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Re: Timetables and Flight Information
« Reply #200 on: November 02, 2008, 01:57:05 PM »
I don't know, but their flight would mostly likely have been AKL SIN 2355 0645 SQ282. If they had gotten Emirates 
EK433   6:00p 6:30p AKL BNE connecting with EK433 8:00p 130a then Ty/Aja would have easily made 3K595 at 6am SIN REP, which they clelarly did not.
 



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Re: Timetables and Flight Information
« Reply #201 on: November 10, 2008, 09:59:16 AM »
I have taken another look at Delhi to Almaty flight combinations. What I show now is:

IC897 0745 0945 DEL DXB  connecting in Dubai with KC896 1120 1740 DBX ALA
TK1079 0445 0910 DEL IST connecting in Istanbul to TK1350 IST ALA 1940 0400+1

The latest gives teams these additional options:

DEL DOH QR233 0455 0655 connecting to DOH DXB QR100 0755 1000, connecting to DXB ALA KC896 1120 1740
DEL SVO SU534 0215 0615 connecting to SVO ALA KC872 0920 1645

I am thinking that the pitstop checkin times were about 12pm to 1pm for all teams; the thing that's hard to gauge is the tranportation time between the tasks, which tends in the Delhi area to be more significant a factor than task completion times. If so, then the first 3 teams after a 12 hour pitstop chould be able to get the last combination shown above through Moscow. Memory tells me that teams are obligated to visit a travel agency for international flight tickets before they will be allowed into the airport. If they are quick enough at the travel agency, Nick/Starr, Toni/Dallas and Terence/Sarah will be able to get to Almaty by 445pm. If not, the next flight gets teams in at 540pm 55 minutes later.

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Re: Timetables and Flight Information
« Reply #202 on: November 10, 2008, 07:53:40 PM »
FWIW they're all bunched up at the chicken factory (HOO 730 - 2000) for the FF clue, so I assume it's the first place they go to upon arrival.



Perhaps they get a task in Delhi first, pushing the lead teams back some? Or we could always have another slightly extended pit stop.

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Re: Timetables and Flight Information
« Reply #203 on: November 10, 2008, 08:56:08 PM »
CBS insider video "Terence and Sarah's New Friend" shows Terence talking about making the money necklace "last night". So no >24h stay in Delhi Pit Stop #1!
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Re: Timetables and Flight Information
« Reply #204 on: November 16, 2008, 09:03:32 PM »
Flights for Leg 8, Delhi to Dubai:

Nick/Starr, Toni/Dallas and Ken/Tina
Delhi to Frankfurt on LH761: 0225-0710
Frankfurt to Almaty on LH648: 1320-2350

Dan/Andrew
Delhi to Dubai on EK513: 0415-0630
Dubai to Almaty on KC898: 2255-0515
(This second flight works on Fridays, but not Thursdays. Pit Start is therefore Thursday night, 8th May. Extended Pit Stop alert!)

Terence/Sarah
Delhi to Moscow on SU536: 0430-0930
Moscow to Almaty: No idea on this. I've only got Air Astana and Transaero going this route, but nothing on the schedule fits. Ideas?
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Re: Timetables and Flight Information
« Reply #205 on: November 16, 2008, 09:16:11 PM »
So what were the teams doing on inferior flights? Were all seat taken on the good ones?

Let's start with my best one, IC897 0745 0945 DEL DXB  connecting in Dubai with KC896 1120 1740 DBX ALA. Andrew and Dan were left to go through Dubai They went on EK513 DEL DXB 0514 0630, so they were in dubai with plenty of time for that connection. That should have landed them in first place. What happened? There are 3 possible answers that I can think of. Either KC896 was fully booked or a flight booker screwed up by not knowing about it or KC896 does not fly when teams are arriving to Kazakhstan. I checked on the last possibility and that cannot be it, because KC896 flies every day of the week. There is ample connect time in Dubai and at least one alternative flight to Dubai. I think that the teams were so anxious to get going they worried about leaving first and failed to check on what connecting flight arrives first.


DEL SVO SU534 0215 0615 connecting to SVO ALA KC872 0920 1645

This was one of my alternates and also a route actually used by teams. However, they arrived at 0110+1 when they could have been in Almaty 8.5 hours earlier. What Terence/Sarah took was either SU534 above or SU536 0500 0900 DEL SVO. If the latter,  then they just miss the connection for KC872 above. They then had KC876 2200 0525+1, which puts them in at daylight but does not match the 0110 arrival time stated on ep. 8. I cannot match that.

I had no route through Frankfurt. The episode stated that 3 teams leave on Lufthansa 1320 and arrive in Almaty 2355.
My best FRA routing is LA761 0305 0650 connecting with LH648 1300 0030+1. I have no idea how LH1320 fits into the picture.

All of this would be irrelevant except that teams going through Dubai and arriving at 1740 or through Moscow and arriving 1630 would have been able to just finish the chicken farm task before Hours of Operation there through 2000 ended.


EDITOR's NOTE - I have now fingured out teth Lufthansa situation better due to screencaps provided by puddin. There is no LH1320. The departure time for LH648 was 13:20 (120pm), slightly behind when I reported it leaving. SU536 is also listed on one of those screencaps. It listed the departure time was 0450, which was close to my 0500.
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Re: Timetables and Flight Information
« Reply #206 on: November 16, 2008, 11:36:40 PM »
Hi Apskip! *what I just said*

Any idea about the Moscow to Almaty flight? Did they have to connect through Astana?
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Re: Timetables and Flight Information
« Reply #207 on: November 17, 2008, 12:13:12 AM »
Dan and Andrew spent 17 hours in Dubai, 6am to 11pm they said, if that helps I have no idea, lol

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Re: Timetables and Flight Information
« Reply #208 on: November 17, 2008, 01:58:42 AM »
Thanks Puddin.  That does help nail down the weirdness of it all.

Teams are released at 10:14, 10:24, 10:43, 11:48 pm, and midnight of May 8th

For the flights to Almaty from Delhi I get this:

Nick & Starr, Toni & Dallas and Ken & Tina leaving May 9th
Take LH761 leaving DEL at 2:25 am and arriving in FRA at 7:10 am
Take LH 648 leaving FRA at 1:20 pm and arriving in ALA at 11:50 pm on May 9th

Terence & Sara leaving May 9th  "It will be landing in Almaty at 1:20 in the night."
Take Aeroflot SU 536 leaving DEL at 4:30 am and arriving in SVO Moscow  at 9:30 am
Take Turkish Ailines TK 1414 leaving SVO at 1:40 pm and arriving in IST Istanbul at 3:55 pm
Take TK 1352  leaving IST at 5:00 pm and arriving in ALA at 1:20 am on May 10th

Dan & Andrew leaving May 9th
Take Emirates EK 513 leaving DEL at 4:15 am and arriving in DXB Dubai at 6:10 am
Take Air Astana KC 898 leaving DXB at 11:15 pm and arriving in ALA at 5:35 am on May 10th

So I definitely agree with Neobie on the extended Pit Stop.
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Re: Timetables and Flight Information
« Reply #209 on: November 17, 2008, 09:47:23 AM »
Sorry, Neobie, I worked on post #205 above  for over an hour and did not look for any other posts in the interim. I doubt that would have changed my mind about the insights I attempted to provide if I had known.

I agree with you and with Chateau that instead of releasing from Delhi on May 7 late evening they did so after a 36 hours extended pitstop the evening of May 8. That makes the Kazakhstan episode on May 9 and departure for and arrival in Moscow on May 10, when we know it is supposed to be.


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Re: Timetables and Flight Information
« Reply #210 on: November 17, 2008, 10:00:18 AM »
FLIGHTS ALMATY TO MOSCOW

The beginning of leg 9 on AR13 is on Saturday May 10. Here are the flights teams can take nonstop Almaty to Moscow-Sheremetyevo:

KC871  ALA SVO  0615 0800
UN206  ALA SVO  0730 0905
KC875  ALA SVO  1855 2045

There are also many combinations, through Astana and elsewhere, but none of them should be needed unless the first two flights above are totally booked.
« Last Edit: November 18, 2008, 09:07:32 AM by apskip »

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Re: Timetables and Flight Information
« Reply #211 on: November 25, 2008, 02:46:50 AM »
I meant to post this last night, as noted by Nick and the shirt that Starr made for him for his birthday...... which is May 11th if that helps the timeline?

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Re: Timetables and Flight Information
« Reply #212 on: November 25, 2008, 08:58:59 AM »
AR13 TIMELINE(modified Nov. 25 to take out theoretical flight possibilties and show only real flight choices)

Depending on when they arrive at LAX, teams have choices of 3 flight combinations to Salvador:

4/22, leg 1
teams were directed to:

LAX MIA AA252 1355 2142 connecting in Miami with MIA GIG 2310 1050+1 connecting Rio de Janeiro with GIG SSA G31600 1115 1220

LAX GRU UA843 1405 1005+1 with a stop in ORD from 2005 to 2132 connecting in Sao Paulo with GRU SSA JJ3154 1200 1425

tasks in Salvador; then Hours of Operation(sleeping in a tent at an army base to await staggered transportation)

4/23 tasks in Salvador

4/24  We know the elevator task in Salvador is this morning followed soon after by a pitstop.

4/25 leg 2,  choices of flight from Salvador to Fortaleza was:
SSA FOR G31642 0645 0945
followed by tasks in Fortzaleza that are complete around 1pm or slightly later;
36 Hour extended pitstop in Fortaleza ends 4/27 from about 1am to about a half hour later

4/26 pitstop continued

4/27 leg 3   FOR LPB  JJ3325  FOR GRU 0730 1130 connecting in Sao Paulo with 5L301  GRU VVI  1600 1730, then connecting in Santa Cruz with 5L211 VVI LPB 1900 2000 then teams get from Lapaz airport to outdoor sleeping area

4/28 tasks in Bolivia starting around 7am;
36 hour extended pitstop

4/29 pitstop continued

4/30  pitstop release just after midnight; start of leg 4
LAN 965  LPN SCL through Iquique  1245 1745 or
5L300  LPB VVI  0715 0815 connecting SantaCruz to 5L210  VVI EZE  1015 1500 connecting Buenos Aires to LA450  EZE SCL  1550 1710

LAN801  2245 0355+2  SCL AKL, the trans-South Pacific Crossing

5/2 leg 4
Teams do tasks on the North Island of New Zealand from 4am until pitstop checkin from 1030am until about 7pm.

5/3 and 5/4, leg 5
Teams return with a 2 hour drive to Auckland International Airport and fly out in multiple bunches from early afternoon until midnight. Choices of routes from AKL to REP (Siem Reap) are:

AKL SYD QF114 1350 1510 connecting with QF319 SYD SIN 1635 2145 and then 3K595 SIN REP 0600+1 0700+1
 
AKL BNE  EK433  1655 1835 this then continues on the same flight to Singapore with BNE SIN  EK433  2045 0150+1 and then SIN REP  3K595  0600+1 0700+1

Another route is AKL MEL 1300 1500 NZ2725  or 1615 1815 QF134

One late team(Aja/Ty) on AKL SIN  2355 0645  SQ282 connecting there with SIN BKK  SQ970  0845 1010 then BKK REP  PG905  1100 1220

5/4 continued
tasks in Siem Reap area, then extended 36 hour pitstop

5/5,
pitstop

5/6 start of leg 6
Siem Reap to Bangkok airport
PG904 REP BKK 0950 1045 .

Choice of this nonstop flights from BKK to DEL:
IC854 BKK DEL 1330 1615

arrival into downtown Delhi would be around 1800.

5/7
Delhi tasks and start of pitstop(either 12 or 36 hour)

5/8 or 5/9 leg 7 begins, Delhi area tasks;
pitstop (either 36 or 12 hour, the opposite of the length of the 5/7 pitstop)

5/9 leg 8 begins in the afternoon; Delhi to Almaty Kazakhstan
there were 3 different routes chosen, inexplicable to me based on what should have been an easy connection through Dubai that would have arrived at 1630:
Nick/Starr, Toni/Dallas and Ken/Tina
DEL FRA  LH761  0225 0710 connects FRA ALA  LH648  1320 2350

Dan/Andrew
DEL DXB  EK513 0415 0630 connects DXB ALA  KC898 2255 0515

Terence/Sarah
DEL SVO  SU536  0430-0930 connects with TK1414 SVO IST 1350 1555 connects with TK1352 IST  1725 0150+1

5/10 Almaty area tasks; pitstop

5/11 leg 9 begins; fly KC871 ALA SVO 0615 0800;
tasks in Moscow area;
extended 36 hour pitstop

5/12 pitstop continued

5/13 leg 10 begins; tasks in Moscow area; regular pitstop

5/14 leg 11, the FINISH LINE in The Rose City, Portland Oregon
0705 0825 LH3189  DME FRA
0945 1120 LH468  FRA PDX, then tasks until FINISH LINE

For any teams who are too late (due to retrieval of lost documents or due to not having enough money for the taxi ride) to make the 0705 flight, then the next best alternative is the combination
KL3105 SVO AMS 1010 1200 connecting with KL6033 AMS SEA  KL8067 1315 1435 connecting with SEA PDX 1600 1650

The connections on this flight are reasonably tight, so there is no possiblity of any other flights on the same routes to shave time. It starts 3 hours after LH3189 and it has one more connection, causing on-time arrival in Portland to be 5.5 hours behind LH648.
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Re: Timetables and Flight Information
« Reply #213 on: November 25, 2008, 11:38:37 AM »
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5/11 leg 9 begins; fly Almaty to Astana KC871 ALA SVO 0615 0800;
tasks;
extended 36 hour pitstop

Where did Moscow go??

But this is great! Those flights almost certainly could explain seeing D/A in Portland around 6...
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Re: Timetables and Flight Information
« Reply #214 on: November 25, 2008, 04:00:34 PM »
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5/11 leg 9 begins; fly Almaty to Astana KC871 ALA SVO 0615 0800;
tasks;
extended 36 hour pitstop

Where did Moscow go??

But this is great! Those flights almost certainly could explain seeing D/A in Portland around 6...
Peach, don't get excited, as what you have found was an instance of prior information not being deleted from my timeline as it should have. Flight KC671 is nonstop Almaty to Moscow-Sheremetyevo.

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Re: Timetables and Flight Information
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