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Re: Timetables and Flight Information
« Reply #25 on: April 25, 2008, 03:31:42 PM »
Here is something I find really exciting. There are 2 nonstop Transpacific flights from South America to Auckland, New Zealand. The first is from Santiago, LA841 SCL AKL 2245 0355+2. the second, surprisingly, is from Buenos Aires, AR1182 EZE AKL 2359 0440+2.

This means that AR13 teams could come out of South America going east to west even though my evaluation of the probabilities indicates they will go to Europe and not to South Africa.


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Re: Timetables and Flight Information
« Reply #26 on: April 25, 2008, 06:38:28 PM »
To get to their first destination (Sao Paulo) , teams leaving LAX mid-day Tuesday on American Airlines would have used one of these flights:

1) via Dallas
LAX to DFW on AA 2300, takeoff 10:45 am, arrives 3:45 pm.
or
LAX to DFW on AA 2157, takeoff 11:55 am, arrives 4:55 pm.
or
LAX to DFW on AA 2446, takeoff 12:50 pm, arrives 5:40 pm.
or
LAX to DFW on AA 2448,   takeoff 1:25 pm, arrives 6:29 pm.
and
DFW to GRU on AA 963,  takeoff   7:45 pm, arrives 7:50 am Wednesday.

2) via New York
LAX to JFK on AA 40, takeoff 10:45 am, arrives 7:15 pm.
or
LAX to JFK on AA 4, takeoff 12:00 noon, arrives 8:30 pm.
and
JFK to GRU on AA 951, takeoff 9:30 pm, arrives 8:00 am Wednesday.

3) via Lima
LAX to LIM on AA 7734, takeoff 1:20 pm, arrives 11:55 pm.
or
LAX to LIM on AA 5606, takeoff 1:50 pm, arrives 12:25 am Wednesday.
and
LIM to GRU on LAN 765, takeoff 1:35 am, arrives 8:25 am Wednesday.

4) via Miami
LAX to MIA on AA 1520, takeoff 12:00 noon, arrives 7:50 pm.
or
LAX to MIA on AA 252, takeoff 1:55 pm, arrives 9:42 pm.
and
MIA to GRU on AA 995, takeoff 11:30 pm, arrives 8:30 am Wednesday.

And teams leaving LAX mid-day Tuesday on United Airlines would have used one of these flights:

1) via Chicago
LAX to ORD on UA 114, takeoff 12:04 pm, arrives 6:07 pm.
or
LAX to ORD on UA 843, takeoff 2:05 pm, arrives 8:05 pm.
and
ORD to GRU on UA 843, takeoff 9:32 pm, arrives 10:05 am.

2) via Washington DC
LAX to IAD on UA 862, takeoff 12:54 pm, arrives 8:50 pm.
and
IAD to GRU on UA 861, takeoff 9:43 pm, arrives 8:20 am Wednesday.

The sighting of a racer in Chicago rules out the Washington DC option.

So it looks like the AA flight combination is the one that the teams should try to secure.  The United flight through Chicago arrives about an hour and a half to two hours later than the American route depending which one it turns out to be.

Fixed the pm thing.  Thanks Apskip
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Re: Timetables and Flight Information
« Reply #27 on: April 25, 2008, 07:05:52 PM »
Chateau, I am certain that you have a typo for your first UA arrival time in GRU. It should be 1005am, not pm.

Congratulations on fabulous detective work! You are one of the few Senior Detectives in the Los Angeles area and you have done us proud.

I can further state that my research on the American and United offical timetable websites indicates that all of the 6 basic itineraries you have developed are valid except for the one through JFK. There is ample connect time for AA there and the departure and arrival times are reasonable for AR13's purposes, but AA has not listed that connection along with their other 3 as one that they want people to book. You can certainly force it together with the individual flights, but AA reservations agents at the Amazing Race ticketing/check-in area are going to be controlling the action and they typically have access to only some of the possible routes. I am pretty sure that the JFK routing will not have been among them.
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Re: Timetables and Flight Information
« Reply #28 on: April 25, 2008, 07:18:56 PM »
well done to chataeu!!! :yess:
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Re: Timetables and Flight Information
« Reply #29 on: April 25, 2008, 07:34:08 PM »
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I can further state that my research on the American and United offical timetable websites indicates that all of the 6 basic itineraries you have developed are valid except for the one through JFK.

Well that's odd.  Travelocity has them!

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Re: Timetables and Flight Information
« Reply #30 on: April 25, 2008, 09:24:47 PM »
Okay, re airport filming:

No official sanctioning for Chicago or Dallas....BUT if they turn off the cameras and don't film while they are transiting--they don't need airport permits.

Dulles and JFK-- can't reach the right person till Monday.

Interestingly, Miami was being permitted until "there was a schedule change" in the last couple of weeks and they cancelled...  were they really going to start there? Sounded like they thought so! ;)
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Re: Timetables and Flight Information
« Reply #31 on: April 27, 2008, 08:41:37 PM »
Okay, re airport filming:
Interestingly, Miami was being permitted until "there was a schedule change" in the last couple of weeks and they cancelled...  were they really going to start there? Sounded like they thought so! ;)

miami was changed last minute due to production difficulties with the airlines. aka no second flight avalible.

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Re: Timetables and Flight Information
« Reply #32 on: April 27, 2008, 08:45:17 PM »
If the race started filming on April 22nd wouldn't the teams be leaving brazil soon?

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Re: Timetables and Flight Information
« Reply #33 on: April 27, 2008, 09:38:35 PM »
Michael, it depends on what their route is. If it is this:

4/23 Brasilia
4/25 Salvador
4/26 Recife
4/28 Manaus

then they might be leaving on Tuesday. If they had one less stop then they could have left today or be leaving tomorrow. If they went to Iguassu Falls and then to Paraguay and Bolivia, then they are long gone from Brazil. We just don't know at this point.
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Re: Timetables and Flight Information
« Reply #34 on: April 27, 2008, 09:53:10 PM »
Michael, it depends on what their route is. If it is this:

4/23 Brasilia
4/25 Salvador
4/26 Recife
4/28 Recife

then they might be leaving on Tuesday. If they had one less stop then they could have left today or be leaving tomorrow. If they went to Iguassu Falls and then to Paraguay and Bolivia, then they are long gone from Brazil. We just don't know at this point.

Thanks apskip :D

I'm sure we'll hear something sooner or later


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Re: Timetables and Flight Information
« Reply #35 on: April 28, 2008, 03:02:23 PM »
Michael, it depends on what their route is. If it is this:

4/23 Brasilia
4/25 Salvador
4/26 Recife
4/28 Recife

then they might be leaving on Tuesday. If they had one less stop then they could have left today or be leaving tomorrow. If they went to Iguassu Falls and then to Paraguay and Bolivia, then they are long gone from Brazil. We just don't know at this point.

Thanks apskip :D

I'm sure we'll hear something sooner or later

If they end up in Recife the teams could fly to the Cape Verde Islands via TACV (The Cape Verde national airline) with direct flights to Praia (RAI).  That would add some new locations to the TAR scheme of things.

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Re: Timetables and Flight Information
« Reply #36 on: April 28, 2008, 03:48:41 PM »
Not that I consider it important, but the information that I have about TACV is that it makes the below flights to either Sal or Santiago isalnds. Fortaleza is shown for 3 tiems per week service to santiago and one to Sal, but Recife in not listed at all. Dakar has daily service and you can connect in from Guinea Bissau, but as pointed out previously who would want to? You can backtrack over a thousand miles from several European capital cities; again, who would want to? The most interesting possiblity is a once a week flight in from Las Palmas, Grand Canary Island. Here are all TACV flights in:

CAPE VERDE ISLANDS - GETTING THERE
ROUTES
Charter Flights 
London Gatwick

Manchester

Birmingham
 London Gatwick to Sal

Every Monday and Friday

Manchester to Sal
Every Tuesday

Birmingham to Sal
Every Friday
Starts 7 November 2008

London Gatwick to BoaVista
Every Friday
Starts 7 November 2008
 
London Gatwick or Manchester
to the island of Sal   

London Gatwick to Sal/Boavista
Every Thursday commencing 10 July

Manchester to Sal
Every Wednesday
Commencing 5 June
 
 UK Departures
via, Paris, Amsterdam or Lisbon from........Dublin
to the island of Sal. 
Using Aer Lingus and TACV Cape Verde airlines on a Thursday via Amsterdam, a Wednesday and Friday via Paris, or daily via Lisbon depending on the season

London Heathrow or London Gatwick
via Lisbon
to the islands of Sal Santiago and Boavista Currently operates daily
using TAP Air Portugal and TACV Cape Verde airlines

Lisbon to Boavista commences every Monday from 7 July 2008
 
Amsterdam
to the island of Sal 

Amsterdam to Sal
Every Sunday
 
Paris
to the islands of Sal and Santiago 

Paris to Sal
Every Friday

Paris to Santiago
Every Monday

Lisbon
to the island of Sal
 
Currently operates daily
TACV Cape Verde airlines.

Madrid
to the island of Sal
 
Madrid to Sal
Every Thursday
Commencing 10 July - 2 October

Oporto
to the island of Sal
 
Oporto to Sal
Every Thursday
Commencing 12 July - 13 September

Lisbon
to the island of
Santiago 

Lisbon to Santiago
Currently operates several times a week

Dakar
to the island of Santiago

Currently operates daily using TACV Cape Verde airlines.
 
Gran Canaria
to the island of Santiago 

Las Palmas to Santiago
Every Wednesday
 
Banjul (Gambia)
to the island of Santiago

Banjul to Santiago

Every Monday and Wednesday (via Dakar)

Fortaleza
to the islands of Sal and Santiago
Fortaleza to Sal
Every Saturday

Fortaleza to Santiago
Every Monday, Friday and Sunday

Boston (USA)
to the island of Santiago
Boston to Santiago
Every Wednesday

Guinea Bissau
to the island of Santiago

Guinea Bissau to Santiago
Currently operates every Thursday, Saturday and Sunday (via Dakar)

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Re: Timetables and Flight Information
« Reply #37 on: April 28, 2008, 10:45:32 PM »
Won't help TAR, but TACV service between RAI and Recife won't start until September 2008.  But they do fly twice weekly to Fortaleza.

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« Reply #38 on: April 30, 2008, 10:01:57 AM »
It is quite easy to get from Sao Paulo(GRU) to Salvador de Bahia (SSA) with 8 non-stop daily and 2 one stop in Rio daily on TAM (The domestic Brazilian Airline).  Non-stop departing times and arrival times:

DEPART                                     ARRIVE

08.30                                         10.55
10:35                                         12.55
13.30                                          15.50
16.00                                          18.25
19.15                                           21.30
19.35                                           22.00
22.30                                           00.55
23.59                                           02.20

If the picture on the tower climb was taken on Apr.24 at 11:35AM, the teams could have taken the 08.30 flight after spending the day (Apr. 23) and evening in Sao Paulo (or thereabouts).  So the end of the first leg could have ended in the late afternoon; then a 12-hour pit stop; and teams leaving April 24 between  4:00AM and 7:00AM to catch the 08.30 flight to SSA.

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Re: Timetables and Flight Information
« Reply #39 on: April 30, 2008, 02:57:13 PM »
Flight Information for Selected Intra-Brazil City Pairs

SSA (Salvador) to REC (Recife) via Gol Transportes Aereos or TAM Lineas Aereas

1100 1210
1258 1408
1645 1755
1900 2015
2150 2300

SSA MAO (Manaus)
0915 1335 JJ 3304

SSA FOR (Fortaleza)
1130 1310 JJ 8003
2250 2355 G3 1604
0645 0940 G3 1642
1645 1940 JJ 3892
1940 2210 JJ 3894

SSA Belem - few long flights with lots of stops

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Re: Timetables and Flight Information
« Reply #40 on: April 30, 2008, 09:28:35 PM »
Flight Information for Selected Intra-Brazil City Pairs

SSA (Salvador) to REC (Recife) via Gol Transportes Aereos or TAM Lineas Aereas

1100 1210
1258 1408
1645 1755
1900 2015
2150 2300

SSA MAO (Manaus)
0915 1335 JJ 3304

SSA FOR (Fortaleza)
1130 1310 JJ 8003
2250 2355 G3 1604
0645 0940 G3 1642
1645 1940 JJ 3892
1940 2210 JJ 3894

SSA Belem - few long flights with lots of stops


This works out nicely.  Teams finish leg 2 in Salvador de Bahia on Friday, April 25, Fly to Fortaleza, and then catch the weekly TACV   flight to Cape Verde Islands  on Saturday!

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Re: Timetables and Flight Information
« Reply #41 on: May 01, 2008, 06:55:58 AM »
GMAN,
Or they could wait until Sunday April 27 and fly to Santiago Island, which is bigger and has the capital of Praia and many more flights out. That assumes that they didn't go to Melbourne, Australia on my long-shot Trans-Pacific flights from Santiago Chile or Buenos Aires as has been rumored.

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Re: Timetables and Flight Information
« Reply #42 on: May 01, 2008, 10:35:01 AM »
apskip, the Sunday flight might be a better bet than Saturday.  But would TPTB put all their marbles on one flight; one flight a week?  Might be a little risky.  So who knows where they go next from Salvador de Bahia. :duno:

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« Reply #43 on: May 01, 2008, 10:14:51 PM »
For all of you who have been dying to know, here is how you do Salvador, Brazil to Melbourne, Australia:

choice of these connections to Santiago -
G3 1887 SSA GRU 1245 1530
JJ 8800  GRU SCL  1635 1950
or
JJ 3173 SSA GRU 1335 1600
G37456 GRU SCL 1750 2235

OR choice of these connections to Buenos Aires -
G3 1979 SSA GRU 1530 1800
JJ 8004 GRU EZE   1910 2200
or
JJ 3849 SSA GRU   1055 1315
RG8634 GRU EZE  1545 1835

Connecting to LAN841 SCL AKL 2245 0355+2  OR  AR1182 EZE AKL 2359 0440+2

Connecting flights  AKL MEL are QF26 0615 0815 or NZ7 0740 0930. This was tricky for me because when I put in Melbourne, Australia it gave me 2 choices, MEL Tullamarine Airport(the main airport there) and MLB Melbourne(but Florida, which really screwed me up until I figured out why it was taking 29 hours to get a relatively short distance).


  

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Re: Timetables and Flight Information
« Reply #44 on: May 02, 2008, 01:15:04 PM »
AR13 TIMETABLE - first two legs

Depending on when they arrive at LAX, teams have choices of 3 flight combinations to Sao Paulo:

4/22
LAX DFW AA2446 1250 1740 connecting in Dallas with DFW GRU AA963 1945 0750+1 (Note: first to arrive if on schedule)

LAX MIA AA252 1355 2142 connceting in Miami with MIA GRU 2330 0830+1 (Note: second to arrive if on schedule)

LAX GRU UA843 1405 1005+1 with a stop in ORD from 2005 to 2132 (Note: third and last to arrive)

4/23
This means that the tasks in Sao Paulo will have to take until after noon at the very least and that with a 12 hour pitstop it will be after midnight when teams are released.

4/24
There are numerous 2 1/4 hour nonstop flights from Sao Paulo to Salvador. However, choices are limited to the first 2 daily by virtue of the sighting of teams descending the exterior of the elevator just after 9am on 4/24. Those who were sighted could only be on this flight:

G3 1816 GRU SSA 0410 0625

Later teams could be on G31982 GRU SSA 0735 0950, but they will be quite a bit later to the elevator.


 

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Re: Timetables and Flight Information
« Reply #45 on: May 02, 2008, 02:34:18 PM »
The times fit because we have two teams sighted at around 9:30AM on April 24 and another team (in the picture) at 11:35AM.  Looks like this would be the first task in Salvador da Bahia.

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« Reply #46 on: May 02, 2008, 11:37:23 PM »
The times fit because we have two teams sighted at around 9:30AM on April 24 and another team (in the picture) at 11:35AM.  Looks like this would be the first task in Salvador da Bahia.

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« Reply #47 on: May 02, 2008, 11:39:14 PM »
AR13 TIMETABLE - first two legs

Depending on when they arrive at LAX, teams have choices of 3 flight combinations to Sao Paulo:

4/22
LAX DFW AA2446 1250 1740 connecting in Dallas with DFW GRU AA963 1945 0750+1 (Note: first to arrive if on schedule)

LAX MIA AA252 1355 2142 connceting in Miami with MIA GRU 2330 0830+1 (Note: second to arrive if on schedule)

LAX GRU UA843 1405 1005+1 with a stop in ORD from 2005 to 2132 (Note: third and last to arrive)


4/23
This means that the tasks in Sao Paulo will have to take until after noon at the very least and that with a 12 hour pitstop it will be after midnight when teams are released.

4/24
There are numerous 2 1/4 hour nonstop flights from Sao Paulo to Salvador. However, choices are limited to the first 2 daily by virtue of the sighting of teams descending the exterior of the elevator just after 9am on 4/24. Those who were sighted could only be on this flight:

G3 1816 GRU SSA 0410 0625

Later teams could be on G31982 GRU SSA 0735 0950, but they will be quite a bit later to the elevator.



What about the teams spotted at Chicago OHare is that ORD??
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« Reply #48 on: May 02, 2008, 11:59:42 PM »
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What about the teams spotted at Chicago OHare is that ORD??
Yup.  :tup:
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Oh, still wondering about the world's busiest airport, O'Hare International, and its ORD code? Well once upon a time, before the editor and publisher of the Chicago Tribune, Colonel Robert McCormick suggested a name change as tribute to pilot Lt. Cmdr. Edward "Butch" O'Hare, United States Navy, there was an airstrip well to the northwest of Chicago with a quaint, peaceful name—Orchard Field.
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Reference pages like this are always a help; or you can just google the airport name and "iata" and get a decent result.

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« Reply #49 on: May 03, 2008, 03:24:11 AM »
thanks so much!
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