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Re: The Amazing Race 13 *Spoilers Only!*
« Reply #50 on: May 04, 2008, 05:09:20 PM »
To answer the queston raised by GMAN, arrival in Melbourne would have been April 29 at 815am or 930am. If the next stop were Hobart or Adelaide, then most likely arrival there would be May 1(same with anywhere else). With travel from Hobart or Adelaide or anywhere else, most likely arrival into Siam Reap - Angkor International Airport would be on May 3. the list of daily flight arrivals there is astounding(I would have guessed just from Bangkok and maybe Singapore before knowing this). For those unfamiliar with airline timetables, 1=Monday and 7 =Sunday:

Summer schedule - From  Friday, March 28, 2008 To Thursday, October 23, 2008
Time  Origin  Weekdays  Flight  Airline  
08:30 Bangkok --3---- PG911  
 
09:00 Bangkok 1234567 PG903  
 
09:25 Vientiane -23-5-7 QV512  
 
09:30 Bangkok 1---5-- PG911  
 
09:45 Hochiminh 1234567 VN809  
 
09:50 Singapore -2-4--- MI622  
 
10:30 Nanning --3-5-7 MU745  
 
11:20 Pakse -2--5-- FT636  
 
11:35 Singapore ------7 MI616  
 
11:35 Da Nang ----5-- MI630  
 
12:00 Luang Prabang 1234567 VN869  
 
12:05 Kuala Lumpur 1--4--- MH764  
 
12:05 Pusan --3---- U4264  
 
12:20 Bangkok 1234567 PG905  
 
12:40 Hochiminh 1234567 VN827  
 
13:10 Hochiminh 1234567 VN807  
 
14:05 Seoul - Incheon 12----- U4262  
 
14:15 Luang Prabang 1--4-6- QV513  
 
14:25 Guangzhou 1-3--6- CZ3053  
 
15:55 Singapore 1----6- MI633  
 
16:30 Bangkok 1234567 PG913  
 
16:30 Hochiminh 1234567 VN823  
 
16:50 Hochiminh 1234567 VN823  
 
17:05 Hanoi 1234567 VN843  
 
17:30 Hochiminh 1234567 VN829  
 
17:35 Da Nang --3---- MI636  
 
18:10 Hochiminh 1234567 VN847  
 
18:30 Chiang Mai ---4-6- PG927  
 
18:45 Hong Kong 1---5-- FT827  
 
18:50 Hanoi 1234567 VN845  
 
19:00 Bangkok 1234567 PG907  
 
19:35 Hochiminh 1234567 VN849  
 
19:40 Bangkok 1234567 PG909  
 
19:55 Kunming 1234567 MU753  
 
20:00 Bangkok 1234567 PG909  
 
20:00 Hanoi 1234567 VN801  
 
20:35 Hochiminh 1234567 VN821  
 
20:50 Hanoi 1234567 U4232  
 
21:10 Seoul - Incheon 123456- KE687  
 
21:30 Seoul - Incheon 1234567 KE687  
 
22:55 Seoul - Incheon 1234567 OZ737  
 
23:10 Pusan -----6- U4264  
 
23:40 Seoul - Incheon ---45-- U4262  
 
Time  Origin  Weekdays  Flight  Airline  

Flights originating in Hobart would logically go through either Bangkok or Singapore to get to Siam Reap.


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Re: Timetables and Flight Information
« Reply #51 on: May 05, 2008, 07:45:22 PM »
Santiago Chile! I requested an exact date from the blogger --
eta...and I am afraid that I will have little time to write all these stories out. I have a ticket back to the States on April 30th. I will be flying out of Santiago, Chile.




Monday, May 5, 2008
My flight out of Santiago-

 
Sometimes people make foolish mistakes that have small consequences and other mistakes can be quite costly, I made one of the costly ones last week. I booked a ticket from Santiago to Oklahoma, the ticket was $450, all the other flights were around a thousand dollars, so of course I booked the cheaper flight, when I showed up to the airport in Santiago I went to check in and the flight was not on the board, and the counter did not upon for 8 hours, so I asked a service personal and she said that she had never heard of the flight number. So I went to the airlines office and then I found out that I had booked a flight from Santiago Dominican Republic and not Santiago Chile,   ! And as a special bonus the several teams from the Amazing Race through the airport while I was there.

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Re: Timetables and Flight Information
« Reply #52 on: May 06, 2008, 07:22:36 AM »
Looks like Bangkok Airways runs all the flights from Siem Reap to Bangkok. Can't really figure out when Bangkok Airport blogger saw the teams, so dumping this info here before we make sense of it all:

PG924: 0950 to 1045
PG906: 1250 to 1400
PG914: 1400 to 1510
PG928: 1930 to 2040 (Thursdays & Saturdays only)
PG912: 1930 to 2025 (Mondays, Wednesdays & Fridays only)
PG908: 1935 to 2045
PG910: 2020 to 2130
PG910: 2015 to 2125

Siem Reap Airways has flights from Bangkok to Siem Reap, but not the other way round. Thinking they go through Phnom Penh first before going back to Thailand...



I have Air India, Jet Airways and Thai Airways running direct from Bangkok to Delhi, and many many connecting flights that go through Mumbai. So far I've only found two direct flights:

AI9854: 1335 to 1615
TG315: 1745 to 2045
9W63: 1825 to 2130

From Bangkok to Mumbai (which involves a backtrack):

9W61: 0840 to 1145
AI9694: 0840 to 1110 (Mondays & Saturdays)
AI9694: 1625 to 1900 (Everyday but Mondays & Saturdays)
AI6317: 1845 to 2155
TG317: 1845 to 2155 (codeshare?)

and from Bangkok to Kolkata:

9W65: 0940 to 1040
TG313: 2345 to 0045
AI6313: 2345 to 0045 (codeshare?)
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Re: Timetables and Flight Information
« Reply #53 on: May 06, 2008, 09:19:26 AM »
TIMETABLE through Angkor Wat, Cambodia leg

AR13 TIMETABLE - first two legs

Depending on when they arrive at LAX, teams have choices of 3 flight combinations to Sao Paulo:

4/22
LAX DFW AA2446 1250 1740 connecting in Dallas with DFW GRU AA963 1945 0750+1 (Note: first to arrive if on schedule)

LAX MIA AA252 1355 2142 connecting in Miami with MIA GRU 2330 0830+1 (Note: second to arrive if on schedule)

LAX GRU UA843 1405 1005+1 with a stop in ORD from 2005 to 2132 (Note: third and last to arrive)

4/23
This means that the tasks in Sao Paulo will have to take until after noon at the very least and that with a 12 hour pitstop it will be after midnight when teams are released.

4/24
There are numerous 2 1/4 hour nonstop flights from Sao Paulo to Salvador. However, choices are limited to the first 2 daily by virtue of the sighting of teams descending the exterior of the elevator just after 9am on 4/24. Those who were sighted could only be on this flight:

G3 1816 GRU SSA 0410 0625

Later teams could be on G31982 GRU SSA 0735 0950, but they will be quite a bit later to the elevator.

4/26
We do not know where teams go next. It could be Fortaleza, Recife, Manaus, Brasilia, LaPaz, Santacruz, Asuncion or elsewhere.

4/28
What we are sure of is that teams end up at Santiago Chile airport on this evening.

LAN801 2245 0355+2 SCL AKL

then either QF26 0615 0815 AKL MEL  or NZ7 0740 0930 AKL MEL

4/30
sightings of Amazing Race banners in downtown Melbourne in the afternoon

5/2
departure needed to head north to Cambodia

MEL SYD QF415 0715 0830
SYD BKK TG994 1000 1625
connecting in Bangkok to PG907 BKK REP 1740 1900 or PG909 BKK REP 1920 1940

or

MEL SIN SQ238 1010 1605
SIN BKK SG978 1800 1925

5/3
overnight in Bangkok, then BKK REP PG903 0800 0900
This separation could be mostly neutralized by hourus of operation if WRP wishes.
connecting in Bangkok to

Angkor Wat, Cambodia

What is clear at the end of this leg is that teams have completed 5 legs(3 South America, one Australia, one Cambodia).


5/4
Siem Reap to Bangkok airport
Most probable flights out will be PG904 REP BKK 0950 1045 or PG906 REP BKK 1250 1400 although there are 3 more later.

Bangkok airport to Delhi
Choice of these 3 nonstop flights:
IC854 BKK DEL 1330 1615 or
TG315 1745 2045 or
9W 063 1825 2130



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Re: Timetables and Flight Information
« Reply #54 on: May 06, 2008, 10:39:33 AM »
TIMETABLE through Angkor Wat, Cambodia leg
 

4/26
We do not know where teams go next. It could be Fortaleza, Recife, Manaus, Brasilia, LaPaz, Santacruz, Asuncion or elsewhere.

4/28
What we are sure of is that teams end up at Santiago Chile airport on this evening.


LAN801 2245 0355+2 SCL AKL

then either QF26 0615 0815 AKL MEL  or NZ7 0740 0930 AKL MEL

4/30
sightings of Amazing Race banners in downtown Melbourne in the afternoon

 

Yeah but the blogger in Santiago wrote that his ticket out of Santiago to Oklahoma was for April 30th but we are trying to get confirmation so to say the 28th how are you sure apskips? I'm not taking the Melbourne sighting as gospel.


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Re: Timetables and Flight Information
« Reply #55 on: May 06, 2008, 05:40:32 PM »
I am sure of how long it takes to fly from Santiago to Auckland, of when LAN801 is scheudled to leave and when it is scheduled to arrive. All the rest is speculation based on the blog of the 4/30 afternoon sigthing in Melbourne. It does not have to be so. Having the leg be on the North Island of New Zealand is very possible. Now I am going to consult an Amazing Race fan who lives in Devonport(northern suburb of Auckland where the infamous girl on swing task of ARA1 episode 4 was), my very own sister. Maybe she can help.

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Re: Timetables and Flight Information
« Reply #56 on: May 06, 2008, 09:51:01 PM »
I am sure of how long it takes to fly from Santiago to Auckland, of when LAN801 is scheudled to leave and when it is scheduled to arrive. All the rest is speculation based on the blog of the 4/30 afternoon sigthing in Melbourne. It does not have to be so. Having the leg be on the North Island of New Zealand is very possible. Now I am going to consult an Amazing Race fan who lives in Devonport(northern suburb of Auckland where the infamous girl on swing task of ARA1 episode 4 was), my very own sister. Maybe she can help.

Melbourne should be a no-starter since the teams were in Santiago, Chile on April 30.  So they must have left the evening of April 30 and with the IDL they should arrive in NZ on May 2.  And then we have them in Cambodia on May 3.  So time lines are getting squeezed unless dates are wrong.

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Re: Timetables and Flight Information
« Reply #57 on: May 06, 2008, 10:23:23 PM »
My response to this is on the SPOILERS thread!

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Re: Timetables and Flight Information
« Reply #58 on: May 06, 2008, 10:30:56 PM »
If teams left Santiago on April 30, they cannot arrive in Auckland until May 2. They have to be in Siem Reap that evening in order to be at Angkor Wat the following morning. There is no possibility of any leg in New Zealand or Australia.

*If* we assumed for the moment that there maybe was no leg in NZ or Australia, how does this leave the schedule as far as getting down to 6 teams (or maybe 7 if one was on a FF/way behind) after leaving Cambodia? Would there be a big enough gap in South America for an extra leg before the 30th?

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Re: Timetables and Flight Information
« Reply #59 on: May 06, 2008, 10:48:29 PM »
*If* we assumed for the moment that there maybe was no leg in NZ or Australia, how does this leave the schedule as far as getting down to 6 teams (or maybe 7 if one was on a FF/way behind) after leaving Cambodia? Would there be a big enough gap in South America for an extra leg before the 30th?

We lost them for 6 days if we think that the tasks in Bahia de Salvador ended on the 25th of April give or take, I'm leaning towards them leaving Bahia on the 25th.

http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,15356.msg299800.html#msg299800


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Re: Timetables and Flight Information
« Reply #60 on: May 07, 2008, 12:26:48 AM »
Thanks to Jason, Justin, GeorgiaPeach and Apskip we have narrowed it down to this!

Teams were spotted in Santiago on the night of Tuesday the 30th, and have to be in Siem Reap by the morning of Sunday the 4th (working backwards from the afternoon sighting on the Tonle Sap). Given the confirmation of the Santiago spoiler and a refutal of the Melbourne one, shifting the timeline to two days later, does that still leave enough time for a leg in the middle?

I found only one Pacific flight leaving on the night of the 30th from Santiago airport, and this is the same as in apskip's post for flights leaving on the 28th:

From Santiago to Auckland
LA801/QF322: 2245 (Wed night) to 0355 (Fri morning)
From Auckland to Sydney
LA801/QF322: 0525 (Fri morning) to 0705 (Fri morning)

1) All teams take the same flight to Auckland on Wednesday night.
2) They would have spent eight days, for at least three legs, in South America (23-30 April inclusive).


If teams are headed directly to Siem Reap from Santiago, they'd do best through Bangkok:

From Sydney to Bangkok
TG994: 1000 (Fri morning) to 1625 (Fri afternoon)
From Bangkok to Siem Reap
PG907: 1740 (Fri evening) to 1900 (Fri night)

But in this scenario, they would be spending five days in the same city (and not a very big one at that). I draw the conclusion that...

3) Yes, there probably is one, but only one, intermediate leg between Santiago and Siem Reap.



Following the other lead: since there were six boats on the Tonle Sap and six teams were sighted on the flight to Bangkok, this probably means that:

4) The Pit Stop was probably a non-elimination. (But what happened to the African-Americans?)
5) Teams are bunched on the first flight on Tuesday 6 May.
6) They are released at night from the Pit Stop (not in time to catch the last flight at 2015), indicating an afternoon finish on the previous leg (ending Monday 5 May).


From Siem Reap to Bangkok
PG924: 0950 to 1030 (confirmed through Jason)

From Bangkok to Delhi (from apskip's earlier post)
IC854: 1330 to 1615 (most likely the case, from Jason's information)
TG315: 1745 to 2045
9W63: 1825 to 2130

Connecting through Mumbai would get the teams in earliest 2215. Not top choice for the teams.

7) No matter what flights they end up on, teams will arrive in Delhi the afternoon/night of Tuesday 6 May, and will probably run most of the leg the next day.



The bottom line:
Tue 22 April - Teams leave from LAX for Sao Paulo.
Wed 23 April to Tue 29 April - Teams spend at least three legs in South America.
Wed 30 April - Teams depart Santiago on the night of the 30th for Auckland, possibly onwards to Sydney.
Thr 1 May - Disappears due to the Date Line.
Fri 2 May to Sat 3 May - Teams participate in an unidentified leg.
Sun 4 May - Teams, very possibly arriving in Cambodia the morning, head to the Tonle Sap.
Mon 5 May - Teams run a Cambodia leg and have a Pit Stop in the afternoon, departing late at night.
Tue 6 May - Teams spend the day travelling to Delhi, arriving in the late afternoon/night.
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Re: Timetables and Flight Information
« Reply #61 on: May 07, 2008, 09:31:44 AM »
Neobie I love you!

But Justin did think teams left Santiago in 2 waves....and thought that the first batch was gone by 7-ish? Or perhaps he just didn't see them in the airport again?
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Re: Timetables and Flight Information
« Reply #62 on: May 07, 2008, 09:45:33 AM »
Grabbing this off Santiago Airport's website...

Intl flights from 1700 to 1800: Florianopolis, Rio de Janeiro
Intl flights from 1800 to 1900: Toronto, Frankfurt, Buenos Aires, Madrid
Intl flights from 1900 to 2000: Buenos Aires
Intl flights from 2000 to 2100: Buenos Aires, New York, Lima, Rio de Janeiro, Sao Paulo, Miami
Intl flights from 2100 to 2200: Los Angeles, Lima, Dallas
Intl flights from 2200 to 2300: Auckland, Sydney

The Los Angeles through to Asia option is probably too late for a 7pm departure.

Apskip mentioned upthread about AR1182, from Buenos Aires to Auckland, departing 2359 and arriving two days later at 0440. But that's later than the 0355 arrival for our direct flight to Auckland...
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Re: Timetables and Flight Information
« Reply #63 on: May 07, 2008, 09:50:55 AM »
Could our African-American team be AHEAD?

If teams were gone by 8 when Justin left--how else could they go? He also mentioned Buenos Aires as having lots of flights.

And thinking WAY outside the box--what about other places for our leg entirely? Hawaii, Philippines, Anywhere? :lol:

I have to be away til evening but will try to ask Justin times again today. I have faith that y'all will have this all figured out by tonight for me to see!!  :kuss:
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Re: Timetables and Flight Information
« Reply #64 on: May 07, 2008, 10:11:34 AM »
"Insane route" and "Santiago, Chile" got me thinking... Easter Island?

From Santiago to Easter Island
LA833: 1645 to 2025

Does Justin know whether international flights are separated from domestic flights where he saw the teams?

And even if this doesn't fit in between Santiago and Siem Reap, could it be one of the missing South American legs?
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Re: Timetables and Flight Information
« Reply #65 on: May 07, 2008, 10:16:53 AM »
Hi all

today is a good day to check departures from Santiago as it is exactly a week from when the teams were spotted.

Peach  when Justin said teams were gone by 7ish did he mean to their flights, or into the departures lounge.

I am agreeing that the flights to either Sydney or Auckland seem the most feasible.

Attached is a list of flights leaving santiago tonight

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Re: Timetables and Flight Information
« Reply #66 on: May 07, 2008, 10:21:09 AM »
According to the list above, are we sure that they are leaving South America from Santiago. Couldn't Santiago just be the departure city, as they could have flown to Lima or Buenos Aires before leaving South America. Los Angeles could be a long shot also, but it seems like that would take way too long.

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Re: Timetables and Flight Information
« Reply #67 on: May 07, 2008, 10:31:18 AM »
Looked up Wikipedia (you know how reliable that is)...

No flights from Rio, Lima or Florianopolis to the Asia/Pacific. Sao Paulo has a flight to Tokyo through New York, and a flight to Beijing through Madrid, but these are probably too far-fetched?

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Re: Timetables and Flight Information
« Reply #68 on: May 07, 2008, 01:20:03 PM »
No, Neobie, actually not too far-fetched but inefficient. Here are some diverse flight information that relates to the many questions before us:

1. How long from Auckland to Bangkok? Can it be done without stopping in Australia? 14 hours(starting from when the most efficient routing leaves Auckland, not when the connection coming in from Santiago would ideally be ready to support) and NO.

QF190  AKL SYD 1225 1450
QF 301 SYD BKK 1655 2315 Note that this gets in way too late to connect in to Siem Reap. a layover until morning is required.

If you combine this with the 4am arrival of LAN801 into AKL(13 hours flying time), you have an 8 hour layover, then the 14 hours here and the total is 35 hours.

2. What is another fast way of getting from South America to Bangkok?

That would be the Buenos Aires to CapeTown to Johannesburg to Kuala Lumpur routing:

EZE CPT 2020 0900
CPT JNB 1015 1215
JNB KUL 1340 0540
KUL BKK 0750 0900

This takes 25 hours in transit.
If you add in Santiago to Buenos Aires at the front end, then you add SCL EZE 1410 1705 and another 6 hours for a total of 31 hours.

Due to the layover needed in Auckland, the efficient connections of this route make it quicker than the trans-SouthPacific route.

3, What about a transNorthPacific route? This can be done from either EZE via JFK or SCL via DFW and on to Tokyo-Narita. The times are:

EZE JFK 2020 0605
JFK NRT 1150 1430+1

SCL DFW 2115 0610
DFW NRT 1225 1505+1

then either one goes NRT BKK 1850 2355

This is 40 hours from Buenos Aires or 39 hours from Santiago, neither one of which is remotely competitive. Scratch these as possibilities.

4. My Conclusions:
If the goal were to get from Santiago to Bangkok in the quickest possible way, then they should have gone via South Africa. However, I think Bertram van Munster wanted to do something daring and unexpected, something that nobody would ever think he could do. The transSouthPacific route means that criterion perfectly and that's why I think it's what was actually done. I actually envisioned a leg in New Zealand or Australia. Who knows? It may have happened. If they went straight through to Bangkok, then I can say one thing with high probability. World Race Prodcutions will have scheduled in a REST DAY on either side of the Pacific so that teams are not totally burned out. It may have been in Santiago or just before it and it may also have been in Bangkok. I doubt that it was in Siem Reap where it is harder to get lost in a crowd.



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Re: Timetables and Flight Information
« Reply #69 on: May 07, 2008, 03:03:43 PM »
Are flights to Cambodia only possible via Bangkok, or could Singapore be another possible transit point on the way to Siem Reap?

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Re: Timetables and Flight Information
« Reply #70 on: May 07, 2008, 03:14:17 PM »
Ap? This is your department. My father went to Siem Reap a few years ago and I do recall he went through Hong Kong and Phnom Penh.
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Re: Timetables and Flight Information
« Reply #71 on: May 07, 2008, 03:24:23 PM »
According to wikipedia:

The town is 7 km from the Siem Reap-Angkor International Airport (IATA code REP). Siem Reap is accessible by direct flights from Phnom Penh, Sihanoukville, Singapore, Bangkok, Kuala Lumpur, Vientiane, Luang Prabang, Hanoi, Ho Chi Minh City, Da Nang, Hong Kong, Seoul-Incheon, Pusan, Kunming, Kaohsiung and Taipei, and by land from Phnom Penh and the Thai border. Itís also accessible by boat and bus from Phnom Penh.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siem_Reap

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Re: Timetables and Flight Information
« Reply #72 on: May 07, 2008, 05:05:23 PM »
According to wikipedia:

The town is 7 km from the Siem Reap-Angkor International Airport (IATA code REP). Siem Reap is accessible by direct flights from Phnom Penh, Sihanoukville, Singapore, Bangkok, Kuala Lumpur, Vientiane, Luang Prabang, Hanoi, Ho Chi Minh City, Da Nang, Hong Kong, Seoul-Incheon, Pusan, Kunming, Kaohsiung and Taipei, and by land from Phnom Penh and the Thai border. Itís also accessible by boat and bus from Phnom Penh.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siem_Reap

Thanks for that info Redwings :tup:
I was getting confused when only Bangkok kept getting mentioned. Many of those places listed have direct flights from either Aussie or NZ, so I guess most of them have been ruled out already simply cos they don't depart/arrive at the right time of day

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Re: Timetables and Flight Information
« Reply #73 on: May 07, 2008, 06:44:47 PM »
I've looked at flights through Singapore, but the earliest they can get into Siem Reap is on Saturday late afternoon, almost a day behind the Bangkok flight.

But I think what we should look at is whether teams go directly from Santiago to Siem Reap, as opposed to having a leg in between. The latter is probably the case given the speed in which teams can actually get there; even if there were earlier flights through other cities, taking the Bangkok option would leave racers about two days idle before they're actually spotted in Cambodia.

It's a type of proving by disproving, I guess?
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Re: Timetables and Flight Information
« Reply #74 on: May 07, 2008, 06:59:53 PM »
Neobies awake  :jumpy:

I know peach is lurking around here somewhere maybe she can confirm that Justin said that teams arrived dirty & exhausted at the Santiago airport which may mean they needed a rest day afterwards?


 

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