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Re: The Amazing Race 14 Speculation on Spoilers
« Reply #1525 on: April 29, 2009, 03:22:19 AM »
I would utterly LOL if instead of what we found out to happen: (again, this is my 0.00000001% of hope talking so no :angel: smileys please :funny:)

1. Tammy/Victor have a huge lead and are on Flight 1 with production
2. Kisha/Jen are in 4th

This happens:

1. Kisha/Jen have a huge lead and are on Flight 1 with decoy teams
2. Tammy/Victor are in 4th

Although that's not happening in a million years, unless T/V, M/L & C/J have a RB penalty. (like they only eat one delicacy alone and share the other delicacies with the teammate when they have to eat a series of delicacies alone and check in to the Pitstop without them knowing they did it wrongly - see Tara/Wil & Blake/Paige in Sydney) Again, just false hope. (cue the :angel: smileys. :funny:)
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Re: The Amazing Race 14 Speculation on Spoilers
« Reply #1526 on: April 29, 2009, 09:52:41 AM »
Do decoy teams ever run with the final 3?  I know you can't read much in facial expressions captured in 1 photo, but Kisha does look much more serious than the other teams.  Can't really tell much about Jen from where she is.  And who are they looking back toward?  It looks like Jodi & the bros are looking back at the guy in the "A" ball cap.  Wonder if he's with them.

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Re: The Amazing Race 14 Speculation on Spoilers
« Reply #1527 on: April 29, 2009, 10:00:04 AM »
If Tammy & Victor are in a huge lead going into Honolulu, I'm pretty sure it'll get canceled out when they head to Maui.  The F3 will probably have some tasks to do in Honolulu first and then get bunched up before the final flight to Maui.  Just like in All-Stars, when the F3 got bunched up after their tasks in Hawaii, before heading to San Francisco.
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Re: The Amazing Race 14 Speculation on Spoilers
« Reply #1528 on: April 29, 2009, 10:17:13 AM »
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A more logical sequence would be the bunching to occur at Narita Airprot. Phil has stated on his Diary video that he left the Beijing pit stop at 330pm, so all teams finished before then. The first possible flight from Beijing to Narita is JL780 0825 1255. That gives all teams ample time to be on the first flight departing Narita for Honolulu, which is the previously discussed JO76 1845 0645+1 and its related "extra flight" JO8090 30 minutes later. Why did teams take the one hour later PEK NRT flight CA925? I certainly can't say, but there is no harm to taking CA925 on the connection to the Honollu-bound flights.  World Race Productions has a history of getting teams near the pit stop as early in the day as possible to minimizie sighting potential. I see only a tiny probability that tasks in Honolulu would have created the bunching. There is a possibility for airport bunching if the flight to Maui is to Kapalua airport, which has only 4 flights a day. It that was not specified, teams would take the next available flight from Honolulu to Maui - Kahului airport. There are about 3 every hour, so that would depend on the time to clear U.S. customs. If it is Kahului as the destination airport, I expect that WRP will find some way of guaranteeing that all 3 F3 teams are on the same flight. Arriving at the same time should do that, but not always.
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Re: The Amazing Race 14 Speculation on Spoilers
« Reply #1529 on: April 29, 2009, 01:42:47 PM »
quote from graytex:  "And who are they looking back toward?  It looks like Jodi & the bros are looking back at the guy in the "A" ball cap.  Wonder if he's with them."

i am sure this will be the most brilliant, eye-opening, 1st reply ever...
but, the second i saw that photo, i thought the guy in right, with A hat on, was LUKE.  And i think the A cap looks fake, pasted on...   Maybe this picture is AFTER the race is done...but why would they be holding those papers and filming them....????
I know -- doesn't make sense...but i just think it looks like Luke, doctored.....and doesn't he have a gray fleece pull-over??


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Re: The Amazing Race 14 Speculation on Spoilers
« Reply #1530 on: April 29, 2009, 01:50:35 PM »
 the photo data is DateTimeOriginal : 2008:11:21 17:41:15

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Re: The Amazing Race 14 Speculation on Spoilers
« Reply #1531 on: April 29, 2009, 04:01:48 PM »
the photo data is DateTimeOriginal : 2008:11:21 17:41:15



 :jam: cool spoiler!

BTW, anyone notice that there are three cameramen BUT no sound guys.  Kinda suggests that this footage will never get broadcast, so audio is not all that important and can be recorded using the mike on the camera.  I'm sure I read somewhere that every (active) team gets a cameraman AND a sound man.  Never saw a happier looking bunch of Losers!   :funny:

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Re: The Amazing Race 14 Speculation on Spoilers
« Reply #1532 on: April 29, 2009, 04:03:43 PM »
the photo data is DateTimeOriginal : 2008:11:21 17:41:15



I'm confused now.
The race ended on Nov. 21 around 11 am ( http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,17788.msg380845.html#msg380845 )
The photo was taken Nov. 21 at 5:41 pm
If the picture is post final mat then it really doesn't spoil anything. Its just a photo of various racers enjoying some down time after the race - waiting for a taxi or something. It doesn't tell us who the final 3 are at all.

Or am I missing something here?
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Re: The Amazing Race 14 Speculation on Spoilers
« Reply #1533 on: April 29, 2009, 04:37:37 PM »
I have never set my clock camera and would have no idea if it is right? Or suppose that is an EST visitor?

And last season teams were asked to run decoy AFTER the mat as well....
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Re: The Amazing Race 14 Speculation on Spoilers
« Reply #1534 on: April 29, 2009, 04:55:28 PM »
Fwiw, he's wearing a shirt with the logo of NTBG, which has a branch west of Hana.


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Re: The Amazing Race 14 Speculation on Spoilers
« Reply #1535 on: April 29, 2009, 05:54:17 PM »

i am sure this will be the most brilliant, eye-opening, 1st reply ever...
but, the second i saw that photo, i thought the guy in right, with A hat on, was LUKE.  And i think the A cap looks fake, pasted on...   Maybe this picture is AFTER the race is done...but why would they be holding those papers and filming them....????
I know -- doesn't make sense...but i just think it looks like Luke, doctored.....and doesn't he have a gray fleece pull-over??


The guy's arms don't look like Luke's to me. ??? 

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Re: The Amazing Race 14 Speculation on Spoilers
« Reply #1536 on: April 29, 2009, 06:52:46 PM »
I would want to think this photo doesn't spoil the F3, but having all those previously eliminated teams and only Kisha & Jen with them from the F4 strongly suggests that those are all decoys (even if it is after the race is over).

They can't have them doing decoy duty during the race, because they are needed at the Finish Line, so they have to do it after the race is over. I think the camera time is likely correct or at least close. Not that I know anything about sun angles, like Chateau.

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Re: The Amazing Race 14 Speculation on Spoilers
« Reply #1537 on: April 29, 2009, 07:13:49 PM »
I have never set my clock camera and would have no idea if it is right? Or suppose that is an EST visitor?
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I have been using a digital camera for at least 4 years in different time zones around the US and in at least one country foreign to me.  I have never reset the camera to match the time zone that I was visiting.  Too much trouble!

I personally would assume that the time stamp on the photo matches the timezone in which the photographer lives, if that is known.

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Re: The Amazing Race 14 Speculation on Spoilers
« Reply #1538 on: April 29, 2009, 07:33:56 PM »
Well, so much for my assumption that Tammy & Victor were out of the Race because of the sighting of them in the same area or on the same plane as Phil and the executive producer.  Looks like LaKisha & Jen are decoys, along with Christie & Jodi, Mel & Mike and Tweedle-Dum and Tweedle-Dumber (aka Mark & Michael).

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Re: The Amazing Race 14 Speculation on Spoilers
« Reply #1539 on: April 29, 2009, 07:57:47 PM »
the photo data is DateTimeOriginal : 2008:11:21 17:41:15



I'm confused now.
The race ended on Nov. 21 around 11 am ( http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,17788.msg380845.html#msg380845 )
The photo was taken Nov. 21 at 5:41 pm
If the picture is post final mat then it really doesn't spoil anything. Its just a photo of various racers enjoying some down time after the race - waiting for a taxi or something. It doesn't tell us who the final 3 are at all.

Or am I missing something here?

walkingpneumonia, with the 2 to 5 hour difference for any photographers based on the U.S. mainland, chances are that the actual Hawaiian time was 1241pm to 341pm. It is difficult to say without knowing in which time zone the camera is set.

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Re: The Amazing Race 14 Speculation on Spoilers
« Reply #1540 on: April 29, 2009, 08:21:57 PM »
Is there a disconnect somewhere?  Both Puddin and mwoden show the end date as Nov 22.  It makes sense to me that the racers would arrive in Maui a day before the end.  The lady who took the photo was waiting for their rental car.  I assume the racers were waiting for their transportation.

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Nov. 22
leg 12 return from Beijing to U.S. for Finish Line in Hawaii via Tokyo
PEK to NRT:
JL780 0825 1255
NH956 0830 1300
NW30 0900 1340
CA925 0925 1355
CA167 1325 1800
NH906 1445 1915
JL782 1520 1950
CA421 1640 2100

NRT to HNL
JO76 1845 0645+1
UA880 1945 0736+1
NW30 2000 0805  Note that this is a continuation of the ealier flight from PEK to NRT with 6 hour 20 minute layover
NW22 2055 0845+1
NH1052 2055 0915+1
JO74 2100 0900+1
JO72 2200 1000+1

Continuing on from Tokyo-Narita to Honolulu (NRT to HNL), there are 9 choices with departures between 645pm and 10pm. With the 6 hours 45 minute flying team and 5 hour time difference, these flights arrive HNL 0630 to 0950. The most logical choice to me would be UA880 NRT HNL 1925 0710+1. All these are same day due to crossing the International Date Line.

Finish Line on Maui, so teams will take a 36 or 37 minute flight Honolulu to Kahului or to Kapalua. There is at least one every hour from 5am to 9pm and several in some hours.
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EP12: Beijing, China to Maui, Hawaii (USA)
Air Date: MAY 10
Film Date: NOV 22
Tasks:
[Route Info]: Fly to Maui, Hawaii (USA)
[Route Info]: Find Surfboard Fence
[Finish Line]: Kahili Golf Course (18th Green)
Evidence: Witness at Beijing airport spots Phil flying to Hawaii and “doublemint twins”, Maui confirmed as pitstop by CBS map
Possible Teams: Cara/Jamie, Margie/Luke, Tammy/Victor

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Re: The Amazing Race 14 Speculation on Spoilers
« Reply #1541 on: April 29, 2009, 08:47:22 PM »
Is there a disconnect somewhere?  Both Puddin and mwoden show the end date as Nov 22.  It makes sense to me that the racers would arrive in Maui a day before the end.  The lady who took the photo was waiting for their rental car.  I assume the racers were waiting for their transportation.

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Nov. 22
leg 12 return from Beijing to U.S. for Finish Line in Hawaii via Tokyo
PEK to NRT:
JL780 0825 1255
NH956 0830 1300
NW30 0900 1340
CA925 0925 1355
CA167 1325 1800
NH906 1445 1915
JL782 1520 1950
CA421 1640 2100

NRT to HNL
JO76 1845 0645+1
UA880 1945 0736+1
NW30 2000 0805  Note that this is a continuation of the ealier flight from PEK to NRT with 6 hour 20 minute layover
NW22 2055 0845+1
NH1052 2055 0915+1
JO74 2100 0900+1
JO72 2200 1000+1

Continuing on from Tokyo-Narita to Honolulu (NRT to HNL), there are 9 choices with departures between 645pm and 10pm. With the 6 hours 45 minute flying team and 5 hour time difference, these flights arrive HNL 0630 to 0950. The most logical choice to me would be UA880 NRT HNL 1925 0710+1. All these are same day due to crossing the International Date Line.

Finish Line on Maui, so teams will take a 36 or 37 minute flight Honolulu to Kahului or to Kapalua. There is at least one every hour from 5am to 9pm and several in some hours.
tasks
Finish Line

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EP12: Beijing, China to Maui, Hawaii (USA)
Air Date: MAY 10
Film Date: NOV 22
Tasks:
[Route Info]: Fly to Maui, Hawaii (USA)
[Route Info]: Find Surfboard Fence
[Finish Line]: Kahili Golf Course (18th Green)
Evidence: Witness at Beijing airport spots Phil flying to Hawaii and “doublemint twins”, Maui confirmed as pitstop by CBS map
Possible Teams: Cara/Jamie, Margie/Luke, Tammy/Victor

Sorry if I'm confusing things - I was going by this post http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,17788.msg380845.html#msg380845 which says the race ended on Nov 21 in Maui. Other posts contradict it I guess. Or are we dealing with the international date line incorrectly?

Where was the lady who took the photo from? East coast? West coast?
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Re: The Amazing Race 14 Speculation on Spoilers
« Reply #1542 on: April 29, 2009, 09:11:48 PM »
Is there a disconnect somewhere?  Both Puddin and mwoden show the end date as Nov 22.  It makes sense to me that the racers would arrive in Maui a day before the end.  The lady who took the photo was waiting for their rental car.  I assume the racers were waiting for their transportation.

From Puddin :
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Nov. 22
leg 12 return from Beijing to U.S. for Finish Line in Hawaii via Tokyo
PEK to NRT:
JL780 0825 1255
NH956 0830 1300
NW30 0900 1340
CA925 0925 1355
CA167 1325 1800
NH906 1445 1915
JL782 1520 1950
CA421 1640 2100

NRT to HNL
JO76 1845 0645+1
UA880 1945 0736+1
NW30 2000 0805  Note that this is a continuation of the ealier flight from PEK to NRT with 6 hour 20 minute layover
NW22 2055 0845+1
NH1052 2055 0915+1
JO74 2100 0900+1
JO72 2200 1000+1

Continuing on from Tokyo-Narita to Honolulu (NRT to HNL), there are 9 choices with departures between 645pm and 10pm. With the 6 hours 45 minute flying team and 5 hour time difference, these flights arrive HNL 0630 to 0950. The most logical choice to me would be UA880 NRT HNL 1925 0710+1. All these are same day due to crossing the International Date Line.

Finish Line on Maui, so teams will take a 36 or 37 minute flight Honolulu to Kahului or to Kapalua. There is at least one every hour from 5am to 9pm and several in some hours.
tasks
Finish Line

From mwoden
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EP12: Beijing, China to Maui, Hawaii (USA)
Air Date: MAY 10
Film Date: NOV 22
Tasks:
[Route Info]: Fly to Maui, Hawaii (USA)
[Route Info]: Find Surfboard Fence
[Finish Line]: Kahili Golf Course (18th Green)
Evidence: Witness at Beijing airport spots Phil flying to Hawaii and “doublemint twins”, Maui confirmed as pitstop by CBS map
Possible Teams: Cara/Jamie, Margie/Luke, Tammy/Victor

We were copying from apskips timeline, the 22nd, which was wrong but now has been fixed I take it.  :lol:. We know the race ended on the 21st  :umn:

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Re: The Amazing Race 14 Speculation on Spoilers
« Reply #1543 on: April 29, 2009, 09:27:11 PM »
the photo data is DateTimeOriginal : 2008:11:21 17:41:15



I'm confused now.
The race ended on Nov. 21 around 11 am ( http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,17788.msg380845.html#msg380845 )
The photo was taken Nov. 21 at 5:41 pm
If the picture is post final mat then it really doesn't spoil anything. Its just a photo of various racers enjoying some down time after the race - waiting for a taxi or something. It doesn't tell us who the final 3 are at all.

Or am I missing something here?
Okay what if I just flat out tell you that no one in that photo is a part of the final 3?

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Re: The Amazing Race 14 Speculation on Spoilers
« Reply #1544 on: April 29, 2009, 09:37:40 PM »
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We know the race ended on the 21st

Puddin, if that's true and the date on the camera is correct, then  possibly it's just a decoy photo and not a spoiler one.  A speculative time line could be pit stop at 11 am., film for an hour or two, then go to the airport, do some decoy stuff at the airport, and then fly to Honolulu for the night.  I don't think the racers would fly home that same day.

Seeing all of the Amazing Race paraphernalia out in the open if they were arriving  seems kind of strange.  Why call attention when it's not needed?

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Re: The Amazing Race 14 Speculation on Spoilers
« Reply #1545 on: April 29, 2009, 09:39:40 PM »
The race ended on the 21st.   If it helps, the camera may be set to California time.
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Re: The Amazing Race 14 Speculation on Spoilers
« Reply #1546 on: April 29, 2009, 09:52:09 PM »
Okay what if I just flat out tell you that no one in that photo is a part of the final 3?
But. But. But... Nevermind....
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Re: The Amazing Race 14 Speculation on Spoilers
« Reply #1547 on: April 30, 2009, 01:21:49 AM »
Great find Pedaler!   :jam:


Notice that none of the decoys has a race fanny pack.   :tup:

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Re: The Amazing Race 14 Speculation on Spoilers
« Reply #1548 on: April 30, 2009, 01:52:59 AM »
Notice that none of the decoys has a race fanny pack.   :tup:

True. Great catch, Chateau. :D :tup: Kisha/Jen's could just be hidden though. Oh dammit, I'm optimistically hoping for a miracle again. Plus, Kisha doesn't look like she has a backpack and if they were in the Finals, I'd think they'd have them. Unless they did something with their bags to prevent excess baggage...gah...more false hope. Someone save me. :P That being said, I'd have preferred this Final Four MUCH more than the current one.
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Re: The Amazing Race 14 Speculation on Spoilers
« Reply #1549 on: April 30, 2009, 02:33:11 AM »
Time translations.......2008:11:21 17:41:15 camera time. If it was a Hawaiian camera, then true time is 05:41 pm

Hawaii is 2 hours behind West Coast (Pacific Time) = 15:41 or 03:41 pm. This would be actual time in Hawaii, if
                                                                                                                    camera was a West Coast camera.
Hawaii is 3 hours behind Mountain Time                  = 14:41 or 02:41 pm  This would be actual time in Hawaii, if
                                                                                                                    camera was a Mountain Zone camera
Hawaii is 4 hours behind Central Time                     = 13:42 or 01:41 pm   This would be actual time in Hawaii if,
                                                                                                                    camera was a Central Zone camera.
Hawaii is 5 hours behind Eastern Time                    = 12:41 or 12:41 pm  This would actual time in Hawaii, if
                                                                                                                   camera was an East Time Zone camera.

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