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TAR12 timeline speculation
« on: October 19, 2007, 01:01:06 PM »
Changes resulting from episode 3 have been incorporated into this latest Timeline:

1. 8th LAX to DUB  EI144 1630 to 1030(July 9), July 9th DUB to SNN EI133 1145 to 1230 or EI125 1300 to 1345 OR BA278 LAX to LHR 1535 0945(July 9)  EI375 1050 1210

2. 11 SNN to DUB EI132 0700 0745, conecting with either EI604 DUB AMS 0940 1215 or EI606 DUB AMS 1120 1355
OR SNN LHR EI372 0845 1005 connecting with BA434 LHR AMS 1135 1350

3. 13 AMS to CDG many  Air France choices:  8227 0645 0805; 8223 0725 0850; 8229 0800 0930; 1141 0850 1005; 1241 0930 1045; 8233 1210 1330; 1641 1340 1455
CDG to OUA (Ouagadougou, Burkina Faso) AF732  1100 to 1635
14 OUA to Bingo by rail; tasks and pitstop

4. 14 or 15 Bingo to OUA by road.
either fly OUA ABJ 2J 322 0800 0930 or VU815  1440 1610
or fly OUA BKO 2J 338 1345 1505
or something within Burkina Faso
for all options, end in TBC since it didn't happen for leg 3

15 OUA to CDG AF731  2130 0610 +1

5. 16 CDG to FLR AF5038 0720 0915 or one of 5 later flights CDG FLR
 

6. 18 REST DAY
There is newly revived thinking that says that the arrival must be on July 19. If so, then here are 3 different ways to get teams there:

18 FLR MXP AZ1695 1725 1815
MXP ZAG AZ544 2100 2230, with overnight in the Zagreb airport area, then
19 ZAG DVB OU660 0930 1025

19 FLR VIE OS536  0700 0930
VIE DBV OS721 1315 1425

19 FLR FRA LH4067  0655 0840
FRA ZAG  OU417  0930 1050
ZAG DBV OU662  1445 1540
This corresponds better with the sighted arrival of the several teams.


7. 20 DBV to VNO OU418 0700 0900 LH 3252 1100 1400  OR X3 418 0945 1145 BT224 1325 1630

8. 22 VNO to FRA TE420 1130 1300
FRA DEL LH760 1345 1225 +1
23 DEL JDH IC471 1310 1400  (Note: due to the tightness of this, I expect backup with a charter flight)
Jodhpur to Jaisalmer 3 hours minimum by road

9. 24 Jaisalmer to Jodhpur leave by noon for 3 hours minimum by road
IC472 JDH DEL 1825 1920
25 AI314 DEL KIX 2315 1235+1

10. Osaka tasks afternoon and evening of 25th
 
11. 26 KIX TPE EG211 1035 1220   or  CX565 1115 1310
Taipei 101 sighting early afternoon on Friday, then leg in Taipei with TBC to avoid having to go below 3 teams
 28 TPE to ANC CI11 0345 0630 (July 28 after crossing the International Date Line)
FINISH LINE on July 29 in either GIRDWOOD or ANCHORAGE in 21 Days

« Last Edit: November 22, 2007, 04:04:41 PM by puddin »


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Re: The Amazing Race 12 timeline speculation
« Reply #1 on: October 19, 2007, 01:24:09 PM »
I split your post apskips and I hope you don't mind but, I was just thinking  :umn:  that we need a separate thread to discuss the timeline.

(thanks to Slowhatch)
Littman:
*"The countries are very exotic," Littman says.
*"We're going to a couple of places that I don't even know where they are on the map. I've had to go look them up."
*The show will will do two fewer episodes and drop the noneliminations to create more excitement.
not confirmed:
**Filming start date was the last week in June in Los Angeles area. Cast and crews left via airplanes between aprox. July 2-3rd
**...originally filming was set to start in another start on July 7th
georgiapeach confirms:
I have been informed that TAR 12 completed filming on or before August 3 -- and yes, I trust this information 100%.

more thoughts on this later
« Last Edit: October 19, 2007, 01:27:23 PM by puddin »

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Re: The Amazing Race 12 Location Spoilers/Rumors
« Reply #2 on: October 19, 2007, 01:27:10 PM »
puddin and I were also trying to sort this out and coming up with much the same...

If we are only having 11 legs we have a problem--but mybe TPTB changed their minds? :lol:

A couple of comments:

I feel pretty comfortable in saying Belize was NOT a location: see here: http://forum.realityfanforum.com/index.php/topic,12521.msg234069.html#msg234069

And Frankfurt has just been identified as TARA 2 and not TAR12 ...

It is always possible that our starting tip re the dates is wrong--and they started a couple of days later, but I do NOT believe LA was the originating city.  But if we assume only one location (start city and first task city) prior to the LAX flight to Ireland, that may help the timeline.

Could Girdwood be the final city? Maybe....but it works so much better from what we know of the tasks there  if that is the next-to-last city.

I would still suspect one other location between BF and Dubrovnik, although I am hoping for NOT Europe and dsomewhere more exotic.

I agree with the need for 2 locations between Dubrovnik and Girdwood.

So now what?? More ideas? I vote for more legs! :lol3: :pull


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Re: The Amazing Race 12 timeline speculation
« Reply #3 on: October 19, 2007, 01:33:34 PM »
peach and I were going over this last night and came up with a scenario~

For the timeline to work out, I think my source was guessing here and with good reason that I can't reveal. Anyway we're leaning towards the 7th/8th as the start per Wamgirl
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To add some more details to my TAR spotting in July...We were in the international terminal in LAX on July 8, 2007, at 2 pm PST. I have no idea what airline they were flying or when, but I assume they had awhile, because they weren't flying out of one of the immediate gates around us, and they were wandering around other areas looking for guidebooks and people who would trade euros with them. They did spend a lot of time across the way with a college kid who had a laptop and they were looking things up on it. I was just out of earshot though, so couldn't overhear anything. That's all I have...sorry

per puddin   ;D
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not confirmed:
**Filming start date was the last week in June in Los Angeles area. Cast and crews left via airplanes between aprox. July 2-3rd
**...originally filming was set to start in another start on July 7th
 
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Re: TAR12 timeline speculation
« Reply #4 on: October 19, 2007, 02:25:45 PM »
I still think there is one more city before LAX with a departure date July 3-5...but that's pure speculation.

But after exhaustive work, I can tell you that kogs, Slowhatch and I have found NO evidence that the teams were ever in LA itself--so I still think they were coming from another location and transiting LAX only.

And so far I can also pretty much say that the teams did not use Houston, Dallas, Atlanta, Baltimore,  or Boston airports either.

The "other" start may have been a smokescreen and that may have been for Boston. There was a huge surge of spoiler info for Boston in early July with some reservations/car arrangements actually made and cancelled. There is however,  absolutely NO permit evidence for Boston or the highways around the airport. I think this was purely a smokescreen for the actual start city.


While I have not ruled out O'Hare, Chicago itself has also been ruled out.

Note again that (for example) Boston refers ONLY to Boston proper, and does not rule other outlying towns--and the same for all the other locations mentioned.
« Last Edit: October 19, 2007, 02:32:54 PM by georgiapeach »
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Re: TAR12 timeline speculation
« Reply #5 on: October 20, 2007, 09:20:34 AM »
I want to offer this updated approximate timeline of AR12 from what is known right now:

July 2 or 3 departure from U.S., maybe to someplace in Latin America, maybe direct to Belize City

July 5 in Belize City

July 6-7 somewhere in Latin America

July 8 in Los Angeles International Airport for flight to Ireland

July 10 fly Dublin to Amsterdam


July 13 fly CDG to Ouagadougou

July 14-18 UNKNOWN

July 18 to 20 Dubrovnik

July 20 don't know but suspect Vilnius, Lithuania

July 22 to 29 UNKNOWN

July 29 Girdwood, Alaska

August ? Final city in lower 48

Now, the most interesting thing about the above is that 9 places are already identified or their geography and rough time is bounded. If you believe public statements made by CBS, there will be 11 elimination points maximum if there are 13 teams starting AR12. What happens to the other time? do they take a week off before continuing to Alaksa? What do you think?

July 14 - 18 Unknown.  But could be taken up with a stop in Prague or Romania before going on to Dubrovnik.  (By the way a wonderful place to spend more than a few hours, in fact the entire coast of Croatia is a must see for you all one of these days.) 

The other big gap - July 22 to 29 - allows time for teams to proceed somewhere into Asia before continuing on to Alaska.

Agree that LAX is just a transition point between Mexico and Ireland.

There still is that possibility that all the teams were sent individually to some place in Mexico or Central America for the start city.  We have found no evidence yet of any filming at any US airport for a start.  This certainly would keep the peepers at bay and would add a new twist to the old tried and true TAR.

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Re: TAR12 timeline speculation
« Reply #6 on: October 21, 2007, 05:22:56 PM »
My latest timeline incorporating my speculations indicated in that thread:

July 3 U.S. to Lima or Iquitos OR U.S. to Belize City

July 5 Lima or Iquitos to Belize City OR Belize City to Lima Iquitos

July 8 Lima or Iquitos or Belize City to Los Angeles

July 8 Los Angeles to Dublin

July 10 Dublin to Amsterdam

July 13 Amsterdam to Paris-CDG to Ouagadougou

July 15 Ouagadougou to Dakar

July 17 Dakar to Dubrovnik(arriving July 18)

July 20 Dubrovnik to Odessa, Ukraine

July 22 Odessa, Ukraine to one of the following Russian cities: Rostov or Krasnodar/Sochi

July 24 Rostov or Krasnodar/Sochi  to Addis Ababa

July 26 Addis Ababa to Arusha, Tanzania

July 28 Arusha, Tanzania to Girdwood Alaska(arriving July 29)

August 1 Final U.S. City

Please note that this has an AR12 with 13 pistops like they traditionally have, not the 11 indicated by CBS (unless they have 15 teams starting).

LATER EDIT: I modified the Russian cities after I learned from intense map work that Baku is in Azeerbaijan, Sevastopol is in Ukraine(but would not be chosen over Odessa), and Sochi has a fabulous once-a-week nonstop flight to Dubai that fits the timetable. Sochi and Krasnodar are only 100 road miles apart, so it would be feasible to fly into Krasnodar and fly out of Sochi. The point is to use cities in southern European Russia.

This Timeline is based on my SPECULATION thread entry. All of the caveats that go with that about whether Mr. Van Vuure's resume is historical or referring to AR12 only also apply to this Timeline.
« Last Edit: October 22, 2007, 12:49:01 PM by apskip »

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Re: TAR12 timeline speculation
« Reply #7 on: October 21, 2007, 10:02:06 PM »
My latest timeline incorporating my speculations indicated in that thread:

July 3 U.S. to Lima or Iquitos OR U.S. to Belize City

July 5 Lima or Iquitos to Belize City OR Belize City to Lima Iquitos

July 8 Lima or Iquitos or Belize City to Los Angeles

July 8 Los Angeles to Dublin

July 10 Dublin to Amsterdam

July 13 Amsterdam to Paris-CDG to Ouagadougou

July 15 Ouagadougou to Dakar

July 17 Dakar to Dubrovnik(arriving July 18)

July 20 Dubrovnik to Odessa, Ukraine

July 22 Odessa, Ukraine to one of the following Russian cities: Sevastopol, Rostov, Baku

July 24 Sevastopol or Rostov or Baku to Addis Ababa

July 26 Addis Ababa to Arusha, Tanzania

July 28 Arusha, Tanzania to Girdwood Alaska(arriving July 29)

August 1 Final U.S. City

Please note that this has an AR12 with 13 pistops like they traditionally have, not the 11 indicated by CBS (unless they have 15 teams starting).


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Re: TAR12 timeline speculation
« Reply #8 on: October 22, 2007, 10:32:15 PM »
I am adding to the real (incomplete)  timeline, not the speculative one, this flight info from Dubrovnik to Vilnius:

OU418 departs Dubrovnik 0730 arrives Frankfurt 0925, connects with LH3252 departs Frankfurt 1100 arrives Vilnius 1400

or

x35441 departs Dubrovnik 0915 arrives Munich 1050, connects with BT224 departs Munich 1325 arrives Vilnius 1630

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Re: TAR12 timeline speculation
« Reply #9 on: October 24, 2007, 10:10:19 AM »
My latest flight info combined with timeline thinking:

1. 8th LAX to DUB  EI144 1630 to 1030(July 9), July 9th DUB to SNN EI133 1145 to 1230  OR EI125 1300 to 1345

2. 10 DUB to AMS EI602 0602 to 0845  OR  EI 610 1720 to 1955 (Note: if EI610 then the next leg is not possible as indicated)

3. 11 AMS to VNO (Vilnius, Lithuania) TE411 1010 to 1325

4. 13 VNO to CDG TE470 0735 to 0925 (note: if they miss this they will have to wait 24 hours for the next flight CDG to OUA)
CDG to OUA (Ouagadougou, Burkina Faso) AF730  1640 to 1940

5. 15 OUA to ?

6. 18 ? to DBV

7. 20 DBV to ?

8. 23 ? to ?

9. 25 ? to KIX (Osaka)

10. 27 KIX to TPE (Taipei) choice of EG211 1035 1220, CX565 1115 1319, BT2131 1310 1450, Ci157 1315 1505, NW69 2000 2155, EG217 2040 2225

11. 29 TPE to ANC CI12 1715 0905 (July 29 after crossing the International Date Line)

12. Aug. 1 ANC to Final City USA(note: may actually depart late evening of July 31)
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Re: TAR12 timeline speculation
« Reply #10 on: October 27, 2007, 03:22:27 AM »
July 14-18 UNKNOWN-ITALY
Italy,Lithuania,Ireland,Croatia,Netherlands have all been confirmed along with Japan and Burkina Faso, Taiwen, Alaska is the only country not confirmed

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Re: TAR12 timeline speculation
« Reply #11 on: October 27, 2007, 07:35:59 AM »
mushpants, you are wrong about Italy and Alaska. Italy has not been confirmed. Just because there is an icon of Florence on screencaps and it's proven lgistically feasible to get there and from there does not mean that Florence is in this Race. Also, Alaska is totally confirmed. See the relevant information provided by GeorgiaPeach way back in I believe the Spoiler thread. Newbies are expected to read all the AR12 threads from about July 1 so they have the same information base as the rest of us.

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Re: TAR12 timeline speculation
« Reply #12 on: October 27, 2007, 10:01:24 AM »
Mushpants  we all know that there is a lot to remember here!  :reading: One of the easiest and BEST ways to either catch up or to confirm something (I have to go there all the time too) is to read through puddin's spoiler summary located at the very front of the Amazing Race 12 Spoiler section--it has everything we all need!

And as Apskip said--Alaska is definitely confirmed--probably the best documented confirmation we have ever had....
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Re: TAR12 timeline speculation
« Reply #13 on: October 27, 2007, 12:58:27 PM »
July 14-18 UNKNOWN-ITALY
Italy,Lithuania,Ireland,Croatia,Netherlands have all been confirmed along with Japan and Burkina Faso, Taiwen, Alaska is the only country not confirmed
mushpants, we do not have a set of rules in this topic and have never needed one so please do not make me even go there. Things are fairly simple here and thats how we like it.
Our work here is not to babysit you and correct the incorrect information which you have stated wrongly in this thread among others.
In the future PLEASE read the threads before posting.
Apskips gives some good advice please abide by it. This is a good place to start.

thanks, puddin

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Re: TAR12 timeline speculation
« Reply #14 on: October 28, 2007, 04:59:48 PM »
My latest flight info combined with timeline thinking, after incorporation of the Amsterdam July 11 finding(see CHATEAU's analysis in Episode 1 thread plus mine in LOCATION SPOILERS/RUMORS):

1. 8th LAX to DUB  EI144 1630 to 1030(July 9), July 9th DUB to SNN EI133 1145 to 1230 or EI125 1300 to 1345 OR BA278 LAX to LHR 1535 0945(July 9)  EI375 1050 1210

2. 11 DUB to AMS EI602 0602 to 0845  OR  EI 610 1720 to 1955 (Note: if EI610 then the next leg is not possible as indicated)

3. 13 AMS to CDG AF1411
CDG to OUA (Ouagadougou, Burkina Faso) AF730  1640 to 1940

5. 15 OUA to Tripoli BU756 departs 7/15 1230am arrives 0600
TIP to CDG BU900 departs 0915 arrives 1230
CDG to FLR AF5002 departs 1320 arrives 1520

6. REST DAY around FLORENCE 7/17

6. 18 FLR to FRA LH5067 departs 0715 arrives 0855
FRA to DBV LH2468 departs 1210 arrives 1355
Note: there is one later nonstop FLR to FRA LH4059 1010 1140, but the connection goes FRA ZAG, then ZAG DBV and arrives DBV 1635


7. 20 DBV to VNO OU418 0700 0900 LH 3252 1100 1400  OR X3 418 0945 1145 BT224 1325 1630

8. 23 ? to ?

9. 25 ? to KIX (Osaka)

10. 27 KIX to TPE (Taipei) choice of EG211 1035 1220, CX565 1115 1319, BT2131 1310 1450, Ci157 1315 1505, NW69 2000 2155, EG217 2040 2225

11. 29 TPE to ANC CI12 1715 0905 (July 29 after crossing the International Date Line)

12. Aug. 1 ANC to Final City USA(note: may actually depart late evening of July 31), which is most likely to be Minneapolis, Portland OR, Boston, Washinton DC, Charlotte, Atlanta, Orlando, Detroit, or Houston
« Last Edit: October 28, 2007, 05:03:29 PM by apskip »

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Re: TAR12 timeline speculation
« Reply #15 on: October 28, 2007, 05:30:58 PM »
I have assurances from both Atlanta and Houston airports that no filming permits were issued there which meet our time frame.

And previous assurances from Boston Police that no road permits were issued, FWIW....
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Re: TAR12 timeline speculation
« Reply #16 on: October 28, 2007, 05:46:41 PM »
I call the start line as End City but thats just me and this is the speculation thread.

Nice job apskips!   :yess:

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Re: TAR12 timeline speculation
« Reply #17 on: November 01, 2007, 07:02:32 PM »
1. 8th LAX to DUB  EI144 1630 to 1030(July 9), July 9th DUB to SNN EI133 1145 to 1230 or EI125 1300 to 1345 OR BA278 LAX to LHR 1535 0945(July 9)  EI375 1050 1210

2. 11 SNN to DUB EI132 0700 0745, conecting with either EI604 DUB AMS 0940 1215 or EI606 DUB AMS 1120 1355
OR SNN LHR EI372 0845 1005 connecting with BA434 LHR AMS 1135 1350

3. 13 AMS to CDG AF1411
CDG to OUA (Ouagadougou, Burkina Faso) AF730  1640 to 1940

5. 15 OUA to UNKNOWN AFRICAN PLACE



6. 17 UNKNOWN AFRICAN PLACE TO Frankfurt(probably)
18 FRA to DBV LH2468 departs 1210 arrives 1355
Note: there is one later nonstop FLR to FRA LH4059 1010 1140, but the connection goes FRA ZAG, then ZAG DBV and arrives DBV 1635


7. 20 DBV to VNO OU418 0700 0900 LH 3252 1100 1400  OR X3 418 0945 1145 BT224 1325 1630

8. 22 VNO to ?

9. 24 ? to KIX (Osaka)

10. 26 KIX to TPE (Taipei) choice of EG211 1035 1220, CX565 1115 1319, BT2131 1310 1450, Ci157 1315 1505, NW69 2000 2155, EG217 2040 2225

11. 28 TPE to ANC CI11 0345 0630 (July 28 after crossing the International Date Line)
FINISH LINE on July 29 in either GIRDWOOD or ANCHORAGE

 EDITOR's NOTE: Leg 2 on July 11 has been modified to use the routing SNN to AMS rather than DUB AMS. Also, a REST DAY on July 23 has been taken out and the departure dates for legs 8, 9, 10 and 11 moved up 1 day accordingly.
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Re: TAR12 timeline speculation
« Reply #18 on: November 02, 2007, 09:03:38 PM »
1. 8th LAX to DUB  EI144 1630 to 1030(July 9), July 9th DUB to SNN EI133 1145 to 1230 or EI125 1300 to 1345 OR BA278 LAX to LHR 1535 0945(July 9)  EI375 1050 1210

2. 11 SNN to DUB EI132 0700 0745, conecting with either EI604 DUB AMS 0940 1215 or EI606 DUB AMS 1120 1355
OR SNN LHR EI372 0845 1005 connecting with BA434 LHR AMS 1135 1350

3. 13 AMS to CDG AF1411
CDG to OUA (Ouagadougou, Burkina Faso) AF730  1640 to 1940

5. 15 OUA to UNKOWN AFRICAN PLACE



6. UNKNOWN AFRICAN PLACE TO Frankfurt(probably)
FRA to DBV LH2468 departs 1210 arrives 1355
Note: there is one later nonstop FLR to FRA LH4059 1010 1140, but the connection goes FRA ZAG, then ZAG DBV and arrives DBV 1635


7. 20 DBV to VNO OU418 0700 0900 LH 3252 1100 1400  OR X3 418 0945 1145 BT224 1325 1630

8. 22 VNO to ?

9. 24 ? to KIX (Osaka)

10. 26 KIX to TPE (Taipei) choice of EG211 1035 1220, CX565 1115 1319, BT2131 1310 1450, Ci157 1315 1505, NW69 2000 2155, EG217 2040 2225

11. 28 TPE to ANC CI11 0345 0630 (July 28 after crossing the International Date Line)
FINISH LINE on July 29 in either GIRDWOOD or ANCHORAGE

 EDITOR's NOTE: Leg 2 on July 11 has been modified to use the routing SNN to AMS rather than DUB AMS. Also, a REST DAY on July 23 has been taken out and the departure dates for legs 8, 9, 10 and 11 moved up 1 day accordingly.

OH BOY! Look At THIS ONE!

AOL article: http://television.aol.com/feature/amazing-race-12-preview

"After 12 seasons, you don't want the contestants to go into the race thinking, 'I know what's next,'" said co-executive producer Elise Doganieri. The show will crisscross the world, from Holland to India to Croatia, and head to a few off-the-beaten-track towns that will send viewers grabbing for their globes.


 

Try that on for size apskips  ;D , how does that fit?   :o

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Re: TAR12 timeline speculation
« Reply #19 on: November 02, 2007, 09:18:37 PM »
BVM said in an interview that the teams visited every continent except Antarctica.  That means the teams may travel to South America (further than Mexico or Belize which are still in North America) after Anchorage and then back up to a final US location for the final mat.


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Re: TAR12 timeline speculation
« Reply #20 on: November 02, 2007, 10:32:01 PM »
GMAN, AR12 could go on a senseless rush down to South America and then across to Australia just to turn a 4 continent race into 6 continents. But who in the audience would care anyway? So why bother? BVM is a Dutchman and they are known for being sensible people. He did not extend the race for 7 days just to add in South America and Australia.

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Re: TAR12 timeline speculation
« Reply #21 on: November 02, 2007, 10:41:30 PM »
G-MAN--the article says MOST not ALL continents....

and this whole 50,000/28 days vs 30,000/21 days is just poor CBS information. They had one thing on the CBS site and one on the first promo so some web monkey just doesn't know what is up.

We have our route now IMO (at least the broad overview) except for the final city--we just have to narrow it down a little more--adjust the order--and play with the timeline--and look! we're all done!   :lol3:  :colealert:
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Re: TAR12 timeline speculation
« Reply #22 on: November 05, 2007, 06:13:02 AM »
With the confirmation from PHIL of 11 legs, there are manay things that are now clear or for which the choices are limited:

1. There will be 8 elimination points, 1 FINISH LINE, and 2 TBCs as predicted. My fearless predicting goes on to guess that the TBCs will come between Burkina Faso and the second African country (Niger in my opinion) and between Taipei and Alaska.

2. The hints about inclusion of FLORENCE are getting too big to ignore. I'm going to find a way to put it back in.

3. Osaka has been shaky, but when I reanalyzed the numbers, it had to stay in to reach 11 legs.

4. Other than that and the exact locations of the Africa country(which I believe to be  Niger and its capital Niamey) and the Indian place (which could be Jaisalmer; I'm going to put it in that way and see how it fits), this TIMELINE is ready for primetime:
 

1. 8th LAX to DUB  EI144 1630 to 1030(July 9), July 9th DUB to SNN EI133 1145 to 1230 or EI125 1300 to 1345 OR BA278 LAX to LHR 1535 0945(July 9)  EI375 1050 1210

2. 11 SNN to DUB EI132 0700 0745, conecting with either EI604 DUB AMS 0940 1215 or EI606 DUB AMS 1120 1355
OR SNN LHR EI372 0845 1005 connecting with BA434 LHR AMS 1135 1350

3. 13 AMS to CDG many  Air France choices:  8227 0645 0805; 8223 0725 0850; 8229 0800 0930; 1141 0850 1005; 1241 0930 1045; 8233 1210 1330; 1641 1340 1455
CDG to OUA (Ouagadougou, Burkina Faso) AF732  1640 to 1940 Note: it is possible that teams actually took AF732 that day instead, 1100 to 1635
14 OUA to Bingo by rail; tasks and pitstop

4. 14 or 15 Bingo to OUA by road.
either fly OUA ABJ 2J 322 0800 0930 or VU815  1440 1610
or fly OUA BKO 2J 338 1345 1505
or something within Burkina Faso
for all options, end in TBC since it didn't happen for leg 3

16 late flights from OUA or ABJ or BKO to CDG

5. 17 CDG to FLR AF5038 0720 0915
 
6. 18 FLR to FRA LH4067 0715 0855
FRA to DBV LH2468 1210 1355
Note: there is one later nonstop FLR to FRA LH4059 1010 1140, but the connection goes FRA ZAG, then ZAG DBV and arrives DBV 1635

7. 20 DBV to VNO OU418 0700 0900 LH 3252 1100 1400  OR X3 418 0945 1145 BT224 1325 1630

8. 22 VNO to FRA TE420 1130 1300
FRA DEL LH760 1345 1225 +1
23 DEL JDH IC471 1310 1400  (Note: due to the tightness of this, I expect backup with a charter flight)
Jodhpur to Jaisalmer 3 hours minimum by road

9. 24 Jaisalmer to Jodhpur leave by noon for 3 hours minimum by road
IC472 JDH DEL 1825 1920
25 AI314 DEL KIX 2315 1235+1

10. Osaka tasks afternoon and evening of 25th
 
11. 26 KIX TPE EG211 1035 1220   or  CX565 1115 1310
Taipei 101 sighting early afternoon on Friday, then leg in Taipei with TBC to avoid having to go below 3 teams
 28 TPE to ANC CI11 0345 0630 (July 28 after crossing the International Date Line)
FINISH LINE on July 29 in either GIRDWOOD or ANCHORAGE in 21 Days

EDITOR'S NOTE: There have been new changes in Africa and Florence. Examine them.
« Last Edit: November 18, 2007, 09:24:49 PM by apskip »

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Re: TAR12 timeline speculation
« Reply #23 on: November 13, 2007, 07:39:18 AM »
Teams finished up in Amsterdam way ahead of what I expeected to be the schedule. With the pitstop reached late afternoon for most teams, the release from the Amsterdam pitstop will be before 6am July 12 for most teams unless there is an extended 36 hours pitstop. The question now is could World Race Productions have fit in Vilnius or Florence before the late afternoon July 13 flight to Ouagadougou from Paris-CDG that we know teams were on? Let's examine those possibilities:

July 12 AMS CPH SK550  0705 0830
CPH VNO BT162  0935 1205

July 13 VNO CDG  0805 0955

This shows Vilnius is technically feasible but there would be only 8 hours to get in from the airport, do all tasks, get back to the airport, and have checkin and slack time at the airport. I conclude that this did not happen.

July 12 AMS FLR KL3134  1010 1155  or  IG3422 1020 1210

July 13 FLR CDG AF5039  1015 1210   or  AF5041 1305 1500

To me this looks feasible and could have happened. Since we know that Episode 3 is about Africa, it appears that it didn't and the 36 hour extended pitstop did.

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Re: TAR12 timeline speculation
« Reply #24 on: November 14, 2007, 09:18:53 AM »
I think it must have been a 36 hour pit stop, to allow those that did the roadblock to clean up


 

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