 
tasks in Bangkok area
pit stop

Nov. 18 leg 9 fly from Bangkok to to Guilin
 Shenzen Air 9669 BKK CAN 2110 2225. The viable CAN KWL flights are TG668 0950 1330 and MS958 1310 1655. 
tasks in Guilin area
extended pit stop

Nov. 20 leg 10 Guilin to Beijing flight choices:
CZ3281 0900 1125
CA6312 1145 1435
CZ3287 1710 1950
CA1226 2105 0015

then tasks in Beijing and start TBC

Nov. 21 leg 11 do TBC leg with pitstop before midnight

leg 12 return from Beijing to U.S. for Finish Line in Hawaii via Tokyo
PEK NRT on Air China has several choices:
CA6651/NH956 0845 1305
CA925               0930 1350
CA167               1350 1750

Continuing on from Tokyo-Narita to Honolulu (NRT to HNL), there are 9 choices with departures between 645pm and 10pm. With the 6 hours 45 minute flying team and 5 hour time difference, these flights arrive HNL 0630 to 0950. The most logical choice to me would be UA880 NRT HNL 1925 0710+1. All these are same day due to crossing the International Date Line.

Finish Line on Maui, so teams will take a 36 or 37 minute flight Honolulu to Kahului. There is at least one every hour from 5am to 9pm and several in some hours.
tasks
Finish Line

Note: this is a 22 day race.
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Re: AR14 Timelines, Timetables and Flight Information
« Reply #127 on: February 14, 2009, 01:35:32 PM »
Here's another option for getting to Bellinzona if you land in Malpensa. The MalpensaExpress is a train that runs from the airport to Saronno and the central train station in Milan.

Doesn't explain Chiasso unless you mess up the transfer between the Como stations...

That's it, Walkingpneumonia! That's how Preston/Jennifer miss their train! Working backwards from when they're stuck in Chiasso gives us a schedule a little later than the one you posted on the Ep 1 thread...

The train pulling into Chiasso Platform 7 at 4.52pm can only be EC172. Preston/Jennifer get on this train.

The quickest way to get between Malpensa Airport and Locarno, from 1.24pm to 2.23pm:
Malpensa Express to Saronno, 1353 to 1413 or 1423 to 1443
R149 to Como Camerlata, 1504 to 1532
Change to Albate-Camerlata or Como S Giovanni
S10 to Giubiasco, 1550 (AC) / 1555 (CSG) to 1656 OR
S20 to Locarno, 1704 to 1727

There's an alternative route on the 1.53pm Malpensa Express through the city getting into Locarno at 1713. However, it involves the tricky transfer between Milano Cadorna and Milano Centrale stations, which doesn't pop up on electronic searches.

Preston/Jennifer mess up the connection and end up:
Arrive in Albate-Camerlata after 1550 or Como S Giovanni after 1555
R10860 to Chiasso, 1632 (AC) / 1638 (CSG) to 1643
EC172 to Bellinzona, 1700 to 1750 (train in previews)
IR2177 to Locarno, 1754 to 1813

The couple loses 46 minutes to this mistake.
It is likely that they "check-in" at the Locarno semi-Pit Stop last.


All this means that teams are ready to leave Malpensa Airport from between 1.24pm to 2.23pm. Any earlier and there would be a better route, any later and Preston/Jennifer won't be in Chiasso at 4.52pm. That suggests the Milan 4's flight was:
TN22 or AF75 from Los Angeles to Paris: 1145-0845 or 1500-1030, then
AZ307/AF9806 from Paris to Milan Malpensa: 1125-1305

So it looks like teams have the choice of arriving in Zurich at 12.55pm or Milan at 1.05pm. Malpensa is 60km (37 miles) from Locarno, Zurich 146km (91 miles). Given it took us bloody forever to figure out the best routes to Locarno, what would you do?

:spoiler:
Correct answer: Zurich will get you into Locarno at 4.57pm if you don't mess anything up. Milan gets you in at 5.27pm. However, if it's a later connection arriving in Zurich at 2pm, you'd arrive in Locarno at 5.57pm. Preston/Jennifer's mistake will put them at the back of the pack, arriving in Locarno at 6.13pm.
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Re: AR14 Timelines, Timetables and Flight Information
« Reply #128 on: February 15, 2009, 11:11:22 PM »
Most teams are too lazy to do some research eh? With the long wait in LAX and with other teams clueless as to which route to take, surely you could find the train schedules online? Well, same thing with the train routes for Days 2 and 3, simply hopping on the direct trains and the trains leaving earlier. Lazy racers! (LaKisha/Jennifer get half a point for finding out Milan's closer to Locarno. But no cookie!)



From Los Angeles to Europe

We got the flights, but I messed up on Summer Time again. Departure times from Los Angeles are one hour later than what we listed; arrival times in Europe are as predicted.

Tammy/Victor, Christie/Jodi, Jamie/Cara, Mark/Michael, Brad/Victoria, Margie/Luke
LH457 to Frankfurt, 3.55pm to 10.25am
LH3726 to Zurich, 12.00pm to 12.55pm

LaKisha/Jennifer, Mel/Mike, Amanda/Kris, Preston/Jennifer, Steve/Linda
AF75 to Paris: 4.00pm to 10.30pm
AF1714 to Milan: 1.20pm to 2:50pm (edited to a later flight, AF75 was delayed by an hour; thanks Puck71!)



From Zurich Airport to Locarno

Only Jodi/Christie picked up on our predicted fastest route. The other racers change trains two times less, but arrive 15min later. (Jodi/Christie say they'd arrive 13min earlier, which works if they rounded the 4.57pm arrival to a 5.00pm arrival.)

Tammy/Victor, Jamie/Cara, Mark/Michael, Brad/Victoria, Margie/Luke (Fr 61 = US$60)
IR2343 to Zurich Central, 1.47pm to 1.59pm
IR2275 to Locarno, 2.09pm to 5.13pm

And those sneaky editors - putting in Fluelen for Goldau! Jodi/Christie had already got off and changed trains three stops before. Here's a picture of Goldau Station, which matches what we see as Jodi/Christie sneak off.

Jodi/Christie (Fr 61 = US$60)
IR2275 to Goldau, 2.09pm to 2.46pm
ICN679 to Bellinzona, 2.50pm to 4.23pm
S20 to Locano, 4.30pm to 4.57pm



From Milan Malpensa Airport to Locarno

Amanda/Kris are seen entering a train station at 3.25pm. Jennifer/Preston are waiting in Chiasso at 4.50pm.

LaKisha/Jennifer, Mel/Mike, Amanda/Kris, Steve/Linda
Malpensa Airport to Chiasso Station
S10 to Giubiasco, 4.03pm to 4.56pm
S20 to Locarno, 5.04pm to 5.27pm

Jennifer/Preston (Fr 24 = US$20)
Malpensa Airport to Chiasso Station
EC172 to Bellinzona, 5.00pm to 5.50pm
IR2177 to Locarno, 5.54pm to 6.13pm



From Locarno to Interlaken

The time-stamps show us that each bungee take about 8 minutes. Working backwards, we have the first four teams ending by 8.17am. That's just about right for our predicted trains:

Tammy/Victor, Michael/Mark, Mel/Mike, Margie/Luke (Fr 72 = US$61)
S20 to Bellinzona, 9.03am to 9.27am
ICN662 to Luzern, 9.36am to 11.41am
IR 2222 to Interlaken Ost, 11.55am to 1.55pm

Brad/Victoria, Amanda/Chris, Cara/Jamie, Jennifer/Preston, LaKisha/Jennifer, Steve/Linda (Fr 80 = US$68)
D40 to Domodossola, 10.42am to 12.30pm
CIS52 to Spiez, 12.48pm to 1.53pm
R5724 to Interlaken West, 2.05pm to 2.23pm

One thing I didn't account for was teams taking the slow trains...

Jodi/Christie (Fr 72 = US$61)
IR2174 to Luzern, 9.45am to 12.41pm
IR2224 to Interlaken Ost, 12.55pm to 2.55pm



My check-in time predictions!

Luke/Margie, Tammy/Victor, Mark/Michael: 3.27pm
Mike/Mel: 3.33pm
Amanda/Kris: 3.50pm (from Insiders)
LaKisha/Jennifer: 3.52pm
Cara/Jaime, Brad/Victoria, Steve/Linda: 3.52-4.22pm
Jodi/Christie, Jennifer/Preston: 4.22pm
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Re: AR14 Timelines, Timetables and Flight Information
« Reply #129 on: February 17, 2009, 09:32:48 AM »
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And those sneaky editors - putting in Fluelen for Goldau!
Chiasso and Arth-Goldau signs were available, but only for a few frames: I have to think it was an accident on their part.


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Re: AR14 Timelines, Timetables and Flight Information
« Reply #130 on: February 17, 2009, 09:42:22 AM »
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Jodi/Christie
IR2174 to Luzern, 9.45am to 12.41pm
IR2224 to Interlaken Ost, 12.55pm to 2.55pm

I can't believe Jodi and Christie made up 30mins of time. They're amazing! Great work and analysis there Neobie!!

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Re: AR14 Timelines, Timetables and Flight Information
« Reply #131 on: February 17, 2009, 10:00:29 PM »
Sounds like BVM confirms 12 legs  :tup:  :yess:

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« Reply #132 on: February 19, 2009, 12:37:59 AM »
Ack, forget what I said about teams on the same flight into Munich. Now we know Amanda/Kris took a taxi from Stechelberg "to the airport". If teams head to Bern Airport, they'd be on the same LH3655, flying from 6.45am to 7.50am.

However, if teams are instructed to take the long haul to Zurich Airport (197km by taxi, translating to say 2h 10min), teams could potentially split onto two, even three flights:
LH5063 to 7.10am to 8.15am
LH3739 to 8.45am to 9.45am
LH3741 to 9.30am to 10.30am



On Novosibirsk to Jaipur:

Worked out possible flights from Russia to India, and teams left Novosibirsk after Tue 11 Nov 10.55am, but before Wed 12 Nov 1.20pm. Any earlier and they'd get into Jaipur a full two days ahead of their Pit Stop, any later and they won't make the flight into Bangkok two days later.

The flight connections, which we'd concern ourselves with when we can narrow the timings down a leetle bit more, include crazy itineraries such as (and these are actually the fastest flights at certain times of the week!):
Novosibirsk > Urumqi > Shanghai (change airport) > Hong Kong > Delhi
Novosibirsk > Moscow > Bangkok > Delhi
Novosibirsk > Frankfurt (change airport) > Mumbai > Delhi
Novosibirsk > Moscow > Dubai > Mumbai > Jaipur



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Re: AR14 Timelines, Timetables and Flight Information
« Reply #133 on: February 19, 2009, 01:16:26 AM »
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Re: AR14 Timelines, Timetables and Flight Information
« Reply #134 on: February 23, 2009, 12:19:44 PM »
Okay guys, we need some help! The press releases are saying the first place team is staring down elimination because their plane makes an unexpected landing.

That of course is Victor/Tammy who were substantially in the lead.

What flight would they have taken? Salzburg>>Bucharest

Can we check historical data to see what delay there was?

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Re: AR14 Timelines, Timetables and Flight Information
« Reply #135 on: February 23, 2009, 07:38:17 PM »
But then that extended preview has Brad/Victoria missing a flight in Amsterdam, per Neobie. Hmm... two things to look at, it seems.
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Re: AR14 Timelines, Timetables and Flight Information
« Reply #136 on: February 23, 2009, 08:05:34 PM »
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Can we check historical data to see what delay there was?
Maybe not a delay; I'd guess they gambled (and lost) on making a tight connection time in Schiphol.

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Re: AR14 Timelines, Timetables and Flight Information
« Reply #137 on: February 23, 2009, 08:11:42 PM »
I was thinking it is V/T's flight that makes the unexpected landing, it says first place team, which B/V were not?

I think B/V 's flight is something else.
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Re: AR14 Timelines, Timetables and Flight Information
« Reply #138 on: February 23, 2009, 08:38:36 PM »
Warning: The following information may adversely affect your viewing pleasure for Episode 3.
(Who knew the Timetables thread could do that?)

Brad and Victoria are in deep doo-doo.

...

This is what they were hoping for:
KL1798 from Munich to Amsterdam: 5.30pm to 7.15pm
KL1361 from Amsterdam to Bucharest: 8.20pm to 12.10am
This combination would get them in 15min ahead of the Bucharest sightings.

(Why we're sure it's KL1798: The next earliest Salzburg-Amsterdam-Bucharest combination requires teams to depart Munich at 9.25am. There's a direct from Munich to Bucharest at 1.20pm that arrives before this combination.)

The problem? KL1798 left 36min late and landed at 8.06pm. The next direct flight to Bucharest is KL1389, leaving at 9.50am and arriving at 1.35pm, 13 hours after the (originally) trailing teams.

Trying to find alternatives now. Frankfurt and Vienna don't look too promising.
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« Reply #140 on: February 23, 2009, 08:47:28 PM »
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!
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« Reply #141 on: February 23, 2009, 09:17:38 PM »
Latest news: Brad and Victoria can still save themselves if they move fast, but not too fast!

KL553/RO102 leaves Amsterdam at 9.00pm and arrives in Bucharest at 6.15am, connecting through Cairo. (Brad/Victoria missed the flight leaving at 8.20pm.) That's five hours behind the (previously) trailing teams. If hours of operation and train schedules work to their favour, they may still be able to climb out of that ditch.

MA669/MA856 through Budapest is an even faster flight combination, leaving at 8.30pm and scheduled to arrive at 1.25am, just one hour after our main pack. But God is in the works - the Amsterdam-Budapest gets delayed too, leaving teams with an impossible 11min to connect! The next Budapest-Bucharest flight is MA850 (0740-1005).
« Last Edit: February 23, 2009, 09:31:59 PM by Neobie »
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Re: AR14 Timelines, Timetables and Flight Information
« Reply #142 on: February 23, 2009, 09:26:51 PM »
Latest news: Brad and Victoria can still save themselves if they move fast, but not too fast!

KL553 leaves Amsterdam for Cairo at 9.00pm, arriving at 2.23am. (They missed the flight leaving at 8.20pm.) RO102 leaves Cairo for Bucharest at 3.25am, arriving in Bucharest at 6.15am, five hours behind the (previously) trailing teams. If hours of operation and train timetables work to their favour, they may be able to climb out of that ditch.

There is an even faster flight combination scheduled to arrive at 1.25am, just one hour after our main pack. Brad and Victoria will have to race to get on MA669 to Budapest (2030-2230), then connect to MA856 to Bucharest (2310-0125). But... the Amsterdam-Budapest flight gets delayed too! It landed at 10.59pm, leaving them 11min to connect. They'd be missing their flight again. °_° The next Budapest-Bucharest flight is MA850 (0740-1005).
I have confidence that they can fight their way back! They are there to win! Thanks Neobie .. now i need a drink :wine: .. and passes a few on .. Cheers!

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Re: AR14 Timelines, Timetables and Flight Information
« Reply #143 on: February 23, 2009, 09:31:15 PM »
Here's another option for getting to Bellinzona if you land in Malpensa. The MalpensaExpress is a train that runs from the airport to Saronno and the central train station in Milan.

Doesn't explain Chiasso unless you mess up the transfer between the Como stations...

That's it, Walkingpneumonia! That's how Preston/Jennifer miss their train! Working backwards from when they're stuck in Chiasso gives us a schedule a little later than the one you posted on the Ep 1 thread...

The train pulling into Chiasso Platform 7 at 4.52pm can only be EC172. Preston/Jennifer get on this train.

The quickest way to get between Malpensa Airport and Locarno, from 1.24pm to 2.23pm:
Malpensa Express to Saronno, 1353 to 1413 or 1423 to 1443
R149 to Como Camerlata, 1504 to 1532
Change to Albate-Camerlata or Como S Giovanni
S10 to Giubiasco, 1550 (AC) / 1555 (CSG) to 1656 OR
S20 to Locarno, 1704 to 1727

There's an alternative route on the 1.53pm Malpensa Express through the city getting into Locarno at 1713. However, it involves the tricky transfer between Milano Cadorna and Milano Centrale stations, which doesn't pop up on electronic searches.

Preston/Jennifer mess up the connection and end up:
Arrive in Albate-Camerlata after 1550 or Como S Giovanni after 1555
R10860 to Chiasso, 1632 (AC) / 1638 (CSG) to 1643
EC172 to Bellinzona, 1700 to 1750 (train in previews)
IR2177 to Locarno, 1754 to 1813

The couple loses 46 minutes to this mistake.
It is likely that they "check-in" at the Locarno semi-Pit Stop last.


All this means that teams are ready to leave Malpensa Airport from between 1.24pm to 2.23pm. Any earlier and there would be a better route, any later and Preston/Jennifer won't be in Chiasso at 4.52pm. That suggests the Milan 4's flight was:
TN22 or AF75 from Los Angeles to Paris: 1145-0845 or 1500-1030, then
AZ307/AF9806 from Paris to Milan Malpensa: 1125-1305

So it looks like teams have the choice of arriving in Zurich at 12.55pm or Milan at 1.05pm. Malpensa is 60km (37 miles) from Locarno, Zurich 146km (91 miles). Given it took us bloody forever to figure out the best routes to Locarno, what would you do?

:spoiler:
Correct answer: Zurich will get you into Locarno at 4.57pm if you don't mess anything up. Milan gets you in at 5.27pm. However, if it's a later connection arriving in Zurich at 2pm, you'd arrive in Locarno at 5.57pm. Preston/Jennifer's mistake will put them at the back of the pack, arriving in Locarno at 6.13pm.

Neobie, my independent work on flights led me to the same conclusion that you arrived at. The Frankfurt-connecting flight arrived at Zurich at 1255pm and the Paris-connecting flight arrived in MIlan-Malpensa at 155pm.

You are correct on the best schedule from Zurich being arrival in Locarno at 457pm. However, my work shows that you can get to Locarno from Milano-Centrale (which I believe they reach by airport bus and not by train, but it doesn't matter). Here is the schedule:

Milan dep.1510 arr.Lugano 1609 dep.1612 arr.Bellinzona 1634 dep.1654 arr.Locarno 1713

If I had time to research in on the Internet in LAX, I would have picked the flight to Frankfurt/Zurich with the longer train ride because of the gaps in the schedule from Milan. However, no team had time to do that before selecting their flight. Their thinking in episode 1 obviously involved guesswork and second-guessing.

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Re: AR14 Timelines, Timetables and Flight Information
« Reply #144 on: February 23, 2009, 09:31:22 PM »
Those are definitely tight connections. I'm not sure if they continue. But then again, if Amanda & Kris lose their passports ..... There's a lot of if's in this episode!
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Re: AR14 Timelines, Timetables and Flight Information
« Reply #145 on: February 23, 2009, 09:41:01 PM »
Ack, forget what I said about teams on the same flight into Munich. Now we know Amanda/Kris took a taxi from Stechelberg "to the airport". If teams head to Bern Airport, they'd be on the same LH3655, flying from 6.45am to 7.50am.

However, if teams are instructed to take the long haul to Zurich Airport (197km by taxi, translating to say 2h 10min), teams could potentially split onto two, even three flights:
LH5063 to 7.10am to 8.15am
LH3739 to 8.45am to 9.45am
LH3741 to 9.30am to 10.30am



On Novosibirsk to Jaipur:

Worked out possible flights from Russia to India, and teams left Novosibirsk after Tue 11 Nov 10.55am, but before Wed 12 Nov 1.20pm. Any earlier and they'd get into Jaipur a full two days ahead of their Pit Stop, any later and they won't make the flight into Bangkok two days later.

The flight connections, which we'd concern ourselves with when we can narrow the timings down a leetle bit more, include crazy itineraries such as (and these are actually the fastest flights at certain times of the week!):
Novosibirsk > Urumqi > Shanghai (change airport) > Hong Kong > Delhi
Novosibirsk > Moscow > Bangkok > Delhi
Novosibirsk > Frankfurt (change airport) > Mumbai > Delhi
Novosibirsk > Moscow > Dubai > Mumbai > Jaipur



PS Is Apskip on sabbatical? Missing you already!

Apskip is back and has some things to supplement your analyses. First, the episode clearly states that teams got either the 710am flight or the 845am flight to Munich. That can only be from Zurich, so the hypothesis of flying from Bern is out the window.

My analysis of Novosibirsk to Delhi does not find any wealth of alternatives like you do. There is only one way to do this the best:

SU810 Novosibirsk (OVB)  -  Moscow (SVO) 0700 0815,
KC872 Moscow (SVO)  -  Almaty (ALA) 0920 1645,
KC907 Almaty (ALA)  -  Delhi (DEL) 1805 2115
 then connecting to Jaipur India (5 alternatives offerred in Timeline above)


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Re: AR14 Timelines, Timetables and Flight Information
« Reply #146 on: February 23, 2009, 09:44:22 PM »
Forget Siberia apskip, SAVE BRAD AND VICTORIA!!!!
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Re: AR14 Timelines, Timetables and Flight Information
« Reply #147 on: February 23, 2009, 09:48:30 PM »
Warning: The following information may adversely affect your viewing pleasure for Episode 3.
(Who knew the Timetables thread could do that?)

Brad and Victoria are in deep doo-doo.

...

This is what they were hoping for:
KL1798 from Munich to Amsterdam: 5.30pm to 7.15pm
KL1361 from Amsterdam to Bucharest: 8.20pm to 12.10am
This combination would get them in 15min ahead of the Bucharest sightings.

(Why we're sure it's KL1798: The next earliest Salzburg-Amsterdam-Bucharest combination requires teams to depart Munich at 9.25am. There's a direct from Munich to Bucharest at 1.20pm that arrives before this combination.)

The problem? KL1798 left 36min late and landed at 8.06pm. The next direct flight to Bucharest is KL1389, leaving at 9.50am and arriving at 1.35pm, 13 hours after the (originally) trailing teams.

Trying to find alternatives now. Frankfurt and Vienna don't look too promising.

Huh?. I am not following your logic here. The last possible flight from Salzburg to Bucharest via Vienna is:
OS924 1825 1920 SZG VIE
RO344 1955 2235 VIE OTP

Teams also have this alternative connecting in Franfurt:
OS269 1830 1950 SZG FRA
LH3416 2050  0010+1 FRA OTP

Now, Neobie, please tell me why any team would be foolish enough to consider going through Amsterdam which has an inferior schedule and tight connection? No flights through Amsterdam even appear on my flight information database, although you and I certainly have known about the flights through Amsterdam for a long time.

I don't see it. How do you know that they sent to Amsterdam? Would you do so if you were faced with the same alternatives that they had
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Re: AR14 Timelines, Timetables and Flight Information
« Reply #148 on: February 23, 2009, 09:53:07 PM »
We have video of them in Amsterdam apskip, there is a promo.

http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,18377.msg378890.html#msg378890

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« Last Edit: February 23, 2009, 09:57:27 PM by georgiapeach »
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Re: AR14 Timelines, Timetables and Flight Information
« Reply #149 on: February 23, 2009, 09:57:13 PM »
Peach,
I consider Brad and Victoria along with Margie and Luke to be the most overchieving teams (I expected great things from Tammy and Victor).

I don't know if I have satisfied your mandate to "Save Brad and Victoria". If they did fly to Amsterdam and they arrived late, their goose is cooked unless KLM eelcts to hold the last flight for all connections (this does happen some of the time) or there is an Hours of Operation in Romania. we already know that leading teams catch an early morning train to Brasov and the possiblity of a late morning Hours of Operation in Brasov is pretty low.


 

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